SOS wrote:
Wow I almost feel bad for Christie (almost that is!)


After a hit by the Donald, Chris Christie has become a mob of one | Mulshine

So soon after celebrating Donald J. Trump?s election Tuesday as the capo di tutti capi of America, Chris Christie soon learned that he was unceremoniously dispatched as head of the Trump transition team.

By Paul Mulshine | The Star Ledger
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on November 15, 2016 at 6:31 AM, updated November 15, 2016 at 3:51 PM


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JCMan8 wrote:
Dolomiti, you are out of your mind.

I'm out of my mind, because I actually know facts about changes in NYC's and national crime rates? How fascinating.


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I remember NYC before Giuliani became mayor. It was a violent shithole. Degeneracy everywhere.

Uh, no. Not even close.

Again, you are hardly the only person on Earth who lived in the NYC area at the time. There were numerous rough areas that have improved significantly, like Times Square and the Lower East Side. There were also plenty of perfectly safe and upscale neighborhoods. As is usually the case, most of the violent crime was concentrated in specific areas.

And of course, merely remembering NYC as being in bad shape does not refute a single thing I've said.


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He came in and really cleaned the city up.

Yet again, this is incorrect. His term as mayor only partially correlated with drops in crime; and yet again, crime had dropped 20% from its peak by the time he took office.

Sorry not sorry, but given a choice between uninformed vitriol and solid facts, I'll take facts. Every time.

JCMan8 wrote:
Dolomiti, you are out of your mind.

I remember NYC before Giuliani became mayor. It was a violent shithole. Degeneracy everywhere.

He came in and really cleaned the city up.

JCMan8 wrote:
Dolomiti, you are out of your mind. I remember NYC before Giuliani became mayor. It was a violent shithole. Degeneracy everywhere.

He came in and really cleaned the city up. So you can point to "the evidence," inevitably authored by liberals seeking to advance their agenda, but I'll stick with what actually happened.

JCMan8 wrote:
Dolomiti, you are out of your mind. I remember NYC before Giuliani became mayor. It was a violent shithole. Degeneracy everywhere.

He came in and really cleaned the city up. So you can point to "the evidence," inevitably authored by liberals seeking to advance their agenda, but I'll stick with what actually happened.

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135jc wrote:
Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

The Giuliani broken windows theory has pretty much been discredited by academics. It's controversial at best. But if you want, keep on believing.

I remember NYC in the eighties under Koch and then Dinkins. But you keep telling yourself that.

I also remember it. More importantly, the data is pretty clear.

Crime went up during Koch's term, and part of Dinkins' term. It peaked in 1990, and started to fall. It had dropped 20% from its peak by the time Giuliani took office (and even more by the time his policies were in effect).

Meanwhile and again, many cities and states did not adopt Broken Windows, yet there was a national drop in crime anyway.

And the NYPD's own analysis indicates that the data does not support the Broken Windows theory.

"OIG-NYPD's analysis has found no empirical evidence demonstrating a clear and direct link between an increase in summons and misdemeanor arrest activity and a related drop in felony crime. Between 2010 and 2015, quality-of-life enforcement rates -- and in particular, quality-of-life summons rates -- have dramatically declined, but there has been no commensurate increase in felony crime."

http://www1.nyc.gov/assets/oignypd/do ... Life-Report-2010-2015.pdf

But hey, who cares about pesky things like facts and evidence, right? Right.

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SOS wrote:
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135jc wrote:
Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

The Giuliani broken windows theory has pretty much been discredited by academics. It's controversial at best. But if you want, keep on believing.

I remember NYC in the eighties under Koch and then Dinkins. But you keep telling yourself that.

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135jc wrote:
Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

That is complete BS.

Crime rates started falling nationally in the early 90s; in NYC, that trend started before Giuliani took office, and kept going long afterwards. (That includes during the term of Bernie Kerik, who eventually got whacked with $221,000 in fines for ethics violations, and served 4 years in federal prisons on tax fraud and other charges.) Cities and states that did not utilize the same policies as NYC saw the same drops in crime rates.

He didn't exactly foster a great deal of racial harmony during his term. If anything, he played up racial tensions to inflame the city and bolster his "law and order" credentials.

He also had a lot of help fixing up Times Square. Those plans were in place, wait for it... long before he came into office, with some of the groundwork laid back in the Koch days, more during Dinkins. It was a City Council member who got the idea to purge areas of sex shops, and they just relocated to other areas (which later started to gentrify, of course). And of course, Giuliani hardly invented pressure on Manhattan real estate values.

Last but not least, almost everything he's said in the past 6 months has been bat-excrement insane. The idea that we're supposed to remember things he did over a decade ago, and forget the crazy things he's been saying all year long? How does that work?

I think the better way to put it is: I'm living in JC in spite of Giuliani, not because of him.

This post is a perfect example of how disconnected from reality liberals are.

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135jc wrote:
Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

The Giuliani broken windows theory has pretty much been discredited by academics. It's controversial at best. But if you want, keep on believing.

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135jc wrote:
Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

That is complete BS.

Crime rates started falling nationally in the early 90s; in NYC, that trend started before Giuliani took office, and kept going long afterwards. (That includes during the term of Bernie Kerik, who eventually got whacked with $221,000 in fines for ethics violations, and served 4 years in federal prisons on tax fraud and other charges.) Cities and states that did not utilize the same policies as NYC saw the same drops in crime rates.

He didn't exactly foster a great deal of racial harmony during his term. If anything, he played up racial tensions to inflame the city and bolster his "law and order" credentials.

He also had a lot of help fixing up Times Square. Those plans were in place, wait for it... long before he came into office, with some of the groundwork laid back in the Koch days, more during Dinkins. It was a City Council member who got the idea to purge areas of sex shops, and they just relocated to other areas (which later started to gentrify, of course). And of course, Giuliani hardly invented pressure on Manhattan real estate values.

Last but not least, almost everything he's said in the past 6 months has been bat-excrement insane. The idea that we're supposed to remember things he did over a decade ago, and forget the crazy things he's been saying all year long? How does that work?

I think the better way to put it is: I'm living in JC in spite of Giuliani, not because of him.

135jc wrote:
Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

135jc wrote:
Dolomiti, Don't forget Giuliani cleaned up NYC. It's probably the reason you live in Jersey City today.

Monroe wrote:
Pence has much better DC connections, and Christie will get an important job in the Cabinet, no worries.

In the meantime he can get a lot done in NJ....

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Monroe wrote:
Pence has much better DC connections, and Christie will get an important job in the Cabinet, no worries. In the meantime he can get a lot done in NJ, he's here for a good while. Even Prieto gave Whiney heat for the faux impeachment threat-which she did just to ride the anti-Trump sentiment from the butthurt Democrats.

Has Christie been booted from Trump's inner circle?

Trump is probably disgusted with him for throwing Bridget Kelly under the bus - subjected to a prison term for up to 20 years. She has four young children. Christie is one cold hearted, selfish mother F-er.

Monroe wrote:
Pence has much better DC connections, and Christie will get an important job in the Cabinet, no worries. In the meantime he can get a lot done in NJ, he's here for a good while. Even Prieto gave Whiney heat for the faux impeachment threat-which she did just to ride the anti-Trump sentiment from the butthurt Democrats.

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La_Verdad wrote:
He has expressed considerable interest in chief of staff and has called it a close second to AG.

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Chief of staff would be an odd position for Christie.

please, donald, take your fellow scumbag with you to dc.

La_Verdad wrote:
He has expressed considerable interest in chief of staff and has called it a close second to AG.

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bodhipooh wrote:

Chief of staff would be an odd position for Christie.

bodhipooh wrote:

Chief of staff would be an odd position for Christie.

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La_Verdad wrote:
It will be quite interesting to see if Christie is nominated to a post requiring Senate hearings. I don't see that going well for him, although I guess in the end the republicans can force the issue since they have the votes and it doesn't seem like something that would get filibustered given the sheer number of odious (to democrats) appointments that are likely to occur.

My money is on chief of staff for Christie and I'd like to volunteer to help him pack as soon as he's ready.

Chief of staff would be an odd position for Christie. He will likely be rewarded with a true cabinet position, either as AG at DoJ or DHS Secretary.

La_Verdad wrote:
It will be quite interesting to see if Christie is nominated to a post requiring Senate hearings. I don't see that going well for him, although I guess in the end the republicans can force the issue since they have the votes and it doesn't seem like something that would get filibustered given the sheer number of odious (to democrats) appointments that are likely to occur.

My money is on chief of staff for Christie and I'd like to volunteer to help him pack as soon as he's ready.