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and for the record, those 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants.

WHAT. Literally every single one of them was an immigrant. None of them were American born nor were they citizens.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. An overwhelming majority, 15 of the 19, were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks



I'm a very liberal guy, and it really hurts liberal causes in general when delusional people like you bend over backwards and lie to justify Islamic terrorism. Don't willfully ignore reality just to make themselves feel better, it just hurts your ability to muster support for other causes.

they were here on temporary tourist, business, and student visas. they did not immigrate to the U.S.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity- ... status-of-9-11-terrorists

Webster's definition of immigrant: "a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence."

the word you're looking for is "visitor."

There are plenty of people here in the US with immigrant status that wish to do harm to our citizens. Grow up and stop arguing over Symantec's.

there are plenty of people born and raised here that wish to do harm to our citizens.

see: Aurora Colorado, Sandy Hook, Columbine, South Carolina, Virginia Tech...

maybe we should outlaw them?

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I_heart_JC wrote:

and for the record, those 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants.

WHAT. Literally every single one of them was an immigrant. None of them were American born nor were they citizens.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. An overwhelming majority, 15 of the 19, were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks



I'm a very liberal guy, and it really hurts liberal causes in general when delusional people like you bend over backwards and lie to justify Islamic terrorism. Don't willfully ignore reality just to make themselves feel better, it just hurts your ability to muster support for other causes.

they were here on temporary tourist, business, and student visas. they did not immigrate to the U.S.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity- ... status-of-9-11-terrorists

Webster's definition of immigrant: "a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence."

the word you're looking for is "visitor."

I'm sure that's why you made your original post. You just wanted to remind people that the 9/11 hijackers weren't Muslim immigrants, they were merely "visitors."

You'd make a great newscaster.

you may not like the distinction, but it's an important one.

the Syrian immigrants who are going through the hassle of getting permanent resident status here are people who actually want to live here. the process can take up to two years.

the 9/11 hijackers - whose sole reason for coming here was to do us harm - took the easiest route with short-term visas.

the father of the Chelsea bomber built a business and a community here, and he reported his kid to the FBI when he thought that kid was a danger to fellow Americans. those are the actions of a dedicated immigrant, not a malevolent visitor. (yes, he had issues with his neighbors. just because he himself was not a threat, doesn't mean he can't be annoying.)

You are leaving out the most important fact. The Syrian "refugees" cannot be properly vetted, as our intelligence heads have repeatedly stated. The necessary paperwork doesn't exist, because their countries are torn up. Making it very easy for ISIS to sneak in plenty of their people, as they've been doing in Europe.

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and for the record, those 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants.

WHAT. Literally every single one of them was an immigrant. None of them were American born nor were they citizens.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. An overwhelming majority, 15 of the 19, were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks



I'm a very liberal guy, and it really hurts liberal causes in general when delusional people like you bend over backwards and lie to justify Islamic terrorism. Don't willfully ignore reality just to make themselves feel better, it just hurts your ability to muster support for other causes.

they were here on temporary tourist, business, and student visas. they did not immigrate to the U.S.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity- ... status-of-9-11-terrorists

Webster's definition of immigrant: "a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence."

the word you're looking for is "visitor."

I'm sure that's why you made your original post. You just wanted to remind people that the 9/11 hijackers weren't Muslim immigrants, they were merely "visitors."

You'd make a great newscaster.

you may not like the distinction, but it's an important one.

the Syrian immigrants who are going through the hassle of getting permanent resident status here are people who actually want to live here. the process can take up to two years.

the 9/11 hijackers - whose sole reason for coming here was to do us harm - took the easiest route with short-term visas.

the father of the Chelsea bomber built a business and a community here, and he reported his kid to the FBI when he thought that kid was a danger to fellow Americans. those are the actions of a dedicated immigrant, not a malevolent visitor. (yes, he had issues with his neighbors. just because he himself was not a threat, doesn't mean he can't be annoying.)

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and for the record, those 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants.

WHAT. Literally every single one of them was an immigrant. None of them were American born nor were they citizens.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. An overwhelming majority, 15 of the 19, were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks



I'm a very liberal guy, and it really hurts liberal causes in general when delusional people like you bend over backwards and lie to justify Islamic terrorism. Don't willfully ignore reality just to make themselves feel better, it just hurts your ability to muster support for other causes.

they were here on temporary tourist, business, and student visas. they did not immigrate to the U.S.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity- ... status-of-9-11-terrorists

Webster's definition of immigrant: "a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence."

the word you're looking for is "visitor."

There are plenty of people here in the US with immigrant status that wish to do harm to our citizens. Grow up and stop arguing over Symantec's.

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Trump is a very flawed presidential candidate. I will not deny that, but people are voting for him because they do not feel safe. How can you feel safe when liberals have an agenda of letting in more people who want to kill Americans? Trump's candidacy is due to the liberal agenda in this country including the shipping of jobs overseas. I remember when NAFTA was signed by Bill Clinton and good paying factory jobs went away. So yes, Trump is a flawed candidate but the idea of letting in 500,000 more immigrants is quite scary.

And yet just because people don't "feel safe" doesn't mean they actually in any significant danger.

If terrorism scares you, then using the same logic, you should never enter a car, since you have an exponentially higher chance in dying in an auto accident.

This guy planted a bomb right on the train tracks, along with NYC and Seaside Heights. If he wasn't a complete idiot, he could have killed a lot of people.

And there are others who are more intelligent who share the same goals. That doesn't scare you?

If I was in that exact location at the time the bomb explodes, of course it would be scary. But you've cherry picked a very specific circumstance to fit your argument.

Overall, if terrorism scares me, I should never leave the house. Statistically, I'm exponentially much more likely to die due to an accident.

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and for the record, those 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants.

WHAT. Literally every single one of them was an immigrant. None of them were American born nor were they citizens.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. An overwhelming majority, 15 of the 19, were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks



I'm a very liberal guy, and it really hurts liberal causes in general when delusional people like you bend over backwards and lie to justify Islamic terrorism. Don't willfully ignore reality just to make themselves feel better, it just hurts your ability to muster support for other causes.

they were here on temporary tourist, business, and student visas. they did not immigrate to the U.S.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity- ... status-of-9-11-terrorists

Webster's definition of immigrant: "a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence."

the word you're looking for is "visitor."

I'm sure that's why you made your original post. You just wanted to remind people that the 9/11 hijackers weren't Muslim immigrants, they were merely "visitors."

You'd make a great newscaster.

I_heart_JC wrote:
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CatDog wrote:
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I_heart_JC wrote:

and for the record, those 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants.

WHAT. Literally every single one of them was an immigrant. None of them were American born nor were they citizens.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. An overwhelming majority, 15 of the 19, were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks



I'm a very liberal guy, and it really hurts liberal causes in general when delusional people like you bend over backwards and lie to justify Islamic terrorism. Don't willfully ignore reality just to make themselves feel better, it just hurts your ability to muster support for other causes.

they were here on temporary tourist, business, and student visas. they did not immigrate to the U.S.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity- ... status-of-9-11-terrorists

Webster's definition of immigrant: "a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence."

the word you're looking for is "visitor."

I_heart_JC wrote:
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CatDog wrote:
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I_heart_JC wrote:

and for the record, those 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants.

WHAT. Literally every single one of them was an immigrant. None of them were American born nor were they citizens.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. An overwhelming majority, 15 of the 19, were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks



I'm a very liberal guy, and it really hurts liberal causes in general when delusional people like you bend over backwards and lie to justify Islamic terrorism. Don't willfully ignore reality just to make themselves feel better, it just hurts your ability to muster support for other causes.

they were here on temporary tourist, business, and student visas. they did not immigrate to the U.S.

http://www.fairus.org/issue/identity- ... status-of-9-11-terrorists

Webster's definition of immigrant: "a person who comes to a country to take up permanent residence."

the word you're looking for is "visitor."

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I_heart_JC wrote:

and for the record, those 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants.

WHAT. Literally every single one of them was an immigrant. None of them were American born nor were they citizens.

The hijackers in the September 11 attacks were 19 men affiliated with al-Qaeda. An overwhelming majority, 15 of the 19, were citizens of Saudi Arabia.[1] The others were from the United Arab Emirates (2), Egypt and Lebanon.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijackers_in_the_September_11_attacks



I'm a very liberal guy, and it really hurts liberal causes in general when delusional people like you bend over backwards and lie to justify Islamic terrorism. Don't willfully ignore reality just to make themselves feel better, it just hurts your ability to muster support for other causes.

I_heart_JC wrote:

and for the record, those 9/11 hijackers were not immigrants.

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Trump is a very flawed presidential candidate. I will not deny that, but people are voting for him because they do not feel safe. How can you feel safe when liberals have an agenda of letting in more people who want to kill Americans? Trump's candidacy is due to the liberal agenda in this country including the shipping of jobs overseas. I remember when NAFTA was signed by Bill Clinton and good paying factory jobs went away. So yes, Trump is a flawed candidate but the idea of letting in 500,000 more immigrants is quite scary.

And yet just because people don't "feel safe" doesn't mean they actually in any significant danger.

If terrorism scares you, then using the same logic, you should never enter a car, since you have an exponentially higher chance in dying in an auto accident.

This guy planted a bomb right on the train tracks, along with NYC and Seaside Heights. If he wasn't a complete idiot, he could have killed a lot of people.

And there are others who are more intelligent who share the same goals. That doesn't scare you?

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Two years before Ahmad Khan Rahami went on a bombing rampage in New York and New Jersey, his father told the police that the son was a terrorist, prompting a review by federal agents, according to two senior law enforcement officials.

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Is this post an admission that we need to allow authorities more power to hold and monitor these criminals?

Read the article. The feds looked at him and determined he wasn't a threat. They weren't asking to hold him and they chose not to monitor him.

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Two years before Ahmad Khan Rahami went on a bombing rampage in New York and New Jersey, his father told the police that the son was a terrorist, prompting a review by federal agents, according to two senior law enforcement officials.

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Is this post an admission that we need to allow authorities more power to hold and monitor these criminals?

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Two years before Ahmad Khan Rahami went on a bombing rampage in New York and New Jersey, his father told the police that the son was a terrorist, prompting a review by federal agents, according to two senior law enforcement officials.

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I'm sure this woman would advocate the same restrained reaction if the bomb was set off by a white supremacist, who also planted bombs on train tracks and in Seaside Heights.

How perfect that the first response to the post titled "Don't feed the trolls" comes from the biggest troll on the site.

Try shooting the messenger because you can't dispute the message.

The go-to play in the "progressive" playbook. But people have caught on, and you guys very well may be booted out of office.

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I'm sure this woman would advocate the same restrained reaction if the bomb was set off by a white supremacist, who also planted bombs on train tracks and in Seaside Heights.

How perfect that the first response to the post titled "Don't feed the trolls" comes from the biggest troll on the site.

JCMan never fails to follow the script.

but I'll feed him this time: since American women have an exponentially greater chance of getting killed by a white man than by a foreign terrorist, and nobody appears to be freaking out about THAT, I'd wager that yes, the same restrained reaction is in order.

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I'm sure this woman would advocate the same restrained reaction if the bomb was set off by a white supremacist, who also planted bombs on train tracks and in Seaside Heights.

How perfect that the first response to the post titled "Don't feed the trolls" comes from the biggest troll on the site.

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JCMan8 wrote:

I'm sure this woman would advocate the same restrained reaction if the bomb was set off by a white supremacist, who also planted bombs on train tracks and in Seaside Heights.

How perfect that the first response to the post titled "Don't feed the trolls" comes from the biggest troll on the site.

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I'm sure this woman would advocate the same restrained reaction if the bomb was set off by a white supremacist, who also planted bombs on train tracks and in Seaside Heights.

stc4blues wrote: From a woman who lives in Chelsea, don't feed the trolls:

I live in Manhattan, in Chelsea, on 27th Street between 6th and 7th, the same block in which the second IED was found. It was a surreal weekend, but it is increasingly becoming depressing as the media moves from providing information to stoking fear, the exact response that makes these events so effective. I?m not afraid of bombs. I?m afraid of cars. And I?m increasingly becoming afraid of American media. After hearing the bomb go off on 23rd and getting flooded with texts on Saturday night, I decided to send a few notes that I was OK and turn off my phone. My partner is Israeli. We?ve been there for two wars and he?s been there through countless bombs. We both knew that getting riled up was of no help to anyone. So we went to sleep. I woke up on Sunday, opened my blinds, and was surprised to see an obscene number of men in black with identical body types, identical haircuts, and identical cars. It looked like the weirdest casting call I?ve ever seen. And no one else. No cars, no people. As always, Twitter had an explanation so we settled into our PJs and realized it was going to be a strange day. [...] The worst part about having statistical training is that it?s hard to hear people get anxious about fears without putting them into perspective. ~100 people die every day in car crashes in the United States. That?s 33,804 deaths in a year. Thousands of people are injured every day by cars. Cars terrify me. And anyone who says that you have control over a car accident is full of shit; most car deaths and injuries are not the harmed person?s fault. [...] There?s a reason that hate is growing in this country. And, in moments like this, I?m painfully reminded that we?re all contributing to the culture of hate. When we turn events like what happened this weekend in NY/NJ into spectacle, when we encourage media to write stories about how afraid people are, when we read the stories of how the suspect was an average person until something changed, we give the news media license to stoke up fear. And when they are encouraged to stoke fear, they help turn our election cycle into reality TV and enable candidates to spew hate for public entertainment. We need to stop blaming what?s happening on other people and start taking responsibility. In short, we all need to stop feeding the trolls.

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A Houston man is set appear before a federal magistrate Monday afternoon on charges he participated in a bomb plot, trying to transport deadly explosives, according to a news release from U.S. Attorney Kenneth Magidson.
Cary Lee Ogborn, 50, was arrested late Friday after retrieving a package he thought contained explosives powerful enough to maim or kill people or destroy buildings.

And the beat goes on...

Great job DOJ... wish they could arrest some of these Muslim terrorists before they detonate their bombs.

user1111 wrote:
A Houston man is set appear before a federal magistrate Monday afternoon on charges he participated in a bomb plot, trying to transport deadly explosives, according to a news release from U.S. Attorney Kenneth Magidson.
Cary Lee Ogborn, 50, was arrested late Friday after retrieving a package he thought contained explosives powerful enough to maim or kill people or destroy buildings.

And the beat goes on...