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UPDATE: My daughter and I were in Target last night. She used the bathroom and wasn't raped. Just thought I'd provide a measure, albeit small, of actual real life experience into the conversation.

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[ they do not belong. It is an invite to sexual predators who far outnumber any transgender person.

Fine Yvonne, for the umpteenth time, HOW DO YOU plan on enforcing this? DNA testing at the door of every restroom? Someone to check drivers' licenses? HOW?

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[ they do not belong. It is an invite to sexual predators who far outnumber any transgender person.

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
A tip for you Yvonne:

It's impossible the micro-manage every aspect of the human condition

I agree, that is why I and other people do not want men in places they do not belong. It is an invite to sexual predators who far outnumber any transgender person.

Fine Yvonne, for the umpteenth time, HOW DO YOU plan on enforcing this? DNA testing at the door of every restroom? Someone to check drivers' licenses? HOW?

fat-ass-bike wrote:
A tip for you Yvonne:

It's impossible the micro-manage every aspect of the human condition

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A tip for you Yvonne:

It's impossible the micro-manage every aspect of the human condition

I agree, that is why I and other people do not want men in places they do not belong. It is an invite to sexual predators who far outnumber any transgender person.

fat-ass-bike wrote:
how do you explain this image ?

fat-ass-bike wrote:
A tip for you Yvonne:

It's impossible the micro-manage every aspect of the human condition

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Yvonne wrote:
Woman chases man filming her at Target. She turns the table.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpljREw58g0

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It has nothing to do with transgenders in restroom but hopefully ...

Yvonne you need to start a hobby ... what about knitting?

Yvonne wrote:
Woman chases man filming her at Target. She turns the table.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpljREw58g0

Yvonne wrote:
Here is another opinion from a civil right activist, radryan03.
http://www.charlotteobserver.com/opin ... p-ed/article78706432.html

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Radryan03, for someone purporting to speak about facts, you simply made a post filled with ad hominem attacks against Johns Hopkins' head of psychiatry.

I realize that feels over reals is the predominant ideology among "progressives," where you avoid discussing truths that make you uncomfortable, and pretend they don't exist, but please try refuting the facts Mr. McHugh has provided:

The transgendered suffer a disorder of "assumption" like those in other disorders familiar to psychiatrists. With the transgendered, the disordered assumption is that the individual differs from what seems given in nature?namely one's maleness or femaleness. Other kinds of disordered assumptions are held by those who suffer from anorexia and bulimia nervosa, where the assumption that departs from physical reality is the belief by the dangerously thin that they are overweight.

With body dysmorphic disorder, an often socially crippling condition, the individual is consumed by the assumption "I'm ugly." These disorders occur in subjects who have come to believe that some of their psycho-social conflicts or problems will be resolved if they can change the way that they appear to others. Such ideas work like ruling passions in their subjects' minds and tend to be accompanied by a solipsistic argument.

For the transgendered, this argument holds that one's feeling of "gender" is a conscious, subjective sense that, being in one's mind, cannot be questioned by others. The individual often seeks not just society's tolerance of this "personal truth" but affirmation of it. Here rests the support for "transgender equality," the demands for government payment for medical and surgical treatments, and for access to all sex-based public roles and privileges.

With this argument, advocates for the transgendered have persuaded several states?including California, New Jersey and Massachusetts?to pass laws barring psychiatrists, even with parental permission, from striving to restore natural gender feelings to a transgender minor. That government can intrude into parents' rights to seek help in guiding their children indicates how powerful these advocates have become.

How to respond? Psychiatrists obviously must challenge the solipsistic concept that what is in the mind cannot be questioned. Disorders of consciousness, after all, represent psychiatry's domain; declaring them off-limits would eliminate the field. Many will recall how, in the 1990s, an accusation of parental sex abuse of children was deemed unquestionable by the solipsists of the "recovered memory" craze.

You won't hear it from those championing transgender equality, but controlled and follow-up studies reveal fundamental problems with this movement. When children who reported transgender feelings were tracked without medical or surgical treatment at both Vanderbilt University and London's Portman Clinic, 70%-80% of them spontaneously lost those feelings. Some 25% did have persisting feelings; what differentiates those individuals remains to be discerned.

We at Johns Hopkins University?which in the 1960s was the first American medical center to venture into "sex-reassignment surgery"?launched a study in the 1970s comparing the outcomes of transgendered people who had the surgery with the outcomes of those who did not. Most of the surgically treated patients described themselves as "satisfied" by the results, but their subsequent psycho-social adjustments were no better than those who didn't have the surgery. And so at Hopkins we stopped doing sex-reassignment surgery, since producing a "satisfied" but still troubled patient seemed an inadequate reason for surgically amputating normal organs.

It now appears that our long-ago decision was a wise one. A 2011 study at the Karolinska Institute in Sweden produced the most illuminating results yet regarding the transgendered, evidence that should give advocates pause. The long-term study?up to 30 years?followed 324 people who had sex-reassignment surgery. The study revealed that beginning about 10 years after having the surgery, the transgendered began to experience increasing mental difficulties. Most shockingly, their suicide mortality rose almost 20-fold above the comparable nontransgender population. This disturbing result has as yet no explanation but probably reflects the growing sense of isolation reported by the aging transgendered after surgery. The high suicide rate certainly challenges the surgery prescription.

http://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchu ... t-the-solution-1402615120

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Ok - lets get our facts right:

Medical science is not ignoring these people... there are still plenty of very reputable hospitals that provide the knowledge (psychological services) and care that a transgendered individual needs. I know you keep siting Hopkins... but that view comes from their head of psychiatry (Paul McHugh) and not medical staff or doctors. Paul's findings are biased by his personal beliefs - he seeks to justify bias with medicine (messed up in my book).

Things you should know about Paul:
-Paul McHugh is a practicing Catholic.[2] According to a 2002 New York Times article, he is a Democrat "who describes himself as religiously orthodox, politically liberal and culturally conservative -- a believer in marriage and the Marines, a supporter of institutions and family values.
- Throughout the decade of the 1990s, McHugh was active in debunking the idea of recovered memory?that is, the idea that people could suddenly and spontaneously remember childhood sexual abuse
- In 2002, McHugh was appointed to a lay panel assembled by the Roman Catholic Church to look into sexual abuse by priests.

I know this doesnt change your view - but at least others can be informed about this strange fact you keep throwing around like its the bible.

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The truth you speak of is so far off the topic of conversation.

The fact that people like you exist makes me uncomfortable.

You choose to ignore the fact that any man now has the ability to walk into a woman's restroom including sexual predators. This is a win for them. Just because a person feels he/she belongs to the opposite sex does not justify changing laws. There are a small group of people who are uncomfortable with their body limbs and have asked doctors to ambulate the limbs. Luckily, medical science is ignoring these people for now.

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How about you worry about yourself?

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Regardless of the reason, even people with body dysmorphia have to pee. Just close the damn stall door and mind your own business. Women and children .. and men... are assualted every day. No one has to dress up to get access to victims.

Yes, everyone has to pee but this does open the door to sexual predators, something many here do not acknowledge. I just read something recently from an adult woman who was sexually assaulted in the women's locker room as a child by her male coach during swim practice.

what does that have to do with transgenders or bathroom laws? Absolutely nothing.

It has nothing to do with transgenders in restroom but hopefully, it might prevent someone here destroying their bodies and regretting it later.

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Regardless of the reason, even people with body dysmorphia have to pee. Just close the damn stall door and mind your own business. Women and children .. and men... are assualted every day. No one has to dress up to get access to victims.

Yes, everyone has to pee but this does open the door to sexual predators, something many here do not acknowledge. I just read something recently from an adult woman who was sexually assaulted in the women's locker room as a child by her male coach during swim practice.

what does that have to do with transgenders or bathroom laws? Absolutely nothing.

It has nothing to do with transgenders in restroom but hopefully, it might prevent someone here destroying their bodies and regretting it later.

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K-Lo wrote:
Regardless of the reason, even people with body dysmorphia have to pee. Just close the damn stall door and mind your own business. Women and children .. and men... are assualted every day. No one has to dress up to get access to victims.

Yes, everyone has to pee but this does open the door to sexual predators, something many here do not acknowledge. I just read something recently from an adult woman who was sexually assaulted in the women's locker room as a child by her male coach during swim practice.

what does that have to do with transgenders or bathroom laws? Absolutely nothing.

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K-Lo wrote:
Regardless of the reason, even people with body dysmorphia have to pee. Just close the damn stall door and mind your own business. Women and children .. and men... are assualted every day. No one has to dress up to get access to victims.

Yes, everyone has to pee but this does open the door to sexual predators, something many here do not acknowledge. I just read something recently from an adult woman who was sexually assaulted in the women's locker room as a child by her male coach during swim practice.

radryan03 wrote:
Ok - lets get our facts right:

Medical science is not ignoring these people... there are still plenty of very reputable hospitals that provide the knowledge (psychological services) and care that a transgendered individual needs. I know you keep siting Hopkins... but that view comes from their head of psychiatry (Paul McHugh) and not medical staff or doctors. Paul's findings are biased by his personal beliefs - he seeks to justify bias with medicine (messed up in my book).

Things you should know about Paul:
-Paul McHugh is a practicing Catholic.[2] According to a 2002 New York Times article, he is a Democrat "who describes himself as religiously orthodox, politically liberal and culturally conservative -- a believer in marriage and the Marines, a supporter of institutions and family values.
- Throughout the decade of the 1990s, McHugh was active in debunking the idea of recovered memory?that is, the idea that people could suddenly and spontaneously remember childhood sexual abuse
- In 2002, McHugh was appointed to a lay panel assembled by the Roman Catholic Church to look into sexual abuse by priests.

I know this doesnt change your view - but at least others can be informed about this strange fact you keep throwing around like its the bible.

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Nori wrote:
The truth you speak of is so far off the topic of conversation.

The fact that people like you exist makes me uncomfortable.

You choose to ignore the fact that any man now has the ability to walk into a woman's restroom including sexual predators. This is a win for them. Just because a person feels he/she belongs to the opposite sex does not justify changing laws. There are a small group of people who are uncomfortable with their body limbs and have asked doctors to ambulate the limbs. Luckily, medical science is ignoring these people for now.

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Nori wrote:
The truth you speak of is so far off the topic of conversation.

The fact that people like you exist makes me uncomfortable.

You choose to ignore the fact that any man now has the ability to walk into a woman's restroom including sexual predators. This is a win for them. Just because a person feels he/she belongs to the opposite sex does not justify changing laws. There are a small group of people who are uncomfortable with their body limbs and have asked doctors to ambulate the limbs. Luckily, medical science is ignoring these people for now.

Yvonne wrote:
Here is a 16 year old boy who thinks he has periods. This is the reason why Johns Hopkins Hospital has stopped transgender operations. The hospital data says the problem is mental. How can any boy think he has a period if he does not have the body part?
http://downtrend.com/vsaxena/teen-boy ... =not3&utm_medium=facebook

Nori wrote:
The truth you speak of is so far off the topic of conversation.

The fact that people like you exist makes me uncomfortable.