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Funny pic, catdog, but if Christie is held responsible for NJ railroad failures shouldn't Obama be held for Federal railroad failures? Of course, unless you want to be intellectually dishonest.
Posted on: 2015/7/29 11:02
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lol what 
Posted on: 2015/7/29 3:02
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OK to go back to the tunnel story.. It looks like there was some shared expenses proposal in 2010 and Christie decided to use the funds for the Pulaski repairs which keep changing. Now the question is now that Cuomo has decided to spend a big chunk of money on LGA whether we will run into a similar situation. We shall see... These existing tunnels are a disaster in waiting... like the big corroded transversal steel beam at the end of lower 139 westbound which is waiting for its victim..., hopefully not me.
Posted on: 2015/7/28 22:18
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Pebs, figure it out, it's not hard. You have tens of thousands of NJ residents paying into NY via payroll/income taxes-and they don't partake/benefit from what those taxes pay for. Medical, social services, prisons, yadda yadda. And they get their NJ taxes washed since they pay in NY! Who benefits? NY. Jeez, it's not hard to figure out.
Posted on: 2015/7/28 21:56
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the smarter plan would have been to create a massive train station in fidi with trains coming from jersey and brooklyn/long island.....that is how it works in many other big cities around the world
Posted on: 2015/7/28 21:50
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False assumption. New York has low property taxes due to the corporate tax income that the City makes. You can see examples of this in New Jersey. (Remember the fear in Nutley/Clifton when Roche left?) Additionally, a ton of money is generated via tourism. New York would gain more taxes by having people live in New York. The cost of services per person would lower with more people in the state. Additionally, driving more people into the state increases the value of the property which then increases the revenue generated from property taxes. You can double this down by spurring development of more property which generates jobs in the state. New York would rather these people spend on the subway on Saturday and Sunday as well as in restaurants on these days. Sure, New York would get some taxes from NJ commuters but any money spent on building a new train line would be lost. They wouldn't make back those millions.
Posted on: 2015/7/28 21:06
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Just imagine what a deal it is for NY and NYC. NJ commuters, paying NYS income taxes on the salaries they earn in NYS, but not using NYS services-no kids in school, no social services etc, yet paying tons of cash to NY. That's one reason why NYC real estate taxes are so cheap compared to NJ. And not having to put a penny into the infrastructure that brings them to work! Great deal, no? And all the sales tax generated by the breakfasts, lunches, and dinners, as well as all the other spending by those chump NJ commuters!
Posted on: 2015/7/28 20:42
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Do you know how much my average day is impacted by the failings or successes of NJTransit trains in and out of Penn Station? Zero. Literally, no impact.
On the other hand, adding another 27 trains per hour would mean thousands more people commuting to and from Penn Station. Since I regularly ride past Penn Station on the subway and know that large numbers of people connect to and from Penn Station, I can honestly say that the investing in the ARC tunnel would make my average commute much worse as the subways around Penn Station would be crowded with commuters from 27 more trains per hour. In that perspective, Christie did New York a great service by reducing the number of people crowding onto the subways at Penn Station.
Posted on: 2015/7/28 15:40
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I've had this conversation with a lot of people. The only people that believe NY gains anything from a tunnel from NJ into NY are misguided NJ residents. New York wants more residents in New York. They don't want people taking a train into NJ. They lose tax money, they lose the property development money, they lose the retail business money... In short, they get a small cut of taxes for working in the state but miss out on the larger state income benefits that happens when people live and work in a specific area. The fact of the matter is that Amtrak is saddled by Republicans that require the service provider to operate, at a loss, in red states. The North East Corridor has been making it money. Those same Republicans are not interested in helping further with federal money on a project that only benefits New Jersey. If you want to see Christie in all his dishonesty, just look at how he's not demanding that Republicans up the ante on federal funding for the train after he called out Republicans for not moving towards Sandy relief...
Posted on: 2015/7/28 15:32
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The ARC tunnels would have been fully owned by NJTransit, not by the MTA. There was no reason for the MTA or another New York agency to spend money for tunnels they would not own and would not use.
If the MTA was going to own a portion of the ARC tunnel, and receive rental payments for their use from NJTransit, than perhaps there might have been a reason for the MTA to participate in sharing those costs -- but only if they were going to earn rental income paid by NJTransit afterward.
Posted on: 2015/7/28 15:26
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Yup. Of course, Ianmac is a NY resident, who would benefit from those NJ commuters working in NY and paying NY income taxes on their salaries.
Posted on: 2015/7/28 15:21
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Because NJ Transit uses tunnels shared by both states!! LIRR does not! Duh!
Posted on: 2015/7/28 15:15
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So why the fuck do you think New York cares about NJTransit?
Posted on: 2015/7/28 15:07
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Why would they, that's an internal NY project.
Posted on: 2015/7/28 14:53
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It seems that this version of the story has been quite disputed: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/10/nyr ... project-in-2010.html?_r=0
Posted on: 2015/7/28 14:50
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Was New Jersey going to contribute to the tunnel connecting LIRR to Grand Central?
Posted on: 2015/7/28 14:33
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Get your facts straight. The original plan had zero contribution from New York State and/or NYC. The only 'sharing' on the cost overruns was an offer by the Federal Government to give low interest loans to New Jersey for any cost overruns. No grants from Washington, only loans that NJ taxpayers would have to pay back.
What Christie said was-if this is so critical to the nations 'core', and NY State and NYC will benefit from the tunnel, let's all go in equally, with all the costs. If you're the type of NJ taxpayer that enjoys getting screwed by NY and the Feds, well I can see why you'd oppose that type of arrangement. I'm not. Christie did the right thing, and we'll get a tunnel that if it does goes over budget (checked the East Side tunnel numbers lately?) the pain will be shared.
Posted on: 2015/7/28 14:06
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nothing like a gigantic, nationally recognized clusterf*ck to get a project like this moving
Posted on: 2015/7/28 14:02
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You cannot seriously be trying to spin this cluster**** as a positive for Christie. There was never any indication, certainly no contractual obligation, for NJ to pay for all the cost overruns as Christie claimed. His lie is laid bare by the fact that instead of trying to modify the project to spread those alleged costs around, or trying to work on a replacement tunnel, he stole the funds for the ARC Tunnel and redirected them to NJ road projects so he didn't have to raise the gas tax. Meanwhile, everyone has tried to come up with a new plan -- except Christie, who apparently only sees transportation agencies as a place to give jobs to his cronies. Last May, the head of Amtrak stated that the two current tunnels won't last 20 years. Even the article you linked points out that transportation officials have pushed to get something done for years. Christie's statement that he'd put in a new tunnel if he was elected president is, to put it mildly, a galling knee-jerk reaction from the single individual who delayed this infrastructure requirement by a decade, who shamefully knew this was a long-term problem, and is one of the people whose responsibility is to deal with it. It's been his job since 2010 to get it going, and he hasn't done jack. All he's done is try to kick the can down the road, to suit his own political ends. It is not surprising that the USTA is taking advantage of his public statement to try and get him to actually do his job, and meet with them and Cuomo. The real question now is, will he bother to get off the campaign bus long enough to actually do his job? Bets, anyone?
Posted on: 2015/7/28 13:58
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During the middle of last week Governor Christie blasted Obama's Amtrak for infrastructure problems that caused massive NJT delays. (Yes, we pay Amtrak a ton of money to use their tracks). This weekend, Christie spoke on a radio show and re-iterated what he said when he shut down the tunnel to Macy's basement-ie, all the stake holders, NY, NJ, and the Feds need to agree to share all the costs equally before he'd sign off.
Lo and behold, now the Feds want to talk! http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2015 ... _new_ra.html#incart_river
Posted on: 2015/7/28 11:19
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