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Can your editors help people understand the psychological traits within themselves that lead them to being so concerned, offended, and vocal about the inclusion or omission of race in a news story?

Pot meet kettle..

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terrencemcd wrote:
If you're this concerned that not reporting the race of suspects is unfair to white people, you have to take that up with the editors.

Can your editors help people understand the psychological traits within themselves that lead them to being so concerned, offended, and vocal about the inclusion or omission of race in a news story?

terrencemcd wrote:
If you're this concerned that not reporting the race of suspects is unfair to white people, you have to take that up with the editors.

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That's just a cop out from answering the question posed about any official or unofficial policy regarding the publishing of a person's race in JJ articles. While yes it may in fact be the responsibility of the editors to determine what gets published they surely provide feedback to you from time to time so that they have to make fewer edits in the future. What does that feedback indicate when it comes to the posed policy question vis-?-vis race reporting.

Don't intend it to be a cop-out. The conversation is really about our company's policy and I'm not a company spokesman. I also don't create our policies. I initially wrote that the apparent vandal in the Silverman graffiti story is white but users here are right that that is not our policy, so I changed it. If you're this concerned that not reporting the race of suspects is unfair to white people, you have to take that up with the editors.

Some unsolicited advice.. Don't give much weight to feedback received here. This is a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't crowd, as they say. No one here will ever be happy. On a site note, I do appreciate your articles for JJ, especially on development topics.

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Adonis wrote:

That's just a cop out from answering the question posed about any official or unofficial policy regarding the publishing of a person's race in JJ articles. While yes it may in fact be the responsibility of the editors to determine what gets published they surely provide feedback to you from time to time so that they have to make fewer edits in the future. What does that feedback indicate when it comes to the posed policy question vis-?-vis race reporting.

Don't intend it to be a cop-out. The conversation is really about our company's policy and I'm not a company spokesman. I also don't create our policies. I initially wrote that the apparent vandal in the Silverman graffiti story is white but users here are right that that is not our policy, so I changed it. If you're this concerned that not reporting the race of suspects is unfair to white people, you have to take that up with the editors.

Some unsolicited advice.. Don't give much weight to feedback received here. This is a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't crowd, as they say. No one here will ever be happy. On a site note, I do appreciate your articles for JJ, especially on development topics.

I don't think or feel that your observation is correct. Some of us took offense to the uneven application of a policy that seems arbitrary. I really don't care if the criminal in this article was white, brown or black. I am a minority, but I think it *is* helpful to point out obvious identifying traits when reporting crime stories. If it isn't OK to mention a given criminal is of a given race or has a given skin color, then it shouldn't be OK to do so when doing any crime reporting.

To Terrence: I didn't intend to pick on you, or your reporting. As others have mentioned, your articles are among the best at the JJ. I was just pointing out what seemed like a hypocritical application of the policy regarding race or skin color when reporting the news.

The police is asking for help in trying to find the guy. Of course it makes sense to include details of his physical characteristics to help identify him, IMO.

It would be different if they already caught the guy. There there would be no need to advertise his race/religion/creed or whatever else we use to divide ourselves.

I will personally buy a round of PBRs for fellow JClisters at Barcade when they catch this guy to celebrate! Serious invitation with the condition that no one brings any CCTV or other cameras. hahaha

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Adonis wrote:

That's just a cop out from answering the question posed about any official or unofficial policy regarding the publishing of a person's race in JJ articles. While yes it may in fact be the responsibility of the editors to determine what gets published they surely provide feedback to you from time to time so that they have to make fewer edits in the future. What does that feedback indicate when it comes to the posed policy question vis-?-vis race reporting.

Don't intend it to be a cop-out. The conversation is really about our company's policy and I'm not a company spokesman. I also don't create our policies. I initially wrote that the apparent vandal in the Silverman graffiti story is white but users here are right that that is not our policy, so I changed it. If you're this concerned that not reporting the race of suspects is unfair to white people, you have to take that up with the editors.

Some unsolicited advice.. Don't give much weight to feedback received here. This is a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't crowd, as they say. No one here will ever be happy. On a site note, I do appreciate your articles for JJ, especially on development topics.

I don't think or feel that your observation is correct. Some of us took offense to the uneven application of a policy that seems arbitrary. I really don't care if the criminal in this article was white, brown or black. I am a minority, but I think it *is* helpful to point out obvious identifying traits when reporting crime stories. If it isn't OK to mention a given criminal is of a given race or has a given skin color, then it shouldn't be OK to do so when doing any crime reporting.

To Terrence: I didn't intend to pick on you, or your reporting. As others have mentioned, your articles are among the best at the JJ. I was just pointing out what seemed like a hypocritical application of the policy regarding race or skin color when reporting the news.

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Some unsolicited advice.. Don't give much weight to feedback received here. This is a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't crowd, as they say. No one here will ever be happy. On a site note, I do appreciate your articles for JJ, especially on development topics.

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To Terrence: I didn't intend to pick on you, or your reporting. As others have mentioned, your articles are among the best at the JJ. I was just pointing out what seemed like a hypocritical application of the policy regarding race or skin color when reporting the news.

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Adonis wrote:

That's just a cop out from answering the question posed about any official or unofficial policy regarding the publishing of a person's race in JJ articles. While yes it may in fact be the responsibility of the editors to determine what gets published they surely provide feedback to you from time to time so that they have to make fewer edits in the future. What does that feedback indicate when it comes to the posed policy question vis-?-vis race reporting.

Don't intend it to be a cop-out. The conversation is really about our company's policy and I'm not a company spokesman. I also don't create our policies. I initially wrote that the apparent vandal in the Silverman graffiti story is white but users here are right that that is not our policy, so I changed it. If you're this concerned that not reporting the race of suspects is unfair to white people, you have to take that up with the editors.

Some unsolicited advice.. Don't give much weight to feedback received here. This is a dammed if you do and dammed if you don't crowd, as they say. No one here will ever be happy. On a site note, I do appreciate your articles for JJ, especially on development topics.

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Adonis wrote:

That's just a cop out from answering the question posed about any official or unofficial policy regarding the publishing of a person's race in JJ articles. While yes it may in fact be the responsibility of the editors to determine what gets published they surely provide feedback to you from time to time so that they have to make fewer edits in the future. What does that feedback indicate when it comes to the posed policy question vis-?-vis race reporting.

Don't intend it to be a cop-out. The conversation is really about our company's policy and I'm not a company spokesman. I also don't create our policies. I initially wrote that the apparent vandal in the Silverman graffiti story is white but users here are right that that is not our policy, so I changed it. If you're this concerned that not reporting the race of suspects is unfair to white people, you have to take that up with the editors.

Adonis wrote:

That's just a cop out from answering the question posed about any official or unofficial policy regarding the publishing of a person's race in JJ articles. While yes it may in fact be the responsibility of the editors to determine what gets published they surely provide feedback to you from time to time so that they have to make fewer edits in the future. What does that feedback indicate when it comes to the posed policy question vis-?-vis race reporting.

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Terrence, does the JJ have a written policy regarding when they will mention a criminal suspect's race? You seem to be implying when there is a picture of the suspect, the article will say it. As others have mentioned, this doesn't seem accurate. But if that is your stated policy then I assume we will have consistency.

For consistency's sake I removed that he is white. I presume this will end the controversy here.

I can only speak for myself, but I did not care that you said he was white. I think the reason you are seeing this reaction is that folks simply want to see a stated policy that is consistently and evenly applied.

In other words, no double standards.

Again, speaking for myself, l would prefer that race always be mentioned if available. This is how it's always been done and I see no reason not to include it if available. Plus it would help to identify and catch the suspect in the admittedly small chance someone spots him.

But applying the same standard to everyone is what's fair.

This is a really a conversation for my editors. Anyone who cares about this should reach out to them.

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Understood. Also, please don't take my comments the wrong way. For what it's worth I think you are the best reporter at the JJ.

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Terrence, does the JJ have a written policy regarding when they will mention a criminal suspect's race? You seem to be implying when there is a picture of the suspect, the article will say it. As others have mentioned, this doesn't seem accurate. But if that is your stated policy then I assume we will have consistency.

For consistency's sake I removed that he is white. I presume this will end the controversy here.

I can only speak for myself, but I did not care that you said he was white. I think the reason you are seeing this reaction is that folks simply want to see a stated policy that is consistently and evenly applied.

In other words, no double standards.

Again, speaking for myself, l would prefer that race always be mentioned if available. This is how it's always been done and I see no reason not to include it if available. Plus it would help to identify and catch the suspect in the admittedly small chance someone spots him.

But applying the same standard to everyone is what's fair.

This is a really a conversation for my editors. Anyone who cares about this should reach out to them.

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Terrence, does the JJ have a written policy regarding when they will mention a criminal suspect's race? You seem to be implying when there is a picture of the suspect, the article will say it. As others have mentioned, this doesn't seem accurate. But if that is your stated policy then I assume we will have consistency.

For consistency's sake I removed that he is white. I presume this will end the controversy here.

I can only speak for myself, but I did not care that you said he was white. I think the reason you are seeing this reaction is that folks simply want to see a stated policy that is consistently and evenly applied.

In other words, no double standards.

Again, speaking for myself, l would prefer that race always be mentioned if available. This is how it's always been done and I see no reason not to include it if available. Plus it would help to identify and catch the suspect in the admittedly small chance someone spots him.

But applying the same standard to everyone is what's fair.

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Terrence, does the JJ have a written policy regarding when they will mention a criminal suspect's race? You seem to be implying when there is a picture of the suspect, the article will say it. As others have mentioned, this doesn't seem accurate. But if that is your stated policy then I assume we will have consistency.

For consistency's sake I removed that he is white. I presume this will end the controversy here.

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Terrence, does the JJ have a written policy regarding when they will mention a criminal suspect's race? You seem to be implying when there is a picture of the suspect, the article will say it. As others have mentioned, this doesn't seem accurate. But if that is your stated policy then I assume we will have consistency.

I presume this will end the controversy here.

LMAO nothing will stop the whiners

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Terrence, does the JJ have a written policy regarding when they will mention a criminal suspect's race? You seem to be implying when there is a picture of the suspect, the article will say it. As others have mentioned, this doesn't seem accurate. But if that is your stated policy then I assume we will have consistency.

I presume this will end the controversy here.

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Terrence, does the JJ have a written policy regarding when they will mention a criminal suspect's race? You seem to be implying when there is a picture of the suspect, the article will say it. As others have mentioned, this doesn't seem accurate. But if that is your stated policy then I assume we will have consistency.

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The alleged vandal is a white male with a thin build, dark hair and a beard. .

I thought the Jersey Journal does not mention/guess race.

This is the PERFECT encapsulation of PC run amok: the Jersey Journal will go out of their way to avoid stating the race or skin color of a criminal that happens to be a minority or non-white, but don't use the same standard/restraint when it comes to someone who happens to be white. Hypocrisy at its finest.

As someone else pointed out, there are pictures of this guy. There's no point leaving his race out of it when the pictures in the story show what it is.

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Yeah for all we know that could be a high yellow Negro.

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The alleged vandal is a white male with a thin build, dark hair and a beard. .

I thought the Jersey Journal does not mention/guess race.

This is the PERFECT encapsulation of PC run amok: the Jersey Journal will go out of their way to avoid stating the race or skin color of a criminal that happens to be a minority or non-white, but don't use the same standard/restraint when it comes to someone who happens to be white. Hypocrisy at its finest.

As someone else pointed out, there are pictures of this guy. There's no point leaving his race out of it when the pictures in the story show what it is.

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The alleged vandal is a white male with a thin build, dark hair and a beard. .

I thought the Jersey Journal does not mention/guess race.

This is the PERFECT encapsulation of PC run amok: the Jersey Journal will go out of their way to avoid stating the race or skin color of a criminal that happens to be a minority or non-white, but don't use the same standard/restraint when it comes to someone who happens to be white. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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The alleged vandal is a white male with a thin build, dark hair and a beard. .

I thought the Jersey Journal does not mention/guess race.

This is the PERFECT encapsulation of PC run amok: the Jersey Journal will go out of their way to avoid stating the race or skin color of a criminal that happens to be a minority or non-white, but don't use the same standard/restraint when it comes to someone who happens to be white. Hypocrisy at its finest.

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I can't believe it.


I'm at a bar right now, and a guy with a beard wearing skinny jeans sits down and orders a PBR. I swear he looks very similar to the photos on NJ.com. He caught me staring and we just finished an odd conversation. It's probably not him but unfucking believable if it is. Has a reward like been setup yet?? Lol.

I'm near Newark Penn by the way.

Take photos of him with your smartphone and post it on here.

I thought of that, but I don't want to shame someone innocent. Then I would be as big a fool as him. Again, it's probably not him, but I did take a double take.

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I can't believe it.


I'm at a bar right now, and a guy with a beard wearing skinny jeans sits down and orders a PBR. I swear he looks very similar to the photos on NJ.com. He caught me staring and we just finished an odd conversation. It's probably not him but unfucking believable if it is. Has a reward like been setup yet?? Lol.

I'm near Newark Penn by the way.

Take photos of him with your smartphone and post it on here.