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JCorNYC wrote:
So it is true we lost ShopRite too?

I sure hope so. It's utterly mismanaged and completely out of sync with the current local demographics, let alone the ones that are on the way in. I would smile ear-to-ear if I never again had to deal with wasting 15 minutes of my life in the "express" lane while someone ahead of me argues with the cashier about a $1 coupon.

And the current local demographics are?

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JCorNYC wrote:
So it is true we lost ShopRite too?

I sure hope so. It's utterly mismanaged and completely out of sync with the current local demographics, let alone the ones that are on the way in. I would smile ear-to-ear if I never again had to deal with wasting 15 minutes of my life in the "express" lane while someone ahead of me argues with the cashier about a $1 coupon.

JCorNYC wrote:
So it is true we lost ShopRite too?

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From the article:

"The proposal marks a shift from a policy Fulop, a regular critic of Downtown tax breaks when he was a councilman, implemented in December 2013 that he said at the time would shift long-term abatements away from the lucrative Downtown to other areas of the city."

What a surprise. Councilman Fulop says one thing (very loudly), Mayor Fulop does another.

i figured it would only be a matter of time before fulop turned into healy II...why does this project need a 20 -year abatements...doesn't his guidelines state 10-15?

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JCMan8 wrote:
From the article:

"The proposal marks a shift from a policy Fulop, a regular critic of Downtown tax breaks when he was a councilman, implemented in December 2013 that he said at the time would shift long-term abatements away from the lucrative Downtown to other areas of the city."

What a surprise. Councilman Fulop says one thing (very loudly), Mayor Fulop does another.

i figured it would only be a matter of time before fulop turned into healy II...why does this project need a 20 -year abatements...doesn't his guidelines state 10-15?

JCMan8 wrote:
From the article:

"The proposal marks a shift from a policy Fulop, a regular critic of Downtown tax breaks when he was a councilman, implemented in December 2013 that he said at the time would shift long-term abatements away from the lucrative Downtown to other areas of the city."

What a surprise. Councilman Fulop says one thing (very loudly), Mayor Fulop does another.

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JCorNYC wrote:
Maybe Jersey City politicians don't think people in Downtown, Newport, Waterfront do not go grocery shopping?

Full of idiots running this city!

Sorry you've been living under a rock for the past 6 months and never bothered to read the thread that you are commenting in. If you had, you'd see the Shoprite isn't going anywhere.

JCorNYC wrote:
Maybe Jersey City politicians don't think people in Downtown, Newport, Waterfront do not go grocery shopping?

Full of idiots running this city!

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I'm happy to see some affordable housing included.

They also launched a website for the project.

http://www.hudsonexchangejc.com/

From the link:
Thanks to feedback and input from the community, our new plan will create a more accessible and unique environment.
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Did any one participate in these feedback sessions or did the local communty associations participate? I ask because the survey in the link seems so preliminary rather than an attempt to get clarification or refinemant on already collected feedback.

After taking the survey, I simply assumed they are trying to gauge people's preference for retail options. Personally, I think more restaurants, and some clothing options, would be nice. We don't really need big box retailers (we already have a Best Buy and Target less than a mile away from there, plus all the other retailers in the mall) so a few more upscale options would be welcome. Despite all the improvements in Newport Mall over the past few years, it is still mostly crappy stores. As for restaurants in that area, there aren't many worth their space. Chili's is decent is you happen to be in the mood for causal dining, but VB3 is a hit-or-miss shit show, and there is nothing else close by. Within a 5 - 10 minute walk, you have Fire & Oak (decent to below average) and some shuttered spots (Azucar, closed for almost a year, rumored to become another White Star, and Skylark Diner, formerly South City Grill, which has been closed for a while), along with Bertucci's (decent for what it is) and Batello (really great!) and Taphaus (decent food, great beers, and even better views).

wouldn'tit be great if developers of metro plaza developed their site to complement the mall so that these two properties could cross pollinate each other

I think it is safe to say that the targeted demographic of these new towers would be 100% against THAT idea. The people they hope they attract are not the same customer that would patronize the mall. If the developers of Metro Plaza really manage to lure some higher end retailers, that could accelerate the eventual demise of Newport Mall.

i disagree. i shop at macy's, nordstrom but i'm also happy shopping at big lots or ch martin or dollar general. i seldom , if ever, patronize the food court but i do go to the mcdonalds/starbucks at the mall

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moobycow wrote:
I'm happy to see some affordable housing included.

They also launched a website for the project.

http://www.hudsonexchangejc.com/

From the link:
Thanks to feedback and input from the community, our new plan will create a more accessible and unique environment.
...................
Did any one participate in these feedback sessions or did the local communty associations participate? I ask because the survey in the link seems so preliminary rather than an attempt to get clarification or refinemant on already collected feedback.

After taking the survey, I simply assumed they are trying to gauge people's preference for retail options. Personally, I think more restaurants, and some clothing options, would be nice. We don't really need big box retailers (we already have a Best Buy and Target less than a mile away from there, plus all the other retailers in the mall) so a few more upscale options would be welcome. Despite all the improvements in Newport Mall over the past few years, it is still mostly crappy stores. As for restaurants in that area, there aren't many worth their space. Chili's is decent is you happen to be in the mood for causal dining, but VB3 is a hit-or-miss shit show, and there is nothing else close by. Within a 5 - 10 minute walk, you have Fire & Oak (decent to below average) and some shuttered spots (Azucar, closed for almost a year, rumored to become another White Star, and Skylark Diner, formerly South City Grill, which has been closed for a while), along with Bertucci's (decent for what it is) and Batello (really great!) and Taphaus (decent food, great beers, and even better views).

wouldn'tit be great if developers of metro plaza developed their site to complement the mall so that these two properties could cross pollinate each other

I think it is safe to say that the targeted demographic of these new towers would be 100% against THAT idea. The people they hope they attract are not the same customer that would patronize the mall. If the developers of Metro Plaza really manage to lure some higher end retailers, that could accelerate the eventual demise of Newport Mall.

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moobycow wrote:
I'm happy to see some affordable housing included.

They also launched a website for the project.

http://www.hudsonexchangejc.com/

From the link:
Thanks to feedback and input from the community, our new plan will create a more accessible and unique environment.
...................
Did any one participate in these feedback sessions or did the local communty associations participate? I ask because the survey in the link seems so preliminary rather than an attempt to get clarification or refinemant on already collected feedback.

After taking the survey, I simply assumed they are trying to gauge people's preference for retail options. Personally, I think more restaurants, and some clothing options, would be nice. We don't really need big box retailers (we already have a Best Buy and Target less than a mile away from there, plus all the other retailers in the mall) so a few more upscale options would be welcome. Despite all the improvements in Newport Mall over the past few years, it is still mostly crappy stores. As for restaurants in that area, there aren't many worth their space. Chili's is decent is you happen to be in the mood for causal dining, but VB3 is a hit-or-miss shit show, and there is nothing else close by. Within a 5 - 10 minute walk, you have Fire & Oak (decent to below average) and some shuttered spots (Azucar, closed for almost a year, rumored to become another White Star, and Skylark Diner, formerly South City Grill, which has been closed for a while), along with Bertucci's (decent for what it is) and Batello (really great!) and Taphaus (decent food, great beers, and even better views).

wouldn'tit be great if developers of metro plaza developed their site to complement the mall so that these two properties could cross pollinate each other

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moobycow wrote:
I'm happy to see some affordable housing included.

They also launched a website for the project.

http://www.hudsonexchangejc.com/

From the link:
Thanks to feedback and input from the community, our new plan will create a more accessible and unique environment.
...................
Did any one participate in these feedback sessions or did the local communty associations participate? I ask because the survey in the link seems so preliminary rather than an attempt to get clarification or refinemant on already collected feedback.

After taking the survey, I simply assumed they are trying to gauge people's preference for retail options. Personally, I think more restaurants, and some clothing options, would be nice. We don't really need big box retailers (we already have a Best Buy and Target less than a mile away from there, plus all the other retailers in the mall) so a few more upscale options would be welcome. Despite all the improvements in Newport Mall over the past few years, it is still mostly crappy stores. As for restaurants in that area, there aren't many worth their space. Chili's is decent is you happen to be in the mood for causal dining, but VB3 is a hit-or-miss shit show, and there is nothing else close by. Within a 5 - 10 minute walk, you have Fire & Oak (decent to below average) and some shuttered spots (Azucar, closed for almost a year, rumored to become another White Star, and Skylark Diner, formerly South City Grill, which has been closed for a while), along with Bertucci's (decent for what it is) and Batello (really great!) and Taphaus (decent food, great beers, and even better views).

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moobycow wrote:
I'm happy to see some affordable housing included.

They also launched a website for the project.

http://www.hudsonexchangejc.com/

From the link:
Thanks to feedback and input from the community, our new plan will create a more accessible and unique environment.
...................
Did any one participate in these feedback sessions or did the local communty associations participate? I ask because the survey in the link seems so preliminary rather than an attempt to get clarification or refinemant on already collected feedback.

moobycow wrote:
I'm happy to see some affordable housing included.

They also launched a website for the project.

http://www.hudsonexchangejc.com/

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Seriously, some of the people posting here are being chicken little types with all this blanket posturing against cars and parking lots. Yes, I agree that surface lots can be an eyesore and a blight on cities when allowed to proliferate out of control, but ALL cities need parking, for residents and visitors. Parking can be successfully integrated into new development in a way that is not distracting or that negatively impacts the communities.

The point is we don't have enough parking

Parking doesn't generate enough of a profit margin for developers when you can have an apartment the same size of 3 parking bays or less and generate 300 - 400 K in some parts of JC.

bodhipooh wrote:

Seriously, some of the people posting here are being chicken little types with all this blanket posturing against cars and parking lots. Yes, I agree that surface lots can be an eyesore and a blight on cities when allowed to proliferate out of control, but ALL cities need parking, for residents and visitors. Parking can be successfully integrated into new development in a way that is not distracting or that negatively impacts the communities.

moobycow wrote:
I'm happy to see some affordable housing included.

They also launched a website for the project.

http://www.hudsonexchangejc.com/

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It would be nice if Shoprite offers online shopping and free (or reduced cost) delivery, much like Fresh Direct. I think they can compete.

Um. THEY DO.

JCMan8 wrote:

This is a good post but I think you are wasting your time. There is a group of closed minded morons of the mindset CARS = BAD!!!

I don't think there is anything you could say to change their mind. The important thing is the new development has plenty of space for parking.

bodhipooh wrote:
Funny that this conversation has gone on the way that it has... it has already been established that parking WILL BE part of the development (not as a surface lot, but as part of one or more of the buildings that will make up the proposed development.) Likewise, it is mind boggling that people keep talking about how JC will eventually be just like NYC, as if NYC was some sort of monolith concept of a carless city. Once you venture outside of Manhattan, and some of the waterfront areas in BK, you soon discover that TONS of people have cars. There are places in Queens (and, even Brooklyn!) that not having a car is actually a problem. And, some places in Queens and Brooklyn do make accommodations for cars without none of this knee jerk, militant mantra of "cars are evil, must be stopped at all costs" mentality. It is all about smart development and accommodating people's needs to the extent possible or practical. As someone else mentioned, in Queens there is a shopping complex in Rego Park that includes many big-box stores, restaurants and shops in one tight development that allows for people to arrive by foot, car or mass transit. You have similar concepts in BK. Heck, even Manhattan has one such shopping complex: East River Plaza, on the far east side of Harlem. You have a Target, Costco, Best Buy, restaurants, etc. It includes parking (gasp!) and Manhattan hasn't collapsed because of this.

Seriously, some of the people posting here are being chicken little types with all this blanket posturing against cars and parking lots. Yes, I agree that surface lots can be an eyesore and a blight on cities when allowed to proliferate out of control, but ALL cities need parking, for residents and visitors. Parking can be successfully integrated into new development in a way that is not distracting or that negatively impacts the communities.

bodhipooh wrote:
Funny that this conversation has gone on the way that it has... it has already been established that parking WILL BE part of the development (not as a surface lot, but as part of one or more of the buildings that will make up the proposed development.) Likewise, it is mind boggling that people keep talking about how JC will eventually be just like NYC, as if NYC was some sort of monolith concept of a carless city. Once you venture outside of Manhattan, and some of the waterfront areas in BK, you soon discover that TONS of people have cars. There are places in Queens (and, even Brooklyn!) that not having a car is actually a problem. And, some places in Queens and Brooklyn do make accommodations for cars without none of this knee jerk, militant mantra of "cars are evil, must be stopped at all costs" mentality. It is all about smart development and accommodating people's needs to the extent possible or practical. As someone else mentioned, in Queens there is a shopping complex in Rego Park that includes many big-box stores, restaurants and shops in one tight development that allows for people to arrive by foot, car or mass transit. You have similar concepts in BK. Heck, even Manhattan has one such shopping complex: East River Plaza, on the far east side of Harlem. You have a Target, Costco, Best Buy, restaurants, etc. It includes parking (gasp!) and Manhattan hasn't collapsed because of this.

Seriously, some of the people posting here are being chicken little types with all this blanket posturing against cars and parking lots. Yes, I agree that surface lots can be an eyesore and a blight on cities when allowed to proliferate out of control, but ALL cities need parking, for residents and visitors. Parking can be successfully integrated into new development in a way that is not distracting or that negatively impacts the communities.