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This isn't just about garbage. Right now we are seeing 80 tank cars with flammable placards going by on one train. It is the noise, pollution, the threat of derailment and explosions. Houses, and the Turnpike are only feet away.

I'm confused. The subject says "waste transfer" and talked about some future deal.

Ok, anyway, where do you want those cars to go instead?

Greenvillelifer wrote:
This isn't just about garbage. Right now we are seeing 80 tank cars with flammable placards going by on one train. It is the noise, pollution, the threat of derailment and explosions. Houses, and the Turnpike are only feet away.

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Jersey City residents speak out against Port Authority's Cross Harbor Freight proposals

By Matthew Speiser | The Jersey Journal The Jersey Journal 
on March 03, 2015 at  3:19 PM

JERSEY CITY - To say the residents of Greenville are opposed to the Port Authority's Cross Harbor Freight Program would be an understatement.

Thursday night, representatives from the bi-state agency held a community meeting at the Mary McLeod Bethune Life Center to receive feedback from residents on the environmental impact of their cross harbor freight movement plans -- many of which involve concentrating freight movement through the Greenville rail yards.

The Cross Harbor Freight Program seeks to improve the movement of freight across New York Harbor between the east-of-Hudson and west-of-Hudson regions, and reduce the truck traffic on roadways. In doing so, the Port Authority has laid out 11 options -- 10 of which involve building infrastructure like a tunnel or a barge.

While officials say these alternatives will reduce traffic and pollution in New Jersey by mostly concentrating the freight movement in Greenville, they say it will also have a "severe" environmental effect on the Jersey City neighborhood.

"This project must be abandoned by the Port Authority," said Greenville resident Frank Falcicchio. "Your environmental report stinks. This will be detrimental to the welfare of the people who live in this area."

Read more:  http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... y_oppose_port_author.html

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The tunnel would still bring the garbage to Greenville.
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hero69 wrote:
what happened to the idea of freight train tunnel from brooklyn to jc

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http://hudsoncountyview.com/emails-fu ... -garbage-greenville-deal/

Greenvillelifer wrote:
What streets are these trucks driving through?

There is a difference between one truck at a time, and a whole
train load.

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OK, my head is spinning. Are any of these established facts incorrect?

1-This garbage is already transiting JC, but on the roadway in unsealed trucks.

2-The PA bought the terminal with the expressed purpose of establishing this transfer station.

3-The garbage is not going to be landfilled in NJ, it's going to be incinerated in a state of the art power generation facility. This is a job creator in addition to the transfer station.

So, WTF? There's more political turnarounds and backstabbing going on in this show than in Julius Ceasar!

That said, I've always agreed with Sweeney's point that NY should be dealing with it's own garbage. There's 150 miles of river all the way to Albany, at any point of which they could build a facility to deal with their trash. But it's politically expedient to export it so no NY voters have it in their hood.

If 1. is correct and the garbage is currently transiting though JC in unsealed trucks are there any complaints about the smell from anyone who live on or near the routes?

brewster wrote:
OK, my head is spinning. Are any of these established facts incorrect?

1-This garbage is already transiting JC, but on the roadway in unsealed trucks.

2-The PA bought the terminal with the expressed purpose of establishing this transfer station.

3-The garbage is not going to be landfilled in NJ, it's going to be incinerated in a state of the art power generation facility. This is a job creator in addition to the transfer station.

So, WTF? There's more political turnarounds and backstabbing going on in this show than in Julius Ceasar!

That said, I've always agreed with Sweeney's point that NY should be dealing with it's own garbage. There's 150 miles of river all the way to Albany, at any point of which they could build a facility to deal with their trash. But it's politically expedient to export it so no NY voters have it in their hood.

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hero69 wrote:
probably a smart decision to cancel this

If the facts are as previously stated (that the garbage is already being transported through JC streets on regular trucks) then I don't see how the cancellation is a smart decision. It was implied from the beginning that the garbage is already being brought to JC, then loaded onto trucks, which then drive through the streets of JC on their way to the landfill or incineration facility. If that is not the case, then it is probably good they cancelled. But, if the garbage is already coming here, this new setup would have been an improvement.

If this garbage is already coming through that area, I doubt the residents would have been so up in arms about it. The whole point was that the plan that Fulop shoved through would have made the area smell like a garbage dump, as all the linked articles demonstrated.

Luckily Sweeney and the Port Authority showed they were more concerned with the welfare of JC residents than Fulop himself.

I'll advise you to read Brewster's many posts in this thread on this very topic as he took the time to actually research whether or not the area "would smell like a garbage dump." Unless you have any actual information that would backup this assertion, you're clearly speaking on an opinion about what you believe would happen based on absolutely no evidence what-so-ever.

As to the rest, we all know that this deal was killed by Sweeney as a political move. He cares exceptionally little for anyone but himself.

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hero69 wrote:
probably a smart decision to cancel this

If the facts are as previously stated (that the garbage is already being transported through JC streets on regular trucks) then I don't see how the cancellation is a smart decision. It was implied from the beginning that the garbage is already being brought to JC, then loaded onto trucks, which then drive through the streets of JC on their way to the landfill or incineration facility. If that is not the case, then it is probably good they cancelled. But, if the garbage is already coming here, this new setup would have been an improvement.

If this garbage is already coming through that area, I doubt the residents would have been so up in arms about it. The whole point was that the plan that Fulop shoved through would have made the area smell like a garbage dump, as all the linked articles demonstrated.

Luckily Sweeney and the Port Authority showed they were more concerned with the welfare of JC residents than Fulop himself.

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hero69 wrote:
probably a smart decision to cancel this

If the facts are as previously stated (that the garbage is already being transported through JC streets on regular trucks) then I don't see how the cancellation is a smart decision. It was implied from the beginning that the garbage is already being brought to JC, then loaded onto trucks, which then drive through the streets of JC on their way to the landfill or incineration facility. If that is not the case, then it is probably good they cancelled. But, if the garbage is already coming here, this new setup would have been an improvement.