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That's all good and well - But I still believe we are being taken for a ride and undercutting ourselves which is of concern - I'm sure we have done our figures, so why sell our services so cheap?

The proposed casino/racetrack isn't very far from the transfer station, is it? If those power brokers, who plan to drop over a billion dollars in the project, don't think it's a problem should we?

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The New York City commercial waste transfer station tip fee is estimated to be $65 to $80/ton.

So if we multiply 800,000 (tons) x $80 (to cover inflation) we should be charging NY $64 million !!!

Note: Has anyone worked out how many people are needed at the transfer station to process NY's trash and what the TOTAL overheads and running costs are; machinery, maintenance, power supply, wages, administration, insurance, pensions etc etc ???
I doubt we'll have a bag full of profits !

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Lord, you're so full of crap. If Fulop was trying to develop that area you'd be howling he was changing the "character" of JC that you love. And when he's trying to preserve what little industry JC has left you're gunning for him as well. As far as I can recall the only change in JC ever that you were for was the dramatic rise in the value of your VVP house.

WTF are you talking about trucks for? The stuff is going from barge to rail.

And when another Sandy or Irene comes there will be NYC garbage floating all over Greenville. JC is an urban not rural place. There are places in NY state that can take NYC garbage, it doesn't belong in JC.

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Bringing a dead port back to life is not development? The entire city shouldn't be condos. It would be nice to have to heavier commercial / industrial come back to the city.

Having a varied economy would make us less prone to recession or urban death syndrome*.

As for the trucks.. they are already passing through the area as those trucks have to go over Rt. 1&9 to reach the trash burner / recycling plant (you can see it from the Skyway). The whole point is to get the trucks off the streets. Trucks, for moving bulk like trash are more expensive than using barge and rails.

* when a city dependent on one company or industry goes to Hell in a hand-basket because that one employer or industry went belly up.

You are putting garbage on a waterfront area that can be developed. So what is the route? The Bayonne Bridge is under construction, will those trucks come through the Holland Tunnel? What streets will those trucks travel on? We are being sold a bill of goods.

My disappointment is NOT that the Reservoir and the Greenville Yards will be rejuvenated (which is fantastic) but rather we have undersold our services - We haven't even considered the cost of trucks rambling on our roads and the wear and tear on all our infrastructure to process NY's trash. It would be like a car salesman saying how great I am selling a mercedes for $10,000 when it should be sold for $100,000 and not considering the car yards overheads to display and sell the car!

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It is being put there because it is an existing port facility, with an existing rail yard, serviced by an existing railroad, in an existing industrial / heavy commercial zoned area.

The ports downtown (Exchange place was called that because it was a port) disappeared long ago. Unless you plan to convert the marina at Newport....

As for the Heights... building a port up there would be an amazing engineering project. Sort of like a mini Panama canal. Maybe just wait until global warming change disruption raises sea level by 80 to 100 ft?

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Well, I doubt the Heights ever have a barge-to-rail transfer station since there is no water access.

It's also probably pretty hard to have a barge-to-rail transfer downtown since the railroad tracks no longer connect to the water.

But yes, this was actually done specifically to spite Greenville. Actually, not just Greenville. Fulop was like, "Man, that Yvonne woman keeps making these videos critical of my administration. I"m going to get her good. I'm going to cut a multimillion dollar deal that gets trash trucks off the streets and moves them to a more efficient barge-to-rail system JUST TO SPITE YVONNE." He probably had an entire committee dedicated to ways to screw with you.

This would never happen downtown or the heights, Fulop is putting there because he knows he can get away with it but it will backfire.

NYC's trash is already going through NJ as NYC contracted with Covanta Energy. Half of the waste to energy plant's capacity in Newark is met by trash from NYC. Right now that waste is primarily be transported by truck. The containerized barge to rail system sounds like a pretty good idea.

Plus the Reservoir improvements is a nice incentive and it brings commercial business back to what has been a near-dead rail yard for years.

The Greenville yard project appears to be similar to what Covanta already put in progress a few years back:

From Covanta:


It is anticipated New York City will deliver approximately 800,000 tons of MSW per year which reflects the City?s continued efforts to reduce waste generation and increase recycling.

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The agreement is for 20 years of service and it provides New York City with options for two additional five-year periods. It calls for waste to be transported via sealed containers using a multi-modal approach including barges and railcars which will significantly reduce long-haul truck transportation of MSW. Service for the Queens marine transfer station is expected to begin in early 2015, with service to the Manhattan marine transfer station to follow in 2016 when construction work is expected to be completed by New York City. To fulfill its obligations under this agreement, Covanta must purchase equipment, including barges, railcars, containers and intermodal equipment. Covanta expects its total investment to purchase this equipment will be approximately $110 million. This investment will be made over several years beginning in 2013.

The route 7 is 5 miles away in an industrial area. This will not be 5 miles away, this will be a neighbor to Greenville residents.

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You already do live near a waste site. Check Route 7...

This is a resolution so it will be voted on tomorrow. Who wants to buy property in a place that is close to a garbage transfer station? It is wrong to give the money to a park in another ward. Where is the voice of the Ward A councilman?

In the late 1990, Bret Schundler tried to do the same thing but Tropicana orange juice plant which is located there (a rail line brings up juice for repacking in the Northeast) threaten to leave JC and their 200 jobs. They didn't want to be know as a plant near a garbage station. Councilman Cavanagh from Ward A lead the charge. A lot Ward A people turned away from Schundler over this plan.

I think to focus on the 10 millions for the Reservoir and ignoring the other benefits is being blind by choice. In addition to the additional money for the Reservoir, the Greenville Yards will see some benefit in the expanding of operations there, which should translate into additional jobs and labor taxes, and there is also the added benefit of removing heavy traffic from our roads, not to mention that traffic is unsightly and smelly. This is great news for JC.

Doing the sums : Just how much tonnage are we talking about ?

http://www.biocycle.net/2012/12/18/co ... ecovery-in-new-york-city/

Its not a case of how much you make, but more importantly how much you should be making - Its basic business management 101.
We should have done a reverse cost analysis; We should look to see how much it would cost NYC to service their own waste and come in with a tender price 5% less ... I bet NY waste management see us as dumb-ass fools as they would know it would cost them multiple millions to simply set-up the infrastructure and plant equipment.

I smell a political deal and it stinks.

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Who cares how the numbers fall. If the total amount that we're getting out of this is the biggest complaint, than we don't have much of a complaint at all. It's a win for Greenville, it's a win for the Reservoir, it's apparently a win for NYC.

That $10 million is going to one of Jersey City's most underrated plots of land (and water). The reservoir is to Journal Square / Heights as the Embankment is to DTJC. This board would have erupted in euphoria if the embankment was getting this treatment instead.

Rarely do we get an increase in open space in a city, and definitely not an increase as large as the reservoir.

For those not convinced, go check out the Reservoir's vision, something that has been years in the making: http://www.jcreservoir.org/vision

I'm not buying it - This $10 million dollar deal is way too cheap ... If Manhattan had to haul just their crap up-State NY, the transport cost would be much much higher ... This is a great deal for NYC and we should have asked for $20 million or even more.

New York waste transfer deal to bring $10 million to Jersey City

By Michaelangelo Conte | The Jersey Journal
on October 06, 2014 at 10:00 PM

Jersey City Mayor Steven Fulop spoke at last night?s city council caucus about a deal with the New York Department of Sanitation that will bring $10 million to the city for completion of Reservoir 3 in the Heights in exchange for expansion of a Jersey City facility handling New York waste.

?This is an opportunity for another showcase park and that will really be the most significant park project in Jersey City,? Fulop said tof the agreement in which IESI NY Corp. is to commence a containerized municipal solid waste operation near Liberty State Park for up to three decades.

The mayor said the deal will allow IESI to expand its industrial property at Greenville Yards in exchange for a $10 million Host Community Payment to be applied to the reservoir project. He said it will also provide Jersey City with $250,000 annually in host transfer fees for operations at the waste transfer facility.

The expansion of Greenville Yards will remove 800,000 tons of waste currently driven through Jersey City streets. It will instead be transported in sealed containers of barge-to-rail, never entering the Jersey City community, the city said in a press release.

The renovations to Reservoir 3 in the Heights will include perimeter running and walking tracks and pathways, preservation of existing historic structures, new lighting, new park amenities such as a floating walkway across parts of the water, a kayak launch, beach area with water access, as well as nature and wildlife habit areas, the press release says.

?We are very pleased to partner with Mayor Fulop and Jersey City on this opportunity,? IESI spokesperson Chaya Cooperberg said of the ordinance which will be introduced by the regular council meeting tomorrow night. ?This operation will contribute to the community?s environmental sustainability and provide funds to support the city?s capital needs.?

Also tomorrow, an ordinance will introduced for an emergency appropriation to pay contractual obligations resulting from the retirement of city employees. Councilman Michael Yun noted that the payments will go to 28 civilian and 100 uniformed retirees, with about $6 million going to the uniformed.

The council will also introduce an ordinance to appropriate $36.5 million for purposes including the reconstruction, renovation, rehabilitation and improvement of city public parks and fields, playgrounds; public buildings and facilities; road work and traffic related equipment, purchase of vehicles, and other purposes. About $34 million of it is to be raised by issuing bonds.

Currently the city has about $450 million in outstanding bonds and it pays about $60 million per year in debt service, officials said.

Finally, an ordinance will be introduced to give a 20-year tax abatement to the developer of Columbus Hotel, which is to be located at 80 Columbus Drive Downtown.

?A 20-year tax abatement in that area is ridiculous - they don?t need a 20 year tax abatement,? Councilman Richard Boggiano said.

But a spokesman for the developer of the 152-room, $25 million hotel said it will be competing with other hotels and an abatement will give its lender more confidence to say ?This will work.?

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ey_city.html#incart_river