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You're assuming too much. Shooting targets is shooting target. Not everyone who shoots targets is practicing to kill.

More delusion. They may not intend to put it to actual use, but that IS what they are doing. Imagine a competitive fishing rod caster saying he's not practicing to fish and it's completely unrelated to fishing.

Yeah, watch out for those deadly biathlon olympic athletes who shoot people, or these dangerous archers putting arrows through your hearts. Are you out of your mind?

I don't believe so. At least I can tell a deadly weapon when I see one, whatever it's being used for at the moment. This does appear to be your problem, telling a weapon designed to kill from a piece of sports equipment that can kill if used improperly, like a bat or golf club. The fact that there are weapon competitions doesn't make the weapons less deadly.

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Great. Carpetbagger's kid.

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Did everyone miss that the dad of the girl is a wealth advisor in JC for the Dixon group from Australia that's been buying up a lot of real estate?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/natio ... -jersey-article-1.1929642

Posted on: 2014/9/6 2:40

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You're assuming too much. Shooting targets is shooting target. Not everyone who shoots targets is practicing to kill.

More delusion. They may not intend to put it to actual use, but that IS what they are doing. Imagine a competitive fishing rod caster saying he's not practicing to fish and it's completely unrelated to fishing.

Yeah, watch out for those deadly biathlon olympic athletes who shoot people, or these dangerous archers putting arrows through your hearts. Are you out of your mind?

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Did everyone miss that the dad of the girl is a wealth advisor in JC for the Dixon group from Australia that's been buying up a lot of real estate?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/natio ... -jersey-article-1.1929642

Posted on: 2014/9/5 23:57

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As an instructor, he failed miserably BIG TIME

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You're assuming too much. Shooting targets is shooting target. Not everyone who shoots targets is practicing to kill.

More delusion. They may not intend to put it to actual use, but that IS what they are doing. Imagine a competitive fishing rod caster saying he's not practicing to fish and it's completely unrelated to fishing.

How do you know what their intentions are? They are simply only shooting targets. Some only ever shoot targets and enjoy it for sport.

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Maybe the kid has a "taste for blood" now. Hope she doesn't live in Jersey City. Gun Instructor dude could just be the tip of the iceberg.

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You're assuming too much. Shooting targets is shooting target. Not everyone who shoots targets is practicing to kill.

More delusion. They may not intend to put it to actual use, but that IS what they are doing. Imagine a competitive fishing rod caster saying he's not practicing to fish and it's completely unrelated to fishing.

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Guns are designed to shoot bullets. No more, no less.

That's like saying cars are designed to turn their wheels, completely ignoring the point of that function. But that's par for the gun debate's disconnect from reality. Boris's "cars designed to burn gas" is similarly deliberately stupid. The point of a guns existence and history is to fire a bullet that kills something, just like a car's is to go somewhere, not drive around in circles on a track.

So when you shoot targets, are you killing them?

More deliberate stupid. I already said it, a gun's purpose is no more to shoot targets than a car's is to go around in circles. You can do either, even with a device manufactured for that purpose. But that doesn't get rid of the central idea: transportation on the one hand, death on the other. Shooting targets is practicing to kill. Denying it is either delusion or wordplay.

You're assuming too much. Shooting targets is shooting target. Not everyone who shoots targets is practicing to kill.

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Guns are designed to shoot bullets. No more, no less.

That's like saying cars are designed to turn their wheels, completely ignoring the point of that function. But that's par for the gun debate's disconnect from reality. Boris's "cars designed to burn gas" is similarly deliberately stupid. The point of a guns existence and history is to fire a bullet that kills something, just like a car's is to go somewhere, not drive around in circles on a track.

So when you shoot targets, are you killing them?

More deliberate stupid. I already said it, a gun's purpose is no more to shoot targets than a car's is to go around in circles. You can do either, even with a device manufactured for that purpose. But that doesn't get rid of the central idea: transportation on the one hand, death on the other. Shooting targets is practicing to kill. Denying it is either delusion or wordplay.

Posted on: 2014/9/5 15:43

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Must we leap on every tragedy and call for more regulations? The parents here weren't criminals, mental patients or terrorists. They did something stupid when they allowed a child to use a high-powered weapon. Laws will never wipe out stupid.

Posted on: 2014/9/5 14:47

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Firearms were invented for the purpose of winning wars. How do you win wars? You kill people, capture their territory and subjugate them. Like the nuclear bomb, it is not one of mankind's prouder achievements. You could argue it was a necessary evil at the time of its invention. Whatever the circumstances, it's not an invention any child needs to celebrate let alone play with like its an amusement park attraction.

The child was not playing with nor celebrating she was being instructed. The should be an decesending age limit such as driving, and alcohol consumption.

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Guns are designed to shoot bullets. No more, no less.

That's like saying cars are designed to turn their wheels, completely ignoring the point of that function. But that's par for the gun debate's disconnect from reality. Boris's "cars designed to burn gas" is similarly deliberately stupid. The point of a guns existence and history is to fire a bullet that kills something, just like a car's is to go somewhere, not drive around in circles on a track.

So when you shoot targets, are you killing them?

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Firearms were invented for the purpose of winning wars. How do you win wars? You kill people, capture their territory and subjugate them. Like the nuclear bomb, it is not one of mankind's prouder achievements. You could argue it was a necessary evil at the time of its invention. Whatever the circumstances, it's not an invention any child needs to celebrate let alone play with like its an amusement park attraction.

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Guns are designed to shoot bullets. No more, no less.

That's like saying cars are designed to turn their wheels, completely ignoring the point of that function. But that's par for the gun debate's disconnect from reality. Boris's "cars designed to burn gas" is similarly deliberately stupid. The point of a guns existence and history is to fire a bullet that kills something, just like a car's is to go somewhere, not drive around in circles on a track.

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Regardless of what is designed to do what, there are certain activities that, while potentially dangerous for adults, should be totally off limits to children. Even if seated next to the best driving instructor in the world, a 9 year old does not belong behind the wheel of a car.

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But at least a river is not DESIGNED to kill!

Idea that guns are designed to kill is like an idea that car engine is designed to burn gas.

Not sure what I mean? ok, let me explain. Sure, some car engines do burn gas.However, burning gas is not the purpose. It is not the goal. It is not something that an engine designer aimed to achieve and it is not why most of us use those engines.

How do I know that? The're ways, here is the simplest one: if we thought that a purpose of a car engine is to burn gas, we would have to consider an electrical engine 100% useless.

I am going to leave "what are guns designed for" as a home exercise.

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Here's a good one. Any parent who would let their daughter near a guy who likes guns is a F**KING MORON.

Not everyone shares your phobias.

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Duh, deadly weapons are FUN!! I wonder what the cops would think if my favorite pastime with the kids was mixing up deadly poisons.

Do you ever take your kids to a pool for swimming? Have you ever wondered how many kids drown each year in this country, - compared to how many people die from the gun-related accidents?

Almost everything that you do can be done in an unsafe way, against common sense and safety rules.

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The sad part is they're from Jersey.

The sad part is that the guy is dead.

This just might be the stupidest post ever on JC List.

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Guns are designed to shoot bullets. No more, no less.

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But at least a river is not DESIGNED to kill!

Idea that guns are designed to kill is like an idea that car engine is designed to burn gas.

Not sure what I mean? ok, let me explain. Sure, some car engines do burn gas.However, burning gas is not the purpose. It is not the goal. It is not something that an engine designer aimed to achieve and it is not why most of us use those engines.

How do I know that? The're ways, here is the simplest one: if we thought that a purpose of a car engine is to burn gas, we would have to consider an electrical engine 100% useless.

I am going to leave "what are guns designed for" as a home exercise.

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Here's a good one. Any parent who would let their daughter near a guy who likes guns is a F**KING MORON.

Not everyone shares your phobias.

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Duh, deadly weapons are FUN!! I wonder what the cops would think if my favorite pastime with the kids was mixing up deadly poisons.

Do you ever take your kids to a pool for swimming? Have you ever wondered how many kids drown each year in this country, - compared to how many people die from the gun-related accidents?

Almost everything that you do can be done in an unsafe way, against common sense and safety rules.

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The sad part is they're from Jersey.

The sad part is that the guy is dead.

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Here's a good one. Any parent who would let their daughter near a guy who likes guns is a F**KING MORON. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AFw74gPbvE

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Here's a great video about gun safety and how quickly it can go south. For some of you I guess it can be considered "whacking material". http://youtu.be/1rOOSk7yWkI

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Everyone involved will pay the price for that dumbness for the rest of their lives.

No "rest of life" for the instructor. But maybe a Darwin Award. Commentary on NYTimes.com last week said the Uzi is well known for pulling up and to the left.

Lots of unsafe things are fun, doesn't make them smart. Smart is choosing the right balance of risk/reward. My altime favorite sport is whitewater kayaking, where choosing poorly can be fatal. It takes insight and experience to gain such judgement, something a child is not capable of, and certainly some adults. But at least a river is not DESIGNED to kill!

So, you're saying gun ranges are unsafe. Based on what?

Who said anything about gun ranges? It's the guns that are inherently unsafe and designed to kill. From Cheney shooting his buddy to the kid who swept my son and several others on the range with a loaded 12ga because he turned to get his glasses, failures of safety protocols are destined to happen. A certain number of these will be fatal. Failures of safety happens in other sports too, but fish hooks or baseballs are not designed to kill.

So... no data about guns being unsafe, eh?

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Everyone involved will pay the price for that dumbness for the rest of their lives.

No "rest of life" for the instructor. But maybe a Darwin Award. Commentary on NYTimes.com last week said the Uzi is well known for pulling up and to the left.

Lots of unsafe things are fun, doesn't make them smart. Smart is choosing the right balance of risk/reward. My altime favorite sport is whitewater kayaking, where choosing poorly can be fatal. It takes insight and experience to gain such judgement, something a child is not capable of, and certainly some adults. But at least a river is not DESIGNED to kill!

So, you're saying gun ranges are unsafe. Based on what?

Who said anything about gun ranges? It's the guns that are inherently unsafe and designed to kill. From Cheney shooting his buddy to the kid who swept my son and several others on the range with a loaded 12ga because he turned to get his glasses, failures of safety protocols are destined to happen. A certain number of these will be fatal. Failures of safety happens in other sports too, but fish hooks or baseballs are not designed to kill.

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Everyone involved will pay the price for that dumbness for the rest of their lives.

No "rest of life" for the instructor. But maybe a Darwin Award. Commentary on NYTimes.com last week said the Uzi is well known for pulling up and to the left.

Lots of unsafe things are fun, doesn't make them smart. Smart is choosing the right balance of risk/reward. My altime favorite sport is whitewater kayaking, where choosing poorly can be fatal. It takes insight and experience to gain such judgement, something a child is not capable of, and certainly some adults. But at least a river is not DESIGNED to kill!

Yeah, you're way off on this. Everyone with experience in these things agrees that the instructor was doing a bad job of supervising, the parents shouldn't have allowed a little girl to use such a powerful weapon...gun control is serious topic for serious discussion. This accident isn't a part of that discussion.

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Everyone involved will pay the price for that dumbness for the rest of their lives.

No "rest of life" for the instructor. But maybe a Darwin Award. Commentary on NYTimes.com last week said the Uzi is well known for pulling up and to the left.

Lots of unsafe things are fun, doesn't make them smart. Smart is choosing the right balance of risk/reward. My altime favorite sport is whitewater kayaking, where choosing poorly can be fatal. It takes insight and experience to gain such judgement, something a child is not capable of, and certainly some adults. But at least a river is not DESIGNED to kill!

So, you're saying gun ranges are unsafe. Based on what?

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