Yvonne wrote:
People here do not want an honest discussion, they want to throw mud and attack instead. If this forum is how to make this the best mid size city then address the issues, you don't pretend graffiti does not exist, visitors have a limited parking or they are assaulted by the noise in the air. I have been living in JC longer than some of you have been alive and I have seen the changes in JC, some positive and other negative. People here want to pretend the negative does not exist. If JC collected information from visitors I am sure they would say something similar to my comments. So why doesn't the city collect and publish some honest data from people who do visit the city?

Yvonne wrote:
Yesterday I was at Liberty State Park. There was an musical event, if this city is going to be the best mid size city then perhaps the city can do a better job advertising events. After all, the city hired an assistant to cultural affairs. I saw some talented people there but the place was empty. This the group that was playing. I felt sorry they were playing to a small crowd and it was by chance I was there. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B008 ... TF8&qid=1408547429&sr=8-1

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Yvonne wrote:
People here do not want an honest discussion, they want to throw mud and attack instead. If this forum is how to make this the best mid size city then address the issues, you don't pretend graffiti does not exist, visitors have a limited parking or they are assaulted by the noise in the air. I have been living in JC longer than some of you have been alive and I have seen the changes in JC, some positive and other negative. People here want to pretend the negative does not exist. If JC collected information from visitors I am sure they would say something similar to my comments. So why doesn't the city collect and publish some honest data from people who do visit the city?

The only negative thing on this board that people want to pretend does not exist is YOU. You have NEVER once come on this board saying anything positive. You suck the life forces out of everything.

Please find your perfect little town and move there.

Yvonne wrote:
People here do not want an honest discussion, they want to throw mud and attack instead. If this forum is how to make this the best mid size city then address the issues, you don't pretend graffiti does not exist, visitors have a limited parking or they are assaulted by the noise in the air. I have been living in JC longer than some of you have been alive and I have seen the changes in JC, some positive and other negative. People here want to pretend the negative does not exist. If JC collected information from visitors I am sure they would say something similar to my comments. So why doesn't the city collect and publish some honest data from people who do visit the city?

Yvonne wrote:
People here do not want an honest discussion, they want to throw mud and attack instead. If this forum is how to make this the best mid size city then address the issues, you don't pretend graffiti does not exist, visitors have a limited parking or they are assaulted by the noise in the air. I have been living in JC longer than some of you have been alive and I have seen the changes in JC, some positive and other negative. People here want to pretend the negative does not exist. If JC collected information from visitors I am sure they would say something similar to my comments. So why doesn't the city collect and publish some honest data from people who do visit the city?

HeightsBrat wrote:
WHY would anyone with the issues Yvonne has with this city remain here when they no longer work here and have no reason to stay here? I'll tell you why. It's because, as they say, misery LOVES company and Yvonne is not happy unless she is crying doom and gloom about where she lives because it is the only way she can get attention. PLEASE, Yvonne, pack your tent and GO.

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Yvonne wrote:
I spend most of today in Philly and this is what I saw:
No graffiti, plenty of parks, no air planes or helicopters above citizen heads, mass transit plus plenty of parking for cars. Granted Philly is a city of 4 million people and not a mid size city but traffic is able to move unlike JC. The lack of graffiti and the abundance of parks and museums make the place very inviting. It also has the Reading Terminal as an unique place to eat. However, I will say our Churches, especially the Catholic Churches in JC are just as attractive as the churches in Philly. If the mayor plans on rebranding the city then he should not forget our places of worship.

As usual, making up "facts" to bolster your deluded claims. Let's see:

Philadelphia and helicopter noises: See Click Fix reports of helicopter noise

BTW, Philadelphia police conducts daily helicopter patrols. Their crime levels makes this a necessity.

Philadelphia population: 1.5 million. Not the 4 million you claim.

Traffic?? Are you SERIOUSLY claiming they are not affected by traffic??? You are CRAZY and IGNORANT. Any Philadelphia resident will tell you that traffic is AWFUL, particularly during rush hour. And, within the city core, it can slow down to a crawl at all kinds of hours. At night, traffic is very heavy in the entertainment/restaurant areas (old city, city center, etc).

Of course, take your one day in Philly (a weekend day at that!) and extrapolate to all kinds of crazy conclusions.

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jcdd wrote:
DevilsAdvocate: Don't assume. I am very familiar with Manhattan. My husband lived in a beautiful brownstone on the UWS 2 blocks from the park for over 15 years. We have both worked in Manhattan for a very long time. I know there are great neighborhoods. We have some fantastically wealthy family members that live in those most excellent neighborhoods. That being said, I no longer want to live there. Not everyone is as enamored with Manhattan as you may be. And for the record, I don't find the people in NYC to be particularly any more interesting than other areas of this world.

I don't even know what to say to this. There are objectively more people that are extremely accomplished in Manhattan than here. In addition to the numerous other advantages. There is just very little that JC does better without factoring money into the equation.

There are objectively more talented people than in JC in the following cities:

- Sofia, Bulgaria
- Ankara, Turkey
- Bratislava, Slovakia
- Novi Sad, Serbia
- Kuwait City
- Riga, Latvia

So move there.

For the record, I've lived in the East Village as well as JC. I prefer JC for exactly the reasons jcdd laid out. Looking forward to learning why I'm wrong.

Yvonne wrote:
I spend most of today in Philly and this is what I saw:
No graffiti, plenty of parks, no air planes or helicopters above citizen heads, mass transit plus plenty of parking for cars. Granted Philly is a city of 4 million people and not a mid size city but traffic is able to move unlike JC. The lack of graffiti and the abundance of parks and museums make the place very inviting. It also has the Reading Terminal as an unique place to eat. However, I will say our Churches, especially the Catholic Churches in JC are just as attractive as the churches in Philly. If the mayor plans on rebranding the city then he should not forget our places of worship.

Yvonne wrote:
It is interesting that the 3 photos on abandon property is lacking graffiti in Philly something that common in JC. Granted the video did show graffiti on public areas. I was in the Museum area, German Town, a poor area, and Fish Town another poor area, and I did not see graffiti hear helicopter or airplanes, saw public transportation that moved and plenty of areas for cars to park. The streets on all three areas had an abundance of people. Now let's compare JC, graffiti all over the place including the best areas including private homes. Poor public transportation and little parking for cars. Helicopters and airplanes buzzing overhead on a daily basis including Liberty State Park which would be a drawing card for visitors. I suggest my "attackers" visit Philly and see what I saw. If you want JC to be the best mid-sized city it should have some of the qualities that make people visit Philly. Philly's parks are outstanding.

Yvonne wrote:
I spend most of today in Philly and this is what I saw:
No graffiti, plenty of parks, no air planes or helicopters above citizen heads, mass transit plus plenty of parking for cars. Granted Philly is a city of 4 million people and not a mid size city but traffic is able to move unlike JC. The lack of graffiti and the abundance of parks and museums make the place very inviting. It also has the Reading Terminal as an unique place to eat. However, I will say our Churches, especially the Catholic Churches in JC are just as attractive as the churches in Philly. If the mayor plans on rebranding the city then he should not forget our places of worship.

Yvonne wrote:
I spend most of today in Philly and this is what I saw:
No graffiti, plenty of parks, no air planes or helicopters above citizen heads, mass transit plus plenty of parking for cars. Granted Philly is a city of 4 million people and not a mid size city but traffic is able to move unlike JC. The lack of graffiti and the abundance of parks and museums make the place very inviting. It also has the Reading Terminal as an unique place to eat. However, I will say our Churches, especially the Catholic Churches in JC are just as attractive as the churches in Philly. If the mayor plans on rebranding the city then he should not forget our places of worship.

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
Jesus, I hope we DON'T try to become a borough of NY or emulate NY in anyway ... when did NY ever win a 'BEST OF' in anything !

We should concentrate and be our own city they others will come over, study and try to emulate in their cities !

Obviously we wouldn't want to be an actual borough of NYC which wouldn't be possible (not in the same state) or desirable (don't want to pay NYC income tax, be subject to their gun laws or be run by their ultra-lib mayor). But people who are denying that 1. Manhattan is more desirable, and 2. that JC is ONLY on the map because of proximity to Manhattan are deluding themselves. But of course there is a lot we can do to make ourselves a better town compared to places like Brooklyn, Hoboken, Queens, etc. But I don't think anyone is going to start comparing us to say, Albany, NY, are they?

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jcdd wrote:
DevilsAdvocate: Don't assume. I am very familiar with Manhattan. My husband lived in a beautiful brownstone on the UWS 2 blocks from the park for over 15 years. We have both worked in Manhattan for a very long time. I know there are great neighborhoods. We have some fantastically wealthy family members that live in those most excellent neighborhoods. That being said, I no longer want to live there. Not everyone is as enamored with Manhattan as you may be. And for the record, I don't find the people in NYC to be particularly any more interesting than other areas of this world.

I don't even know what to say to this. There are objectively more people that are extremely accomplished in Manhattan than here. In addition to the numerous other advantages. There is just very little that JC does better without factoring money into the equation.

jcdd wrote:
DevilsAdvocate: Don't assume. I am very familiar with Manhattan. My husband lived in a beautiful brownstone on the UWS 2 blocks from the park for over 15 years. We have both worked in Manhattan for a very long time. I know there are great neighborhoods. We have some fantastically wealthy family members that live in those most excellent neighborhoods. That being said, I no longer want to live there. Not everyone is as enamored with Manhattan as you may be. And for the record, I don't find the people in NYC to be particularly any more interesting than other areas of this world.

fat-ass-bike wrote:
Jesus, I hope we DON'T try to become a borough of NY or emulate NY in anyway ... when did NY ever win a 'BEST OF' in anything !

We should concentrate and be our own city they others will come over, study and try to emulate in their cities !

jcdd wrote:
Speak for yourself, Devils advocate. Perhaps I would have liked to move to Manhattan in my early 20s, but never now. Now, with a family, living in New York City is simply too much of a hassle and doesn't hold the allure any longer. I can't stand how it takes forever to get off the island, particularly if you want to travel during the holidays. I personally no longer like how crowded it is and how transient it feels.
I like living in Jersey City because I can still commute to Manhattan for work and play but specifically do not have to live there. Drop me a billion dollars and I most certainly will not be moving to Manhattan. That being said, without the financial constraints of work, I'd probably be heading out of JC to a carribean island!