nyrgravey9 wrote:
Hey in the end you may be right. But, at least I get involved in my neighborhood and try to work to make changes on people's behalf unlike most of the pikers on here who just pontificate and contribute nothing but name calling and whatnot (a lot of brave people behind computer screens that's for sure). Win lose or draw most of you on here just complain and do nothing to try and change it. However, it was interesting/sad seeing how many dog owners there are in this town who use their dogs as proxies for not having children. It's almost scary how much some of you forget...it's an animal, not your child.

Like I said, no skin off my back either way. It was fun learning the process and subsequently seeing how truly inept some divisions of the city government are.

There are definitely more important issues to handle, I'll agree on that front. I sure hope all the go getters on here help to fight the McCabe bullsh*t, amongst other things. Unfortunately, most of you will probably just continue being the brave bloggers you are, shunning dissenting thought, pontificating your expert opinions and all that.

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Hey no skin off my back. For the record I think the dog barking complaint is silly. Not much you can do there. People want the dogs to be in dog runs, yet dont expect them to bark? However, points of creativity to the bull horn guy (no, that's not me).

But it looks like we have to light a fire under ACs asses to get stuff done. I was under the impression they were enforcing the leash laws until I saw this thread.

Again, appreciate the help and feedback guys.

I'll tell you their answer right now: "Well, we sometimes patrol and when we see dogs offleash we deal with it, but we don't spend all of our time doing that because we have better things to do than worry if some little man is angry because some people choose to take their dogs off leash. Please GFY." Except the last 2 sentences will be replaced with something that means the same thing but will be less polite like "unfortunately, our resources do not permit us to fully resolve your concerns. But thank you for your feedback."

In reality, things will never change because dog owners want to give their dogs time to run free, so they simply adapt to new challenges. They learn enforcement techniques, change locations, give each other head's up, etc. See, thing is that we care a lot more because we do this because we love our dogs and you do this because you're a dick.

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Hey no skin off my back. For the record I think the dog barking complaint is silly. Not much you can do there. People want the dogs to be in dog runs, yet dont expect them to bark? However, points of creativity to the bull horn guy (no, that's not me).

But it looks like we have to light a fire under ACs asses to get stuff done. I was under the impression they were enforcing the leash laws until I saw this thread.

Again, appreciate the help and feedback guys.

I'll tell you their answer right now: "Well, we sometimes patrol and when we see dogs offleash we deal with it, but we don't spend all of our time doing that because we have better things to do than worry if some little man is angry because some people choose to take their dogs off leash. Please GFY." Except the last 2 sentences will be replaced with something that means the same thing but will be less polite like "unfortunately, our resources do not permit us to fully resolve your concerns. But thank you for your feedback."

In reality, things will never change because dog owners want to give their dogs time to run free, so they simply adapt to new challenges. They learn enforcement techniques, change locations, give each other head's up, etc. See, thing is that we care a lot more because we do this because we love our dogs and you do this because you're a dick.

devilsadvocate wrote:
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nyrgravey9 wrote:
Hey no skin off my back. For the record I think the dog barking complaint is silly. Not much you can do there. People want the dogs to be in dog runs, yet dont expect them to bark? However, points of creativity to the bull horn guy (no, that's not me).

But it looks like we have to light a fire under ACs asses to get stuff done. I was under the impression they were enforcing the leash laws until I saw this thread.

Again, appreciate the help and feedback guys.

I'll tell you their answer right now: "Well, we sometimes patrol and when we see dogs offleash we deal with it, but we don't spend all of our time doing that because we have better things to do than worry if some little man is angry because some people choose to take their dogs off leash. Please GFY." Except the last 2 sentences will be replaced with something that means the same thing but will be less polite like "unfortunately, our resources do not permit us to fully resolve your concerns. But thank you for your feedback."

In reality, things will never change because dog owners want to give their dogs time to run free, so they simply adapt to new challenges. They learn enforcement techniques, change locations, give each other head's up, etc. See, thing is that we care a lot more because we do this because we love our dogs and you do this because you're a dick.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Hey no skin off my back. For the record I think the dog barking complaint is silly. Not much you can do there. People want the dogs to be in dog runs, yet dont expect them to bark? However, points of creativity to the bull horn guy (no, that's not me).

But it looks like we have to light a fire under ACs asses to get stuff done. I was under the impression they were enforcing the leash laws until I saw this thread.

Again, appreciate the help and feedback guys.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Well, the reason nothing has changed as of yet is because I (sadly) don't have the authority to go out there and write tickets. As such, we rely on the people who have the authority to do so, which sadly, they have not.

Paul Bellan Boyer the one running Animal Control and laid down assurances that tickets would be issued.

Thank you for letting us know this has not been the case. I'll be sure to forward along this thread to Candice and Paul and start cracking the whip.

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Speaking of which, supposedly that was coming to an end after their insane lobbying, yet from what I see there has been absolutely no change.

There has been very little change. I walk my dog (on a leash) daily through that park. It seems like the Parks & Recreation people there more frequently (or at least it seems to me), and when they're there dogs are on leashes. But when they're not, game on. I don't care either way. I prefer to keep my dog on a leash, but I'm not concerned by those who don't.

That's what I was getting at. DTJC was SWEARING that he would put an end to offleash dogs there. I laughed at him and noted that it would never happen.

Actually, the guy who came on here and PROMISED, WARNED AND ASSURED everyone that a crackdown was coming was nyrgravey9. You can refer to this link: JCLIST Thread - An Open Letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC.

In any case, as many predicted, nothing changed and (sadly) nothing is likely to change or improve. This shows the lack of commitment and dedication on the part of the city, even with this new administration.

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Speaking of which, supposedly that was coming to an end after their insane lobbying, yet from what I see there has been absolutely no change.

There has been very little change. I walk my dog (on a leash) daily through that park. It seems like the Parks & Recreation people there more frequently (or at least it seems to me), and when they're there dogs are on leashes. But when they're not, game on. I don't care either way. I prefer to keep my dog on a leash, but I'm not concerned by those who don't.

That's what I was getting at. DTJC was SWEARING that he would put an end to offleash dogs there. I laughed at him and noted that it would never happen.

Actually, the guy who came on here and PROMISED, WARNED AND ASSURED everyone that a crackdown was coming was nyrgravey9. You can refer to this link: JCLIST Thread - An Open Letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC.

In any case, as many predicted, nothing changed and (sadly) nothing is likely to change or improve. This shows the lack of commitment and dedication on the part of the city, even with this new administration.

vvparkster wrote:
Is anyone else living on Van Vorst Park sick of the constant barking in the dog run? I have lived on the Park for 20 years and this is just about the worst it has been. I think the run should be closed if the Owners refuse to control their dogs.

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Pretty sure it's illegal to leave dogs outside 24/7 if they don't have access to shelter. Call Animal Control. As far as dog-run barking? Well people wanted to pen them into small areas and this is the result.

But let me tell you something about the sort of people we're dealing with - at VVP there is an asshole with a MEGAPHONE that yells at people in the dog run when dogs bark. If ever there is insanity that needs the cops involved it is that guy rather than some yapping dogs in a dog run.

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devilsadvocate wrote:
Speaking of which, supposedly that was coming to an end after their insane lobbying, yet from what I see there has been absolutely no change.

There has been very little change. I walk my dog (on a leash) daily through that park. It seems like the Parks & Recreation people there more frequently (or at least it seems to me), and when they're there dogs are on leashes. But when they're not, game on. I don't care either way. I prefer to keep my dog on a leash, but I'm not concerned by those who don't.

That's what I was getting at. DTJC was SWEARING that he would put an end to offleash dogs there. I laughed at him and noted that it would never happen.

Actually, the guy who came on here and PROMISED, WARNED AND ASSURED everyone that a crackdown was coming was nyrgravey9. You can refer to this link: JCLIST Thread - An Open Letter to the Dog Owners of DTJC.

In any case, as many predicted, nothing changed and (sadly) nothing is likely to change or improve. This shows the lack of commitment and dedication on the part of the city, even with this new administration.

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Speaking of which, supposedly that was coming to an end after their insane lobbying, yet from what I see there has been absolutely no change.

There has been very little change. I walk my dog (on a leash) daily through that park. It seems like the Parks & Recreation people there more frequently (or at least it seems to me), and when they're there dogs are on leashes. But when they're not, game on. I don't care either way. I prefer to keep my dog on a leash, but I'm not concerned by those who don't.

That's what I was getting at. DTJC was SWEARING that he would put an end to offleash dogs there. I laughed at him and noted that it would never happen.

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Speaking of which, supposedly that was coming to an end after their insane lobbying, yet from what I see there has been absolutely no change.

There has been very little change. I walk my dog (on a leash) daily through that park. It seems like the Parks & Recreation people there more frequently (or at least it seems to me), and when they're there dogs are on leashes. But when they're not, game on. I don't care either way. I prefer to keep my dog on a leash, but I'm not concerned by those who don't.

devilsadvocate wrote:
Speaking of which, supposedly that was coming to an end after their insane lobbying, yet from what I see there has been absolutely no change.

dtjcview wrote:

Point is - that wasn't the point. It wasn't about yapping dogs in a dog run. But why not change the topic anytime it doesn't suit?

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Pretty sure it's illegal to leave dogs outside 24/7 if they don't have access to shelter. Call Animal Control. As far as dog-run barking? Well people wanted to pen them into small areas and this is the result.

I seriously doubt anyone is leaving dogs out 24/7 (or even for several hours), based on the whiners here. If they did then I would absolutely support calling AC. But this is the crowd that goes nuts at the idea that dogs are running off leash at Colgate Park. Speaking of which, supposedly that was coming to an end after their insane lobbying, yet from what I see there has been absolutely no change.

But let me tell you something about the sort of people we're dealing with - at VVP there is an asshole with a MEGAPHONE that yells at people in the dog run when dogs bark. If ever there is insanity that needs the cops involved it is that guy rather than some yapping dogs in a dog run.

"Jersey City Police, what is your emergency?"

"THERE ARE DOGS BARKING IN THE DOG RUN!"

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Pretty sure it's illegal to leave dogs outside 24/7 if they don't have access to shelter. Call Animal Control. As far as dog-run barking? Well people wanted to pen them into small areas and this is the result.

I seriously doubt anyone is leaving dogs out 24/7 (or even for several hours), based on the whiners here. If they did then I would absolutely support calling AC. But this is the crowd that goes nuts at the idea that dogs are running off leash at Colgate Park. Speaking of which, supposedly that was coming to an end after their insane lobbying, yet from what I see there has been absolutely no change.

But let me tell you something about the sort of people we're dealing with - at VVP there is an asshole with a MEGAPHONE that yells at people in the dog run when dogs bark. If ever there is insanity that needs the cops involved it is that guy rather than some yapping dogs in a dog run.

Vigilante wrote:
Pretty sure it's illegal to leave dogs outside 24/7 if they don't have access to shelter. Call Animal Control. As far as dog-run barking? Well people wanted to pen them into small areas and this is the result.

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devilsadvocate wrote:
So much whining in this thread. Jesus people, get a life. I especially appreciate the people whining about barking coming FROM A DOG PARK. You have truly lost your minds.

JCbiscuit wrote:
the people who live at 236 1st Street have decided to leave their barking beagles outside 24/7.

notes haven't helped. talking face-to-face hasn't, either.

the sound travels in a way that you can hardly hear it from the street in front of their building, so when the police arrive at 3am, they slow down, stick their heads out of the window, hear nothing, and move along.

around the corner on Erie, it is amplified and super obnoxious.

anybody else hearing this? or only those of us lucky enough to share a backyard with these charmers?

tommyc_37 wrote:
The barking is coming from a dog in the VVP dog run, which is also on the north side of the park. I'm assuming the dog's owner is present in the dog run. I think dogs are awesome, but loud barking that early in the morning is really irritating.

tommyc_37 wrote:
The barking is coming from a dog in the VVP dog run, which is also on the north side of the park. I'm assuming the dog's owner is present in the dog run. I think dogs are awesome, but loud barking that early in the morning is really irritating.