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greenville wrote:
Cadillac with Georgia licenses plates, drug deal gone bad I bet.

What's your point exactly? It seems like lots of people here in JCLIST (and, probably, all over DTJC) think that if crime is related to drug dealers, or low lifes, it is OK and not of importance and/or concern. The saying usually goes "hey, one low life taking out another low life... Winning! One less low life". The problem with this line of thinking is that (invariably) sooner or later this "self contained" pockets of crime and violence will spill out and start affecting the rest of population. If you look around at other places (both domestically, and internationally) this holds true. You can't turn a blind eye and say "drug deal gone bad, no implications for me/us". If you let drug dealers and criminals act with impunity, their actions and aims will grow bolder and bigger. And, at some point, that criminality that wasn't impacting you will start to encroach upon you.

bodhipooh wrote:
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greenville wrote:
Cadillac with Georgia licenses plates, drug deal gone bad I bet.

What's your point exactly? It seems like lots of people here in JCLIST (and, probably, all over DTJC) think that if crime is related to drug dealers, or low lifes, it is OK and not of importance and/or concern. The saying usually goes "hey, one low life taking out another low life... Winning! One less low life". The problem with this line of thinking is that (invariably) sooner or later this "self contained" pockets of crime and violence will spill out and start affecting the rest of population. If you look around at other places (both domestically, and internationally) this holds true. You can't turn a blind eye and say "drug deal gone bad, no implications for me/us". If you let drug dealers and criminals act with impunity, their actions and aims will grow bolder and bigger. And, at some point, that criminality that wasn't impacting you will start to encroach upon you.

greenville wrote:
Cadillac with Georgia licenses plates, drug deal gone bad I bet.

marullos88 wrote:
I live in the Heights and I love it. I find transportation to be very easy, but I live in the Northeastern section 3 blocks from buses, 4 blocks from light rail.

The intersection of Congress and Palisade is like the Center of the Transportation Universe for me. If I could have afforded a house here, I would have bought here. Manhattan friends from the UWS can easily take jitneys, the 123 or the 119 to come visit. And viceversa. I take the bus or lightrail to Hoboken PATH -by the way, I LOVE being able to use the Hoboken PATH. A lot less people in it. And we all have to go through the Hoboken station on the weekends/late nights.

I'm in the process of buying a house near the garfield light rail station and I'm sad I'll be using the Grove st Path again. I say again because I used to live in DTJC and remember envying the Hoboken PATH users so much. Their trains seemed less crowded, and for some weird reason, more frequent. Later I experienced this to be true, ha!

I will also miss the jitneys a lot, they are awesome, they take you everywhere, and there is one every 2 minutes! If only NJTransit were so reliable.


I do think that light rail stations are the real attraction when you don't know the neighborhood well enough to know if the buses are a good option. And, my husband hates all buses so he has a completely different view on this issue. He's all about the light rail.

Regarding the future of the Heights - I think it will continue to apprecciate, will get more interesting businesses and so on. There are two very active and very committed neighborhood associations that are making a big difference. And now there's a fancy coffee shop. Studies show that fancy coffee shops are basically the 'IT' factor associated with a neighborhood increase in property values, income levels, etc. Yes, it did feel ridiculous to write that sentence.

Plus, the Heights is very attractive to those coming from Hoboken since they can still walk to all the Hoboken bars/friends, or take the bus/light rail/.

All that said, I'm very excited to get know my new upcoming neighborhood and join the local associations and then come here and defend it on jclist!

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brewster wrote:

But what about what you quoted me on? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_rapid_transit The .

Agree it can work, if you have room for it. It would eliminate the problem of waiting for the bus, which is very late, only to have 3 buses show up at once. That used to drive me nuts back in the days when I took the 87 to work.

I just don't see it happening because our streets are too skinny and the need for street parking is too high.

brewster wrote:

But what about what you quoted me on? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_rapid_transit The .

user1111 wrote:
You guys need more light rails, I been seeing yuppies every weekend looking at properties in my area due to the light rail.

MDM wrote:
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In real reality, what would be killer is what's known as BRT (bus rapid transit): make "bus only" lanes on Summit with express only stops, not every block or 2. Up to the Lincoln & PA terminal, down to JSQ Station. But talk about losing parking along one side of Summit the whole way and people would crap their pants.

Crap like this I always think about (sometimes at the expense of getting actual work done). The Bergen Arches have a right of ways available to tie them into the existing HBLR line.

Figuring out how to pay for it all is the killer. The Hudson Tubes (private company that ran the PATH) covered part of the cost by building office buildings above their stations in lower Manhattan. Maybe air rights to build some R-3/R-4 developments over the stations? Singapore does something similar to finance the expansion of their system. That was the best system I ever rode on back in 2000.

I just don't think a street level system will work in the Heights. Downtown had enough old right of ways to limit the street disruption. The Heights just doesn't have that. You need a heaven / hell strategy. You are going to build above or below.

brewster wrote:


In real reality, what would be killer is what's known as BRT (bus rapid transit): make "bus only" lanes on Summit with express only stops, not every block or 2. Up to the Lincoln & PA terminal, down to JSQ Station. But talk about losing parking along one side of Summit the whole way and people would crap their pants.

Prismatic wrote:


Apparently JC did have something like this back in the day.

http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/PSNJ_Hoboken-Jersey_City_Elevated

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user1111 wrote:
You guys need more light rails

user1111 wrote:
You guys need more light rails, I been seeing yuppies every

It would be awesome to have a subway version of the light rail under Central or Summit ave. Somehow I doubt the billion $s to build it will ever become available.

I guess you could build something like the Bangkok Sky Train.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ynU7bVE-QRU

Apparently JC did have something like this back in the day.

http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/PSNJ_Hoboken-Jersey_City_Elevated

MDM wrote:
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user1111 wrote:
You guys need more light rails

user1111 wrote:
You guys need more light rails, I been seeing yuppies every

user1111 wrote:
You guys need more light rails, I been seeing yuppies every weekend looking at properties in my area due to the light rail. If you guys had a few more light rail stations the heights would be more desirable then dtjc... no one I know trust jitneys. When I go to the heights it has the Bayonne feeling, a sleepy bedroom town.

user1111 wrote:
You guys need more light rails

heights wrote:
http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... edition.html#incart_river
The future is in the eyes and hands of the beholder.
The Reservoir up in the Heights conducts research of plant species and reviving aquatic life for grade school students.
Check out the photos at the end of the article.

Baron-Bay wrote:
The Heights needs to be "broken up" into smaller neighborhoods. Just as Downtown is a collection of smaller parcels (Van Voorst, Paulus Hook, Hamilton Park, etc etc).

Anyone with an interest in the future of The Heights, realtors included, should lobby for this. The value cannot be overstated, I believe.

Smaller enclaves will foster civic pride and generate friendly competition. Realtors will find it easier to pitch houses and values will increase, in certain sections at first, but ultimately overall. There is an exciting sense of arrival and departure when, Downtown, you pass one of those attractive green signs that indicate a new region/neighborhood.

The Heights' character varies considerably throughout, and the new tags could capture this. Landmarks could provide the cues.

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:

If I couldn't be in Downtown or Hoboken, my next choice would be JSQ- and I think most commuters would agree. 24/7 PATH to WTC and 33, right off 1/9, cheap cab to downtown or Hoboken- and some parts you can walk down Newark Ave to downtown anyway.

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tommyc_37 wrote:
My only question is, if somebody is priced out of DTJC, why wouldn't they move to a place in the outer boroughs that is cheaper than DTJC but has subway access? Or even JSQ?

As far as JSQ is concerned, I have yet to find an area that is attractive. There's no open space -- aside from the empty lots around the PATH --