fat-ass-bike wrote:
http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racist-countries/

The US wins every poll.

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Monroe wrote:
Heights, closed to 100% of black votes went to Obama in both elections, showing how they identify him. Of course, if close to 100% of white voters voted for the white candidates, it would be called racism.

So yes, black Americans overwhelmingly claim President Obama as their own, regardless of his bi-racial roots or where his father was from.

Um no, rather blacks had basic common sense in not casting their votes for McCain/Palin (the mere prospect of her being president if something happened to McCain is mind boggling) and Romney/Ryan (binders full of women, corporations are people, 47% of people are leeches when he hardly pays any taxes and a party that relishes going to war).

Also, sometimes mixed people identify as black in part because of how they are perceived and treated (I think Obama said something about him having trouble getting cabs in NYC when he was younger and saying the cab drivers weren't thinking, "oh my mom is white and I was raised by white people"). My father is basically bi-racial and that did not help him in the Jim Crow south. I swear the troglodytes on here, Geez Louise.

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racist-countries/

The US wins every poll.

seems legit

Monroe wrote:
Heights, closed to 100% of black votes went to Obama in both elections, showing how they identify him. Of course, if close to 100% of white voters voted for the white candidates, it would be called racism.

So yes, black Americans overwhelmingly claim President Obama as their own, regardless of his bi-racial roots or where his father was from.

The ln(Total Crime) model shows that holding the other variables constant, a 1% increase in poverty leads to a 2.16% increase in total crime. This coefficient is significant at the 0.6% level. The ln(Violent Crime) model shows that a 1% increase in poverty leads to a 2.57% increase in violent crime and is significant only at the 5.1% level.

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Conclusion: Evidence greatly suggests that increases in poverty lead to increased violent crime. Evidence from this paper also suggests the same for all seven index crimes and careful studies can yield more verification of the matter.

VanVorster wrote:
Perhaps I wasn't clear. Yes, I agree with you simply knowing black people (or any other group for that matter) on a deep level does of course does not mean you know what "black people" are like as group/race. We're not a monolithic group anymore than whites are and the black experience is multi-faceted. However, I find that several of the posters on here are seemingly bereft of any context of history and oblivious to how life might operate for them (because they are white) versus others who have black skin; and just read the National Review and watch Fox News and profess to have all the answers (e.g. "blacks be like Asians," "just don't wear hoodies or saggy pants and you won't get shot, duh" "well maybe that guy provoked the cops into the chokehold and he shouldn't have been obese" "we're all the same, we're post racial damn it, we have a black man for President for Christ's sake"). And when one doesn't have any friends who aren't black (or Asian, Latino, Gay, Disabled), it can sometimes lead to nonsense like this incident with Bill O'Reilly. I have plenty of close white friends (since elementary school) and some have told me how much they've learned about race that they wouldn't otherwise have known or thought about. http://mediamatters.org/research/2007 ... o-difference-betwe/139893

Ignorance can be bliss or a way to inoculate oneself to realities. And what's truly sad is that once someone mentions race on here, some of you or rather the usual 5 or 6 people on here readily discount it like it's sheer nonsense make believe and in a very mean-spirited repugnant manner I might add. Perhaps give it some credence for those who actually endure it.
http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/17-things-yes-all-black-people/

jctexan wrote:
If you look at the original study, you'll see the majority of the Asians are immigrants, where the language barrier and the choice to live in high-cost real estate areas, rather than institutional racism, keep them in poverty. This is also a fairly recent influx of immigrants (post 60s).

But if you truly see this as having the same impact systemically on an entire racial group in the U.S. generation after generation here, then there isn't really any point in discussing it. I mean that without any sarcasm.

jctexan wrote:
I don't think knowing a certain number of black people on a deep level allows you to know what "black people" are like as a race/group. That's racism by definition (racial stereotyping that directly leads to racism). All people are unique. You can't apply a few qualities/ideals of a few black people to an entire race; it doesn't work that way.

I think Pebble makes some great points. This argument/discussion should be about poverty, not about black people. I think that's the biggest problem with what that reporter said.

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Do you have a key to unlock the peer-pressure riddle? Do you know how to get kids to move away from thinking about now to thinking about the future? I sure as hell don?t. I imagine some really ingenious marketers could take a stab at it and possibly make a dent, but it really hasn?t been tried.

This. This is it. I don't really know either, though I offered the solution of getting better role models for the community in the hopes it would influence the kids.

But this is identifying the problem, and I think if the country started asking this question - as opposed to being petrified to discussing the issue - people far smarter than both of us could work on a solution.

The petrification I mention is precisely why you said it hasn't really been tried.

And I do agree the other factors previously discussed play a role, but I think if kids made a serious effort to thinking about the future, collectively they will be MUCH better off in 40 years than under the status quo.

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Wishful_Thinking wrote:
So - has this idiot been hired by Fox News yet?

Since what he said is basically similar to what President Obama said, do you call Obama an idiot as well?

When did Obama try to claim that a cop's murder was a direct result of black kids growing up father-less?

He predicted it.

You and I know how true this is in the African-American community. We know that more than half of all black children live in single-parent households, a number that has doubled - doubled - since we were children. We know the statistics - that children who grow up without a father are five times more likely to live in poverty and commit crime; nine times more likely to drop out of schools and twenty times more likely to end up in prison. They are more likely to have behavioral problems, or run away from home, or become teenage parents themselves. And the foundations of our community are weaker because of it.

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jctexan wrote:
I don't think knowing a certain number of black people on a deep level allows you to know what "black people" are like as a race/group. That's racism by definition (racial stereotyping that directly leads to racism). All people are unique. You can't apply a few qualities/ideals of a few black people to an entire race; it doesn't work that way.

I think Pebble makes some great points. This argument/discussion should be about poverty, not about black people. I think that's the biggest problem with what that reporter said.

Ok, let's talk about poverty. Do you know which racial group has the highest poverty rate in NYC? Asians.

29% live below the poverty level, compared to 26% of Hispanics, 23% of blacks and 14% of whites.

Guess this indisputable fact blows up the "progressive" narrative. And it suggests the reporter was more correct than many want to admit.

http://nypost.com/2014/07/19/why-nycs ... -will-punish-poor-asians/

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Wishful_Thinking wrote:
So - has this idiot been hired by Fox News yet?

Since what he said is basically similar to what President Obama said, do you call Obama an idiot as well?

When did Obama try to claim that a cop's murder was a direct result of black kids growing up father-less?

Pebble wrote:

Do you have a key to unlock the peer-pressure riddle? Do you know how to get kids to move away from thinking about now to thinking about the future? I sure as hell don?t. I imagine some really ingenious marketers could take a stab at it and possibly make a dent, but it really hasn?t been tried.

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Wishful_Thinking wrote:
So - has this idiot been hired by Fox News yet?

Since what he said is basically similar to what President Obama said, do you call Obama an idiot as well?

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In essence, I think you want to argue that it is a ?black culture? problem when in reality it is an ?American culture? problem.

The reality is without African American culture America really has no culture. from music, food, to fashion. This is what pisses most whites off. I get that.

White Americans have not lived here for thousands of years developing a culture organically through our indigenous presence. We are relative newcomers and our culture is a fairly new creation. As that development took place, we created conditions in which ?our? country holds a significant population of people of African heritage, as well of Latino heritage and Asian heritage. Native Americans, of course, have been here all along. So our central culture is not so much a natural, organic development, but rather one significantly shaped by historical and political events of conquest and control.

Wishful_Thinking wrote:
So - has this idiot been hired by Fox News yet?

fat-ass-bike wrote:
http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racist-countries/

The US wins every poll.

In essence, I think you want to argue that it is a ?black culture? problem when in reality it is an ?American culture? problem.

JCMan8 wrote:
I believe it existed for decades past but nowadays is used as the ultimate crutch.

JCMan8 wrote:
I also find it curious how we are now trying to shift the discussion from poverty to types of poverty. As if the only poverty that "counts" is that influenced by "institutional racism" and we can discount other types of poverty.

If you are not persuaded by that article, neither of us will get anywhere. Ultimately I think we both see the best course of action is to agree to disagree.

fat-ass-bike wrote:
http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racist-countries/

The US wins every poll.

jctexan wrote:
I don't think knowing a certain number of black people on a deep level allows you to know what "black people" are like as a race/group. That's racism by definition (racial stereotyping that directly leads to racism). All people are unique. You can't apply a few qualities/ideals of a few black people to an entire race; it doesn't work that way.

I think Pebble makes some great points. This argument/discussion should be about poverty, not about black people. I think that's the biggest problem with what that reporter said.

jctexan wrote:
If you look at the original study, you'll see the majority of the Asians are immigrants, where the language barrier and the choice to live in high-cost real estate areas, rather than institutional racism, keep them in poverty. This is also a fairly recent influx of immigrants (post 60s).

But if you truly see this as having the same impact systemically on an entire racial group in the U.S. generation after generation here, then there isn't really any point in discussing it. I mean that without any sarcasm.

jctexan wrote:
I don't think knowing a certain number of black people on a deep level allows you to know what "black people" are like as a race/group. That's racism by definition (racial stereotyping that directly leads to racism). All people are unique. You can't apply a few qualities/ideals of a few black people to an entire race; it doesn't work that way.

I think Pebble makes some great points. This argument/discussion should be about poverty, not about black people. I think that's the biggest problem with what that reporter said.