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fat-ass-bike wrote:
So long as there are no strings attached with the donation or as a result of some sort of illegal activity, take all the money on offer ... by the way, how much have you donated score09 with no strings attached ?

Were other Mayor's able to attract these sorts of funds - No doubt these funds will benefit from some sort of tax relief from the IRS for the donor, but that's ok as it will benefit kids of JC now and the future.

To take the rhetoric down a notch -

First the loonies complain that the billionaires don't do enough for the poor.

Then a few step up to help one of the worst school systems in the state.

And the loonies complain.

Why? Because they want to be given the money to do what THEY want to do. Without earning the money themselves. Isn't that amusing and sad at the same time?

Of course we do Monroe. That's because the billionaires are billionaires at the expense of the poor.

And no, they aren't "stepping up" in order to "help" or because of some altruistic motive. They are stepping up to profit. Don't you see that?

And no Monroe, we don't want money to do what we want to do. We want fairness and equity in public education, so that ALL kids have a shot at the big time, not just those that live in wealthy districts.

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On Memorial Day 2013 Wal Mart promised to hire 100,000 veterans over the next five years.

One year later, they hired 42,000 of our returning heroes, who risk their lives to keep us safe.

Don't like Wal Mart? Don't work there. One more job for a veteran.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/05/23 ... rans-commitment/20891551/

I'm sure veterans that serve our nation are thrilled to be given a minimum wage job on their return from duty to support their family, as do many burger flippers at McD's

On Memorial Day 2013 Wal Mart promised to hire 100,000 veterans over the next five years.

One year later, they hired 42,000 of our returning heroes, who risk their lives to keep us safe.

Don't like Wal Mart? Don't work there. One more job for a veteran.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/05/23 ... rans-commitment/20891551/

teachparentlove wrote:
Of course there are strings attached. Very successful people have so many charity obligations that they don't give to causes they believe in the give to causes that benefit them to give to.

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
So long as there are no strings attached with the donation or as a result of some sort of illegal activity, take all the money on offer ... by the way, how much have you donated score09 with no strings attached ?

Were other Mayor's able to attract these sorts of funds - No doubt these funds will benefit from some sort of tax relief from the IRS for the donor, but that's ok as it will benefit kids of JC now and the future.

JPhurst wrote:
Can anyone actually explain what this "institute" will be doing? Certainly training teachers to become principals and administrators is not a bad thing. But is this going to become some sort of alternative track that will implement half baked reforms being implemented under the guise of "thinking outside the box" and "taking on the entrenched interests?"

New York City had a similar "Leadership Institute" that didn't really do much except send their trainees with chips on the shoulders into the schools and piss the faculty off without actually improving performance.

JPhurst wrote:
Can anyone actually explain what this "institute" will be doing? Certainly training teachers to become principals and administrators is not a bad thing. But is this going to become some sort of alternative track that will implement half baked reforms being implemented under the guise of "thinking outside the box" and "taking on the entrenched interests?"

New York City had a similar "Leadership Institute" that didn't really do much except send their trainees with chips on the shoulders into the schools and piss the faculty off without actually improving performance.

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
No doubt these funds will benefit from some sort of tax relief from the IRS for the donor, but that's ok as it will benefit kids of JC now and the future.

Hmmm. I wonder how kids in JC will benefit from an imposed curriculum designed to benefit the economic elite. For starters, we have at issue the dominant elite modality of "cultural invasion," wherein, public schools now become fiefdoms for hedge fund billionaires looking to mint good corporate Americans, as opposed to Americans.

Second, there exists the dominant elite modality of "conquest." Once in the door, the no strings attached clause goes out the window. Now we have curriculum designed to support a socioeconomic system as opposed to one dedicated to education.

And lastly, there is the dominant elite modality of "manipulation," wherein the societal forces intended to protect the citizenry have been purchased and paid for by the dominant elite, as is the current case with the Jersey City BOE members whose campaigns were financed or at least aided by these so called "reform" minded billionaires.

Wow, what a great benefit to the kids of Jersey City, lol. The business of education is about education and not about churning out good corporate Americans.

JPhurst wrote:
Can anyone actually explain what this "institute" will be doing? Certainly training teachers to become principals and administrators is not a bad thing. But is this going to become some sort of alternative track that will implement half baked reforms being implemented under the guise of "thinking outside the box" and "taking on the entrenched interests?"

New York City had a similar "Leadership Institute" that didn't really do much except send their trainees with chips on the shoulders into the schools and piss the faculty off without actually improving performance.

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Monroe wrote:

On Memorial Day 2013 Wal Mart promised to hire 100,000 veterans over the next five years.

One year later, they hired 42,000 of our returning heroes, who risk their lives to keep us safe.

Don't like Wal Mart? Don't work there. One more job for a veteran.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/05/23 ... rans-commitment/20891551/

Oh yeah, what they payin' 'em? They covering medical benefits for PTSD?

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
So long as there are no strings attached with the donation or as a result of some sort of illegal activity, take all the money on offer ... by the way, how much have you donated score09 with no strings attached ?

Were other Mayor's able to attract these sorts of funds - No doubt these funds will benefit from some sort of tax relief from the IRS for the donor, but that's ok as it will benefit kids of JC now and the future.

First the loonies complain that the billionaires don't do enough for the poor.

Then a few step up to help one of the worst school systems in the state.

And the loonies complain.

Why? Because they want to be given the money to do what THEY want to do. Without earning the money themselves. Isn't that amusing and sad at the same time?

Of course we do Monroe. That's because the billionaires are billionaires at the expense of the poor.

And no, they aren't "stepping up" in order to "help" or because of some altruistic motive. They are stepping up to profit. Don't you see that?

And no Monroe, we don't want money to do what we want to do. We want fairness and equity in public education, so that ALL kids have a shot at the big time, not just those that live in wealthy districts.

Score, that's what the Abbott program is supposed to do-JC has received BILLIONS OF DOLLARS provided by the tax earners in NJ to the detriment of their own families. And the existing system has squandered it, failed, and has abrogated their right to control their own destiny.

And while you rail against the earners re:education, what say you about the 'intellectual elite' that run our nations universities? Almost all are ideologically liberal, yet the cost of college has risen so much faster than inflation as to make higher education either unaffordable EXCEPT for the wealthy, or saddles those without wealthy families to take out huge college loans.

Yet the universities pay their leaders huge salaries with incredible perks, professors are very well paid, great pensions, often for tiny classroom duties, course curriculums are often unrelated to real life employment, and the looney mindset leads to suppression on campus of opposing views.

Where's the outrage? Why do the liberal elite scheme to make college unaffordable for the middle and lower class, while they enjoy cushy jobs in idyllic campus settings?

Alright, some good points. And agreed, the cost of a college education is just outrageous, even at public universities as was talked about in the excellent documentary "Inside Job."

It is my contention that we as a society are increasingly divided along class lines, as opposed to say, race. It is known to the dominate elite that a divided society is easier to manipulate; that it is more pliable and capable of being molded to suit the interests of the dominant 1 percent.

My call is one that seeks to unite the oppressed, which I define as anyone not part of the elite. When the oppressed are united, liberation is then possible. Otherwise, the dominant elite will plunder further. The people become subjects or objects, used and dominated to carry out the dominant objective, which is capital accumulation. So, the people then are subjects, they are viewed as pawns or tools to be used by the dominant and they cease to be viewed as human.

This system is inhumane. The good news however is that it isn't tenable.

Monroe wrote:

On Memorial Day 2013 Wal Mart promised to hire 100,000 veterans over the next five years.

One year later, they hired 42,000 of our returning heroes, who risk their lives to keep us safe.

Don't like Wal Mart? Don't work there. One more job for a veteran.

http://www.aol.com/article/2014/05/23 ... rans-commitment/20891551/

Monroe wrote:
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fat-ass-bike wrote:
So long as there are no strings attached with the donation or as a result of some sort of illegal activity, take all the money on offer ... by the way, how much have you donated score09 with no strings attached ?

Were other Mayor's able to attract these sorts of funds - No doubt these funds will benefit from some sort of tax relief from the IRS for the donor, but that's ok as it will benefit kids of JC now and the future.

First the loonies complain that the billionaires don't do enough for the poor.

Then a few step up to help one of the worst school systems in the state.

And the loonies complain.

Why? Because they want to be given the money to do what THEY want to do. Without earning the money themselves. Isn't that amusing and sad at the same time?

Of course we do Monroe. That's because the billionaires are billionaires at the expense of the poor.

And no, they aren't "stepping up" in order to "help" or because of some altruistic motive. They are stepping up to profit. Don't you see that?

And no Monroe, we don't want money to do what we want to do. We want fairness and equity in public education, so that ALL kids have a shot at the big time, not just those that live in wealthy districts.

Score, that's what the Abbott program is supposed to do-JC has received BILLIONS OF DOLLARS provided by the tax earners in NJ to the detriment of their own families. And the existing system has squandered it, failed, and has abrogated their right to control their own destiny.

And while you rail against the earners re:education, what say you about the 'intellectual elite' that run our nations universities? Almost all are ideologically liberal, yet the cost of college has risen so much faster than inflation as to make higher education either unaffordable EXCEPT for the wealthy, or saddles those without wealthy families to take out huge college loans.

Yet the universities pay their leaders huge salaries with incredible perks, professors are very well paid, great pensions, often for tiny classroom duties, course curriculums are often unrelated to real life employment, and the looney mindset leads to suppression on campus of opposing views.

Where's the outrage? Why do the liberal elite scheme to make college unaffordable for the middle and lower class, while they enjoy cushy jobs in idyllic campus settings?

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MDM wrote:

How do you make money off the poor when they have no money?

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TheBigGuy wrote:
Let's hope there are more controls in place to watch these charitable donations... none of that Zuckerberg money donated to Newark Schools ever made it to the kids.

If you have any insight please share...where did the money actually go then ?

score09 wrote:

Of course we do Monroe. That's because the billionaires are billionaires at the expense of the poor.

score09 wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
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fat-ass-bike wrote:
So long as there are no strings attached with the donation or as a result of some sort of illegal activity, take all the money on offer ... by the way, how much have you donated score09 with no strings attached ?

Were other Mayor's able to attract these sorts of funds - No doubt these funds will benefit from some sort of tax relief from the IRS for the donor, but that's ok as it will benefit kids of JC now and the future.

First the loonies complain that the billionaires don't do enough for the poor.

Then a few step up to help one of the worst school systems in the state.

And the loonies complain.

Why? Because they want to be given the money to do what THEY want to do. Without earning the money themselves. Isn't that amusing and sad at the same time?

Of course we do Monroe. That's because the billionaires are billionaires at the expense of the poor.

And no, they aren't "stepping up" in order to "help" or because of some altruistic motive. They are stepping up to profit. Don't you see that?

And no Monroe, we don't want money to do what we want to do. We want fairness and equity in public education, so that ALL kids have a shot at the big time, not just those that live in wealthy districts.

Monroe wrote:
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fat-ass-bike wrote:
So long as there are no strings attached with the donation or as a result of some sort of illegal activity, take all the money on offer ... by the way, how much have you donated score09 with no strings attached ?

Were other Mayor's able to attract these sorts of funds - No doubt these funds will benefit from some sort of tax relief from the IRS for the donor, but that's ok as it will benefit kids of JC now and the future.

First the loonies complain that the billionaires don't do enough for the poor.

Then a few step up to help one of the worst school systems in the state.

And the loonies complain.

Why? Because they want to be given the money to do what THEY want to do. Without earning the money themselves. Isn't that amusing and sad at the same time?

fat-ass-bike wrote:
No doubt these funds will benefit from some sort of tax relief from the IRS for the donor, but that's ok as it will benefit kids of JC now and the future.

fat-ass-bike wrote:
So long as there are no strings attached with the donation or as a result of some sort of illegal activity, take all the money on offer ... by the way, how much have you donated score09 with no strings attached ?

Were other Mayor's able to attract these sorts of funds - No doubt these funds will benefit from some sort of tax relief from the IRS for the donor, but that's ok as it will benefit kids of JC now and the future.

dtjcview wrote:
@Bodhipooh - ongoing payments for grade averages is very different to a graduation fund. Persuading a kid from a low-income family that there's something worth waiting for and working for, is far easier than trying to motivate a kid that has zero opportunities, and zero hope of paying college after graduation. I came from a low-income single-parent family, and I speak from personal experience when I say that having a free college place on the line motivated me hugely. Every kid deserves that opportunity. Plus, I'd bet kids in the UAE are very different to low-income kids in JC.

@Monroe - I wouldn't complicate the process by arguing over who pays. Pay it out of existing sources. Whether state funding gets reduced, abated developments pay more, or other programs like Abbott get cut - I think are separate arguments that will play their course.