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If you compare Georgia vs Ukraine you'll note there is quite the difference between the two strategically to the USA. Also, the incursion in Ukraine comes on the heels of Putin embarrassing the USA in Syria and with Iran. Putin spitting into Obama's eyes time and time again make the Bush/Georgia comparison very, very weak.

But no visas for you! makes Obama look like the Soup Nazi telling off a customer.

Don't kid yourself, the US will never intervene to keep the peace while the Ukraines try to have elections - there is simply nothing in for us - We learnt from our intervention in the former Yugoslavia.
If the Russians want to move in to help keep the peace until they have elections, then thats great - I have little doubt that Russia will want to manage / take-over the Ukraine either ... they have nothing really to offer and would be a burden on their finances.

But this is all off the topic that Christie is a knuckle-head!

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If Obama is held to anywhere the same 'standards' as some here seem to feel Christie should be held . . well, impeachment would have started a long time ago.

IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, checking reporter phone records, just to start.

And a traffic jam Christie didn't know about, or order, or was involved with is a big deal for a potential POTUS candidate?

As opposed to the blood of four Americans on the hands of Hilary Clinton?

The difference is in scale. There are a million federal agencies. Yes, it is conceivable that low level employees in those organizations (IRS local office) can do things that Obama did not order or was aware of.

It is tougher to make that argument for Benghazi, but I think that implicated Hillary Clinton far more so than Obama. And I think if she were to run for President, she will be facing tons of Benghazi related questioning, with good reason.

In contract to the federal government, the NJ government is far more tight-knit, especially the relationship between Christie's office and the Port Authority. Have you been following the news about the Port Authority? They basically serve as an extension of Christie.

It is staggeringly implausible that the highest-level employees in Christie's office and the Port Authority were carrying out these type of orders (political retaliation) and Christie had absolutely no knowledge or involvement. That's why he's getting killed in the press, because he's lying his ass off.

After the bridge scandle Christie is no longer the darling of Democrats. Republicans who think he is a RINO will hammer him with this in the primary elections.

I don't think Bengazi will hurt Hilary Clinton. I think people who don't watch Fox "News" believe it was another attack by crazy people who hate America. I just find it depressing that she's running. Obama was part of the Chicago Clinton cabal long before he ran for president. His presidency has shattered any illusions I had that politicians can be more than lying con artists. These days I think they're all, Democrats and Republicans, corporatists. They're in it for themselves. Anyone who is more than that is weeded out of the process before they can come close to winning the presidential primary election.

I agree with you 100%. We live in a plutocracy and the national presidential election is a sham to give people the illusion of control. In fact, one form of corruption is so rampant in America there's a term for it, google "regulatory capture."

That's why I'm one of the few who voted third party (Libertarian) last election. People say it's "throwing your vote away" but it actually felt very liberating, like my vote counted.

If Clinton wins the primary, unless there is a truly all star Republican candidate I plan on voting third party again. You may want to consider it.

Bernie Sanders just confirmed (informally) that he's going to run for president. I'm planning on getting involved with his campaign for the same reason you backed Ron Paul.

Monroe wrote:
If you compare Georgia vs Ukraine you'll note there is quite the difference between the two strategically to the USA. Also, the incursion in Ukraine comes on the heels of Putin embarrassing the USA in Syria and with Iran. Putin spitting into Obama's eyes time and time again make the Bush/Georgia comparison very, very weak.

But no visas for you! makes Obama look like the Soup Nazi telling off a customer.

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Pebs, I didn't say go to war with Putin, I said go Jersey on him.

Show some emotion-and some balls. Start putting the anti-Iranian missile batteries in Poland. Say we're changing our mind and not decimating our military, with a focus on Europe. Immediately give the Keystone pipeline a go, freeing up more oil for export to Europe.

Putin's laughing in Obama's face-oooh, don't take away our visas!

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As compared to our two previous Governors-one had a out of wedlock affair with the President of a union that represents half of NJ state employees (imagine the pillow talk) and the other had an out of wedlock affair with another man, who he illegally appointed (as a foreign national) as head of NJ Homeland Security, post 9/11.

And some staffers of Christie caused a traffic jam, which he didn't know about, is important? btw, do we have an email, a text, a memo, or a tape connecting him to the orange cones going up?

When we're talking about 2016, it'll be about Bridgegate vs Benghazi. Maybe then we'll get to the 'immaculate concussion' Hilary suffered when it was convenient? Did we ever get to the bottom of that, lol?

Monroe wrote:
More bad news for the conspiracy theory looney Christie haters.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... html#incart_river_default

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More bad news for the conspiracy theory looney Christie haters...

The Governor doesn?t have to commit a single crime in order to demonstrate his difficultly handing emotions in a manner appropriate for an adult in high office, much less for a President with access to the football. He?s done it many times over. Regardless of their various shortcomings, the men who have occupied the Oval Office have generally been calm, cool, and collected. Christie?s bluster is more commonly seen among the world?s despotic leaders, and has no place in our nation?s highest office.

Are you kidding? Instead of taking the drastic move of putting a hold on some Russian visas I'd have loved for Obama to go Jersey on Putin. Christie doesn't have a problem handling emotions, he wears them on his fleece. Which is why so many respond to him.

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More bad news for the conspiracy theory looney Christie haters...

The Governor doesn?t have to commit a single crime in order to demonstrate his difficultly handing emotions in a manner appropriate for an adult in high office, much less for a President with access to the football. He?s done it many times over. Regardless of their various shortcomings, the men who have occupied the Oval Office have generally been calm, cool, and collected. Christie?s bluster is more commonly seen among the world?s despotic leaders, and has no place in our nation?s highest office.

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Monroe wrote:
If Obama is held to anywhere the same 'standards' as some here seem to feel Christie should be held . . well, impeachment would have started a long time ago.

IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, checking reporter phone records, just to start.

And a traffic jam Christie didn't know about, or order, or was involved with is a big deal for a potential POTUS candidate?

As opposed to the blood of four Americans on the hands of Hilary Clinton?

The difference is in scale. There are a million federal agencies. Yes, it is conceivable that low level employees in those organizations (IRS local office) can do things that Obama did not order or was aware of.

It is tougher to make that argument for Benghazi, but I think that implicated Hillary Clinton far more so than Obama. And I think if she were to run for President, she will be facing tons of Benghazi related questioning, with good reason.

In contract to the federal government, the NJ government is far more tight-knit, especially the relationship between Christie's office and the Port Authority. Have you been following the news about the Port Authority? They basically serve as an extension of Christie.

It is staggeringly implausible that the highest-level employees in Christie's office and the Port Authority were carrying out these type of orders (political retaliation) and Christie had absolutely no knowledge or involvement. That's why he's getting killed in the press, because he's lying his ass off.

After the bridge scandle Christie is no longer the darling of Democrats. Republicans who think he is a RINO will hammer him with this in the primary elections.

I don't think Bengazi will hurt Hilary Clinton. I think people who don't watch Fox "News" believe it was another attack by crazy people who hate America. I just find it depressing that she's running. Obama was part of the Chicago Clinton cabal long before he ran for president. His presidency has shattered any illusions I had that politicians can be more than lying con artists. These days I think they're all, Democrats and Republicans, corporatists. They're in it for themselves. Anyone who is more than that is weeded out of the process before they can come close to winning the presidential primary election.

I agree with you 100%. We live in a plutocracy and the national presidential election is a sham to give people the illusion of control. In fact, one form of corruption is so rampant in America there's a term for it, google "regulatory capture."

That's why I'm one of the few who voted third party (Libertarian) last election. People say it's "throwing your vote away" but it actually felt very liberating, like my vote counted.

If Clinton wins the primary, unless there is a truly all star Republican candidate I plan on voting third party again. You may want to consider it.

Monroe wrote:
More bad news for the conspiracy theory looney Christie haters...

Monroe wrote:
More bad news for the conspiracy theory looney Christie haters.

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/ ... html#incart_river_default

asny10011 wrote:
Please retire Samson already!

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/06/opi ... r-david-samson-to-go.html

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Monroe wrote:
If Obama is held to anywhere the same 'standards' as some here seem to feel Christie should be held . . well, impeachment would have started a long time ago.

IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, checking reporter phone records, just to start.

And a traffic jam Christie didn't know about, or order, or was involved with is a big deal for a potential POTUS candidate?

As opposed to the blood of four Americans on the hands of Hilary Clinton?

The difference is in scale. There are a million federal agencies. Yes, it is conceivable that low level employees in those organizations (IRS local office) can do things that Obama did not order or was aware of.

It is tougher to make that argument for Benghazi, but I think that implicated Hillary Clinton far more so than Obama. And I think if she were to run for President, she will be facing tons of Benghazi related questioning, with good reason.

In contract to the federal government, the NJ government is far more tight-knit, especially the relationship between Christie's office and the Port Authority. Have you been following the news about the Port Authority? They basically serve as an extension of Christie.

It is staggeringly implausible that the highest-level employees in Christie's office and the Port Authority were carrying out these type of orders (political retaliation) and Christie had absolutely no knowledge or involvement. That's why he's getting killed in the press, because he's lying his ass off.

The Port Authority is equally run by Cuomo and Christie, and has been a patronage arm for both Governors-and since we've had more Democratic Governors in NY and NJ in recent times than Republicans you can start there when your critique begins, no?

Except that it was Christie that appointed these morally bankrupt individuals to their posts.

It was Christie that put in charge a man that would change rent of property from $1m to $1.00 so that his law firm client could reap the benefits. It was Christie that created a position from thin air so that a guy could largely have a political position and get paid to take revenge on towns.

We can certainly go back in time and start taking to task the absurd political hires of people. However, let's start by dealing with the current blatant corruption and abuse of power by our Loser-at-Life Governor.

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Monroe wrote:
If Obama is held to anywhere the same 'standards' as some here seem to feel Christie should be held . . well, impeachment would have started a long time ago.

IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, checking reporter phone records, just to start.

And a traffic jam Christie didn't know about, or order, or was involved with is a big deal for a potential POTUS candidate?

As opposed to the blood of four Americans on the hands of Hilary Clinton?

The difference is in scale. There are a million federal agencies. Yes, it is conceivable that low level employees in those organizations (IRS local office) can do things that Obama did not order or was aware of.

It is tougher to make that argument for Benghazi, but I think that implicated Hillary Clinton far more so than Obama. And I think if she were to run for President, she will be facing tons of Benghazi related questioning, with good reason.

In contract to the federal government, the NJ government is far more tight-knit, especially the relationship between Christie's office and the Port Authority. Have you been following the news about the Port Authority? They basically serve as an extension of Christie.

It is staggeringly implausible that the highest-level employees in Christie's office and the Port Authority were carrying out these type of orders (political retaliation) and Christie had absolutely no knowledge or involvement. That's why he's getting killed in the press, because he's lying his ass off.

The Port Authority is equally run by Cuomo and Christie, and has been a patronage arm for both Governors-and since we've had more Democratic Governors in NY and NJ in recent times than Republicans you can start there when your critique begins, no?

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Monroe wrote:
If Obama is held to anywhere the same 'standards' as some here seem to feel Christie should be held . . well, impeachment would have started a long time ago.

IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, checking reporter phone records, just to start.

And a traffic jam Christie didn't know about, or order, or was involved with is a big deal for a potential POTUS candidate?

As opposed to the blood of four Americans on the hands of Hilary Clinton?

The difference is in scale. There are a million federal agencies. Yes, it is conceivable that low level employees in those organizations (IRS local office) can do things that Obama did not order or was aware of.

It is tougher to make that argument for Benghazi, but I think that implicated Hillary Clinton far more so than Obama. And I think if she were to run for President, she will be facing tons of Benghazi related questioning, with good reason.

In contract to the federal government, the NJ government is far more tight-knit, especially the relationship between Christie's office and the Port Authority. Have you been following the news about the Port Authority? They basically serve as an extension of Christie.

It is staggeringly implausible that the highest-level employees in Christie's office and the Port Authority were carrying out these type of orders (political retaliation) and Christie had absolutely no knowledge or involvement. That's why he's getting killed in the press, because he's lying his ass off.

Br6dR wrote:
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JCMan8 wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
If Obama is held to anywhere the same 'standards' as some here seem to feel Christie should be held . . well, impeachment would have started a long time ago.

IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, checking reporter phone records, just to start.

And a traffic jam Christie didn't know about, or order, or was involved with is a big deal for a potential POTUS candidate?

As opposed to the blood of four Americans on the hands of Hilary Clinton?

The difference is in scale. There are a million federal agencies. Yes, it is conceivable that low level employees in those organizations (IRS local office) can do things that Obama did not order or was aware of.

It is tougher to make that argument for Benghazi, but I think that implicated Hillary Clinton far more so than Obama. And I think if she were to run for President, she will be facing tons of Benghazi related questioning, with good reason.

In contract to the federal government, the NJ government is far more tight-knit, especially the relationship between Christie's office and the Port Authority. Have you been following the news about the Port Authority? They basically serve as an extension of Christie.

It is staggeringly implausible that the highest-level employees in Christie's office and the Port Authority were carrying out these type of orders (political retaliation) and Christie had absolutely no knowledge or involvement. That's why he's getting killed in the press, because he's lying his ass off.

After the bridge scandle Christie is no longer the darling of Democrats. Republicans who think he is a RINO will hammer him with this in the primary elections.

I don't think Bengazi will hurt Hilary Clinton. I think people who don't watch Fox "News" believe it was another attack by crazy people who hate America. I just find it depressing that she's running. Obama was part of the Chicago Clinton cabal long before he ran for president. His presidency has shattered any illusions I had that politicians can be more than lying con artists. These days I think they're all, Democrats and Republicans, corporatists. They're in it for themselves. Anyone who is more than that is weeded out of the process before they can come close to winning the presidential primary election.

JCMan8 wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
If Obama is held to anywhere the same 'standards' as some here seem to feel Christie should be held . . well, impeachment would have started a long time ago.

IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, checking reporter phone records, just to start.

And a traffic jam Christie didn't know about, or order, or was involved with is a big deal for a potential POTUS candidate?

As opposed to the blood of four Americans on the hands of Hilary Clinton?

The difference is in scale. There are a million federal agencies. Yes, it is conceivable that low level employees in those organizations (IRS local office) can do things that Obama did not order or was aware of.

It is tougher to make that argument for Benghazi, but I think that implicated Hillary Clinton far more so than Obama. And I think if she were to run for President, she will be facing tons of Benghazi related questioning, with good reason.

In contract to the federal government, the NJ government is far more tight-knit, especially the relationship between Christie's office and the Port Authority. Have you been following the news about the Port Authority? They basically serve as an extension of Christie.

It is staggeringly implausible that the highest-level employees in Christie's office and the Port Authority were carrying out these type of orders (political retaliation) and Christie had absolutely no knowledge or involvement. That's why he's getting killed in the press, because he's lying his ass off.

Monroe wrote:
If Obama is held to anywhere the same 'standards' as some here seem to feel Christie should be held . . well, impeachment would have started a long time ago.

IRS, Benghazi, Fast and Furious, checking reporter phone records, just to start.

And a traffic jam Christie didn't know about, or order, or was involved with is a big deal for a potential POTUS candidate?

As opposed to the blood of four Americans on the hands of Hilary Clinton?

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if Kelly was subpoenaed then if she doesn't have anything to hide why is she not cooperating?

Over a traffic jam? The question is why Obama's IRS honcho Lois Lerner has taken the 5th-does that bother you as much-after all, it only involves the freaking IRS, lol.

You know what, if we were on a board in California frothing over Christie's troubles you "might" have a point. But we're not. He's our Governor and we're right in the middle of the shitstorm and affected directly by what he does. We have a right to be more interested in a parochial way.

Are you equally outraged over the Newark Watershed Board financial Booker issues? You know, where his gal pal got a multi-hundred thousand dollar 'retirement package' when she didn't retire? Or when his hand picked board gave out millions to his law firm partner, who paid him multi hundred thousand dollars in payouts??

As opposed to a traffic jam?

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if Kelly was subpoenaed then if she doesn't have anything to hide why is she not cooperating?

Over a traffic jam? The question is why Obama's IRS honcho Lois Lerner has taken the 5th-does that bother you as much-after all, it only involves the freaking IRS, lol.

You know what, if we were on a board in California frothing over Christie's troubles you "might" have a point. But we're not. He's our Governor and we're right in the middle of the shitstorm and affected directly by what he does. We have a right to be more interested in a parochial way.

Are you equally outraged over the Newark Watershed Board financial Booker issues? You know, where his gal pal got a multi-hundred thousand dollar 'retirement package' when she didn't retire? Or when his hand picked board gave out millions to his law firm partner, who paid him multi hundred thousand dollars in payouts??

As opposed to a traffic jam?

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asny10011 wrote:
if Kelly was subpoenaed then if she doesn't have anything to hide why is she not cooperating?

Over a traffic jam? The question is why Obama's IRS honcho Lois Lerner has taken the 5th-does that bother you as much-after all, it only involves the freaking IRS, lol.

You know what, if we were on a board in California frothing over Christie's troubles you "might" have a point. But we're not. He's our Governor and we're right in the middle of the shitstorm and affected directly by what he does. We have a right to be more interested in a parochial way.

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if Kelly was subpoenaed then if she doesn't have anything to hide why is she not cooperating?

Over a traffic jam? The question is why Obama's IRS honcho Lois Lerner has taken the 5th-does that bother you as much-after all, it only involves the freaking IRS, lol.

asny10011 wrote:
if Kelly was subpoenaed then if she doesn't have anything to hide why is she not cooperating?