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So what are your theories? He was blinded? He just didn't bother to look out the windshield? The gas-pedal got stuck? He was showing off? Just saying that a railing could have saved him is really just speculation too.

I can imagine of all kinds of stuff that might have happened, but the absence of an appropriate barrier insured that no moving vehicle could have been impeded, which is NOT speculation. That?s why we insist on barriers between roadways/parking lots, and large bodies of water?because who knows what might happen.

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So what are your theories? He was blinded? He just didn't bother to look out the windshield? The gas-pedal got stuck? He was showing off? Just saying that a railing could have saved him is really just speculation too.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Seriously, though, the posts on this thread are disgusting. How about we wait until the toxicology reports and actual facts come out about this incident? Typical JC List.

Further, even if comes back that this kid was high as a kite and drunk as a skunk, is dancing on his grave really necessary? Are some of your inferiority complexes so intense that being right on something like this brings you joy?

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I couldn't care less about Peter Mocco but it's amazing how we try and blame anybody but the guy who drove his car, at a high rate of speed, into a river. In any case, I still suspect DWI and/or suicide.

1) No one is exculpating the driver.
2) There is zero reason to suspect suicide.
3) Speculation is not a substitute for actual evidence.

No matter what, the property owner is not solely responsible. But he definitely bears some responsibility.

So you are speculating that it was not suicide. In any case, young man just graduated from college, booze plus the holidays plus the new pressures of success equals plenty of evidence to speculate that it could easily be suicide.

If I was a family member I'd be devastated by these unnecessary speculations. What right?

Yvonne wrote:
Let us not forget two police officers did something similar by driving in the water. It is dark in the early morning hours. The city has no problem issuing parking tickets but doesn't recognize the danger this cause?

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I couldn't care less about Peter Mocco but it's amazing how we try and blame anybody but the guy who drove his car, at a high rate of speed, into a river. In any case, I still suspect DWI and/or suicide.

1) No one is exculpating the driver.
2) There is zero reason to suspect suicide.
3) Speculation is not a substitute for actual evidence.

No matter what, the property owner is not solely responsible. But he definitely bears some responsibility.

So you are speculating that it was not suicide. In any case, young man just graduated from college, booze plus the holidays plus the new pressures of success equals plenty of evidence to speculate that it could easily be suicide.

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I couldn't care less about Peter Mocco but it's amazing how we try and blame anybody but the guy who drove his car, at a high rate of speed, into a river. In any case, I still suspect DWI and/or suicide.

1) No one is exculpating the driver.
2) There is zero reason to suspect suicide.
3) Speculation is not a substitute for actual evidence.

No matter what, the property owner is not solely responsible. But he definitely bears some responsibility.

Vigilante wrote:
I couldn't care less about Peter Mocco but it's amazing how we try and blame anybody but the guy who drove his car, at a high rate of speed, into a river. In any case, I still suspect DWI and/or suicide.

Vigilante wrote:
I couldn't care less about Peter Mocco but it's amazing how we try and blame anybody but the guy who drove his car, at a high rate of speed, into a river. In any case, I still suspect DWI and/or suicide.

Dolomiti wrote:
Yeah, no barrier.

Again, it is unclear how much the driver's own actions contributed to his death; we will probably never know for certain.

However, that still doesn't change the fact that the property owner failed to put in any sort of barrier after Sandy, and this contributed to the death. No matter how things shake out, the property owner bears some responsibility for this outcome.

Vigilante wrote:
Yeah, I feel terrible for the family but trying to spread the blame in a case like this is silly. If I wanted to I could drive my car through the front door of Helen's Pizza. Some things just can't be guarded against and any other thinking is just a result of our litigious society.



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Agreed that you can't idiot proof everything and hand hold everyone through every part of life. But, threads like this are frustrating.

Wishful thinking's sentiment is spot on. All these junior detectives jumping to conclusions on here with no reports of anything. How about we wait to hear the tox. reports before assuming anything?

Regardless of the reason, this guy's family is grieving on New Year's, and that's pretty sh*tty. Let's not on dance on this kid's grave.

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I've yet to hear/read about the toxicology results in the paper - unless someone has, and can bring everyone up to date, I don't think anyone is in a position to comment on what happened! Regardless, this is a tragedy for his family and friends, and my heart goes out to them. No matter what the cause, the guy paid dearly and his friends and family will bear this loss always.

Looking at the condition of the parking lot and lack of barrier with my day job hat as a City official (although not in JC) on, I'm appalled this patently unsafe - for a lot of people and situations - condition was permited to exist. The ownership of the property absolutely must take responsibility for their failure to maintain the properpty safely. Mayor Fulop et al, if you are reading this, you have to step up and deal with this nonsense from scofflaw property owners.

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Ain't buying it. There are some things we just know. Don't walk off the PATH Train platform, Don't drive into oncoming traffic, Don't drive into the river. If we have to idiot-proof everything then we've lost.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Agreed that you can't idiot proof everything and hand hold everyone through every part of life. But, threads like this are frustrating.

Wishful thinking's sentiment is spot on. All these junior detectives jumping to conclusions on here with no reports of anything. How about we wait to hear the tox. reports before assuming anything?

Regardless of the reason, this guy's family is grieving on New Year's, and that's pretty sh*tty. Let's not on dance on this kid's grave.

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I've yet to hear/read about the toxicology results in the paper - unless someone has, and can bring everyone up to date, I don't think anyone is in a position to comment on what happened! Regardless, this is a tragedy for his family and friends, and my heart goes out to them. No matter what the cause, the guy paid dearly and his friends and family will bear this loss always.

Looking at the condition of the parking lot and lack of barrier with my day job hat as a City official (although not in JC) on, I'm appalled this patently unsafe - for a lot of people and situations - condition was permited to exist. The ownership of the property absolutely must take responsibility for their failure to maintain the properpty safely. Mayor Fulop et al, if you are reading this, you have to step up and deal with this nonsense from scofflaw property owners.

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Ain't buying it. There are some things we just know. Don't walk off the PATH Train platform, Don't drive into oncoming traffic, Don't drive into the river. If we have to idiot-proof everything then we've lost.

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I've yet to hear/read about the toxicology results in the paper - unless someone has, and can bring everyone up to date, I don't think anyone is in a position to comment on what happened! Regardless, this is a tragedy for his family and friends, and my heart goes out to them. No matter what the cause, the guy paid dearly and his friends and family will bear this loss always.

Looking at the condition of the parking lot and lack of barrier with my day job hat as a City official (although not in JC) on, I'm appalled this patently unsafe - for a lot of people and situations - condition was permited to exist. The ownership of the property absolutely must take responsibility for their failure to maintain the properpty safely. Mayor Fulop et al, if you are reading this, you have to step up and deal with this nonsense from scofflaw property owners.

+1

Ain't buying it. There are some things we just know. Don't walk off the PATH Train platform, Don't drive into oncoming traffic, Don't drive into the river. If we have to idiot-proof everything then we've lost.

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I've yet to hear/read about the toxicology results in the paper - unless someone has, and can bring everyone up to date, I don't think anyone is in a position to comment on what happened! Regardless, this is a tragedy for his family and friends, and my heart goes out to them. No matter what the cause, the guy paid dearly and his friends and family will bear this loss always.

Looking at the condition of the parking lot and lack of barrier with my day job hat as a City official (although not in JC) on, I'm appalled this patently unsafe - for a lot of people and situations - condition was permited to exist. The ownership of the property absolutely must take responsibility for their failure to maintain the properpty safely. Mayor Fulop et al, if you are reading this, you have to step up and deal with this nonsense from scofflaw property owners.

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Wishful_Thinking wrote:
I've yet to hear/read about the toxicology results in the paper - unless someone has, and can bring everyone up to date, I don't think anyone is in a position to comment on what happened! Regardless, this is a tragedy for his family and friends, and my heart goes out to them. No matter what the cause, the guy paid dearly and his friends and family will bear this loss always.

Looking at the condition of the parking lot and lack of barrier with my day job hat as a City official (although not in JC) on, I'm appalled this patently unsafe - for a lot of people and situations - condition was permited to exist. The ownership of the property absolutely must take responsibility for their failure to maintain the properpty safely. Mayor Fulop et al, if you are reading this, you have to step up and deal with this nonsense from scofflaw property owners.

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This is sad and confusing. Where did he start driving from? Surf City is closed for the winter, unless they had some kind of New Year's event. Did he drive down Marin for some time and just continue into the water? He may have just passed out at the wheel. Or maybe he had parked his car there and just couldn't navigate out of the lot, for whatever reason (drunk, tired, careless...).

As far as drinking and driving, I think there are four types of people:

- People who do not drive. (Few)

- People who do not drink. (Few)

- People who have DUI's, (more than a few)

- People who have driven while intoxicated, but fortunately have not been caught or involved in an accident. Yet. (a shitload)

There is no excuse for drinking and driving.