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LOL, gotta love it. Some bad info in the JJ gets the haters all riled up. Classic thread.

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The Jersey Journal put in a correction today saying the rate should have been "a day" not "an hour".



Yes, neverleft is right. Check it out. Sorry about the misinformation:

http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/index ... 91101915165180.xml&coll=3

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I would believe the National Enquirer over the Jersey Journal anytime...

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Thanks NeverLeft and Irish.
You are free thinkers.
I thought I was losing my mind on this thread.

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The Jersey Journal put in a correction today saying the rate should have been "a day" not "an hour".

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josiered...your an idiot!!!!!!!! There isnt a crossing gaurd in the WORLDDDDDDDDDD that makes $80,000 a year!!! I dont care if they were crossing people at the Daytona 500....you are a dummy.....I dont want to talk bad about our crossing gaurds, but have you ever seen any of them? Not all, but some....There is absolutly no effin way they even make over 16 an hour....just use a little common sense....you dont need an article or a link to back it up.

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You know what's useless, there's sometimes 2 crossing guards & even a jcpd officer outside on westside & union street.
Why not eliminate the2 crassing guards & leave the officer there. He can do the job all by hisself.

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Jersey Journal needs to get its ish together then.

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OK. Spoke to a guard this morning. Old timer in JC Heights.
They make 40-46 bucks A DAY depending on seniority.
Laughed when I said 48 bucks an hour.
Let's take an average 42*20=210 per week.

Yes folks, $210.00 a week.

Below is the data cut and pasted from the NYPD website:
GREAT PART TIME JOBS ARE AVAILABLE NOW!

GOOD PAY - $9.88/HOUR TO START, $12.90/HOUR AFTER 3 YEARS.

HEALTH BENEFITS-HEALTH INSURANCE WITH 20+ HOURS WORKED PER WEEK.

Do you really think that Jersey City would pay 48 bucks an hour when NYC pays 9.88-12.90?

As far as "scaremongering" I was simply speaking to the fact that dismissals, en masse, at the local high schools are
troublesome traffic wise. You know we all avoid 3PM traffic on Montgomery, Palisade, Bergen and Commuinpaw. I was not implying anything about the students demeanor.

I have discussed this issue ad nauseum. I'm done.

Power to the little guy.

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Incorrect. They work 20hrs a week, go out 3X a day. There are not 500
Guards. Think there are abt. 200. The 20,000. May be a supervisor salary.
I am not flailing, you're supporting bad data. Just make a call to JCPD or ask a guard. The data is NOT posted on line.
they are aout there in all types of weather, get hit by cars and take all kinds of
Abuse.
Again, drive by Lincoln or Ferris at dismissal.
Now how abt the school security guards. Let's go after them next.
okayyy well even if they do work 20 hours a week, then $20,000 per year, working 20 hours a week, for 36 school weeks, is still $28 per hour. Which is quit a bit as well.


Of course, it's kind of stupid that we can't all agree on a number. Can't we just ask the Jersey Journal people how they got their numbers? Ask them if they meant $48 per day?

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I have not seen any site that supports your assertion that JC school crossing guard make only about $10/hour. Other sites show annual JC school crossing guard salaries in the range of about $20-25k/year. 3 hrs/day (morning, lunch and afternoon) on say 180 school days/year would work out at $46*3*180 = $24,840.

The JJ numbers look credible. Post some real evidence to support your numbers if you disagree with them.

http://www.salaryexpert.com/index.cfm ... sitionId=76910&CityId=369

I think the crossing guards do an excellent job, and I know it's not without it's risks. And I also agree there are probably better targets for City cuts. (For example JC pays over 15k/student/year - three times the national average per student, for a broken system.) However, $46/hour if true, is wasteful City spending. Across the nation services like this are being cut as local governments have to make tough choices. I also wouldn't underestimate local parents capability to self-organize if these services were reduced or cut.

Oh - and drop the scaremongering. Most Lincoln and Ferris kids are more frightened of their crossing guards and parents than the other way around. I drive past Ferris most days. They are extremely well behaved compared to a lot of schools.

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Incorrect. They work 20hrs a week, go out 3X a day. There are not 500
Guards. Think there are abt. 200. The 20,000. May be a supervisor salary.
I am not flailing, you're supporting bad data. Just make a call to JCPD or ask a guard. The data is NOT posted on line.
they are aout there in all types of weather, get hit by cars and take all kinds of
Abuse.
Again, drive by Lincoln or Ferris at dismissal.
Now how abt the school security guards. Let's go after them next.

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Crossing guards -- jobs in the United States

Table showing the approximate number of people employed as Crossing guards and their average hourly wage and annual salary for selected cities and municipalities in the United States. All figures are from the U.S. Department of Labor.

Jersey City, NJ 520 $9.72 $20,210

http://books.mongabay.com/occupations/Crossing_guards.html


I think the Dept of Labor have just taken the tax filings - the $20,210 number and divided by 52*40 to get the $9.72 number. Crossing guards most likely work around 10 hours/week and not every week, which make the JJ numbers more credible.

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Don't believe everything you read in the Jersey Journal. They don't check their facts even when it is in front of their face. Yesterday, the same reporter said that there is an Apple store at the Newport Mall. She's staring at AT&T, and reporting that it is an Apple store.

5:37 a.m. While Macy's was bustling, there's no one in the Apple store except for the employees.


hilarious.

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Aside from what they make...The city employs crossing guards at a lot of intersections that have stop lights and walk/dont walk signals. Is this for students and/or drivers don't obey the traffic signals? Or is it to help the flow of traffic? Or some other reason?

I would think for the students mostly but the guards do dircect the flow of vehicular traffic as well.

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Aside from what they make...The city employs crossing guards at a lot of intersections that have stop lights and walk/dont walk signals. Is this for students and/or drivers don't obey the traffic signals? Or is it to help the flow of traffic? Or some other reason?

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Crossing guards -- jobs in the United States

Table showing the approximate number of people employed as Crossing guards and their average hourly wage and annual salary for selected cities and municipalities in the United States. All figures are from the U.S. Department of Labor.

Jersey City, NJ 520 $9.72 $20,210

http://books.mongabay.com/occupations/Crossing_guards.html

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Exactly! About 40-50 bucks a day!
Please also note. NYC provides health benefits.
Hope the JCPD can handle all your job applications....


Ogden1 - you are flailing around, presenting your own views, and providing zero facts. How's about a few links to support your assertions?

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Exactly! About 40-50 bucks a day!
Please also note. NYC provides health benefits.
Hope the JCPD can handle all your job applications....

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New York City: $9.88/hour to start, $12.90/hour after 3 years

http://www.nyc.gov/html/nypd/html/car ... hool_crossing_guard.shtml

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OK let,s go from the ridiculous to the sublime.
It's the per DIEM rate not hourly.
Hhhmmm thought you would be touting the Wall Street Journal,
not the Jersey Journal.

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Hey Irish - I read an article in the NY Times about 3 months ago about crossing guards in Montclair, NJ. They make $80,000 a year working full time. I know they make good money and doubtful it is $10 an hour. So why don't you check your "facts" first before you are so quick to criticize what you read on JCLIST....if what we post is so absurd and effin retarded then go post on another site.

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How do I become a crossing guard? I want to make $48 an hour

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Don't believe everything you read in the Jersey Journal. They don't check their facts even when it is in front of their face. Yesterday, the same reporter said that there is an Apple store at the Newport Mall. She's staring at AT&T, and reporting that it is an Apple store.

5:37 a.m. While Macy's was bustling, there's no one in the Apple store except for the employees.

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Again, this is mis-information. Only in the Jersey Journal, the PREMIER NJ newspaper. INCORRECT DATA!!!!!!!!
If you don't believe me call the JCPD and ask for the Crossing Guard Dept.
It seems they are factoring-in health benefits. EVEN SO THOSE FIGURES ARE UNTRUE.

Not fair folks. Do they do that at your job?

Now thanks to Gov. Christie the health benefits are abolished. Let's see who will take this job now........
10 BUCKS AN HOUR. MAKE THE PHONE CALL!!!!

Read between the lines folks. By your calculations they would make abt. 192 bucks a day, 960 a week. 3840 a month, 46K a year. THAT'S WHAT A ROOKIE COP AND NEW TEACHER MAKE.
Are you that naive?
Propaganda and media. You fell for it.

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Oh reeally. Please let me know what schools collect.
That is BS
THEY ONLY MAKE ABT 10 BUCKS AN HOUR
What idiot would volunteer to do this 3 times a day and
Do it in the rain and snow. You are clueless.
This is not freakin Mayberry.
The city also consists of more than Downtown.
JC. Try thinking a bit more deeply.
Well golly gee maybe we should have a volunteer fire dept. too.


If they were paid $10/hour I don't think anyone would have an issue. And as far as volunteer crossing guards go, a lot of communities in the US and countries like Greece and NZ manage very successful volunteer crossing guard programs. Perhaps try googling and following the links a little more deeply :)

Start with this one:
http://www.handsoncentralcal.org/crossing_guard_program.html

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For those of you who didn't click on the link in the original post, here is the source of the $48/hr number. For anyone interested in posting their opinion without informing themselves, go right ahead. I'm sure you won't be deterred.

From the Jersey Journal

Jersey City is giving crossing guards small raises but won't provide new hires with health benefits
Friday, November 26, 2010
Jersey City's crossing guards will get a slight raise, but new hires won't get health benefits under a contract approved by the City Council this week.

The contract passed 5-to-2 at Tuesday's meeting. Councilwoman Willie Flood was absent and Councilman Steven Fulop left prior to the vote.


Councilwomen Nidia Lopez and Viola Richardson both voted against the contract, saying they didn't feel the benefits should be eliminated.

The crossing guards have been without a contract since Aug. 31, 2008.

Members of the Jersey City School Traffic Guards Association hired before June 30, 1991 will be paid $47.84 an hour retroactively for Sept. 1, 2008 to Aug. 31, 2009; $48.80 effective Sept. 1, 2009; and $48.80 effective Sept. 1 this year.

Crossing guards hired since July 1, 2009 will be paid $45.57 an hour effective Sept. 1, 2008; $46.48 effective Sept. 1, 2009; and $46.48 effective Sept. 1 this year.

Anyone hired after May 21 would not be eligible for benefits and all members with benefits would leave the traditional plan and transfer to Direct Access Blue Cross/Blue Shield or an HMO by Jan. 1.

The members with benefits will also pay a co-pay for mail order prescriptions and contribute 1.5 percent of their salaries toward the cost of their health care, as required by a new state law signed earlier this year.

The members will also be paid $500 each by Jan. 15 "in consideration for all employees in the unit leaving traditional coverage by Jan. 1, 2011," according to the memorandum of agreement.

MELISSA HAYES

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cmon people, do you really think for a second that these people make 48 beans an hour....where do you get your info from.......effin retarded....I see so many post on this site that are ridiculous......48 dollars an hour.....how do you even believe that......so frigin stupid it makes me want to puke....friggin dummy

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Oh reeally. Please let me know what schools collect.
That is BS
THEY ONLY MAKE ABT 10 BUCKS AN HOUR
What idiot would volunteer to do this 3 times a day and
Do it in the rain and snow. You are clueless.
This is not freakin Mayberry.
The city also consists of more than Downtown.
JC. Try thinking a bit more deeply.
Well golly gee maybe we should have a volunteer fire dept. too.

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Get real folks. They make about 10.00 an hour,
work in all kinds of weather and are at their posts 3 times a day.
If u think it's easy go to Ferris, Dickinson, Lincoln at 3 PM.
U would pee in your pants.
Yeah they're really draining the city coffers.
Now let's pick on the meter maids they really make the big bucks.


BS. Hard to argue the facts. They may only work 10-15 hours per week. $48/h is obscene for basic traffic duty. People volunteer for this duty for free. Schools have regular collections to give gifts to these traffic helpers. You'll get free volunteers for this kind of work. Why pay? You are out of your tiny minds.

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