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Re: Opportunity for Mcnair to Receive half a million dollars
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If you haven't voted, please do. Voting ends 9/3.

We made it to #56, and still have a chance to crack Top 20, but that window is narrowing.

Why is McNair "more deserving" than other JC schools of the money?

One simple answer is BECAUSE we meet AYP, we do not qualify for Title 1 money the way other JCPS do.

In fact, I was shown some numbers that show our operating budget was steadily reduced by about 40% cumulatively since 2004, while our enrollment increased by about 150 students (not Special Ed, within McNair Academic itself).

And, we have gone to open enrollment on APs, increasing those numbers (including paying roughly $5k per head for kids to take Rutgers ITV classes). AND we pay for PSAT testing each year for every kid.

We have NO money.

When we were fiscally good and came in under budget, the good folks at Central Office swept in and took our (very modest) surplus right out of our account without telling us.

You know, money that we had earmarked for yummy things like replacing torn up copies of Orwell's _1984_. Or, you know, toner for printers. They absorbed it back into their budget.

Millions (I don't know numbers off the top of my head), I want to say at least $2 million, but I think it was actually closer to $4 million, went to ONE of the other high schools to help them meet AYP.

Oh, yeah, and by the way, the NJ MONTHLY ranking came out.... #2 again.

http://njmonthly.com/articles/towns_a ... op-high-schools-2010.html

But, unfortunately, feels like a hollow victory, as very few people in this city or District seek to truly understand MAHS and are quick to take shots at us, put words in our mouth, or think they know the different challenges we face to produce the grads that we do.

The only time I've seen Dr. Epps in the building was when he was on a stage.

So, please, we could use your vote.

Search "Dr Ronald Mc Nair Acad HS" on the Kohl's Care's page.

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Then I shall do that. No reason that schools outperforming the average should be missing out!

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St. Peter's can't be on the list if this contest is for public schools.


Contest rules include, I think, any K-12 that is a 501(c)3.
LCCS is on the list too, so you can use 5 more of your votes.

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Well, I just signed up on Facebook, and made all of my information private, so there is not much to share at this point.
After the contest is over, I'll probably unlike Kohl's, and that will be that.
Good luck to McNair!

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I am an Academic alum and a Facebook member, but I'm conflicted about voting because I take issue with this:

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I don't belong to Facebook, but have considered joining, and I might right now just to vote for McNair.
I am also a cynic who doesn't believe in free lunches.
So tell me: What is it that Kohl's and Facebook are getting out of this that is worth more to them than the $500,000.
What am I giving up, if anything, for the privilege of belonging to Facebook?

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What do you define as deserving?


Have fun discussing that amongst yourselves. I've said my part.

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I'm glad to see McNair is producing graduates with such passion.

I read the blog when I posted, and I read it again since. I am also pleased that you noted McNair's great success there as well:

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Some last statistics for you: in each graduating class, 99% of the students go to college, 100% of students pass the HSPA examination required of all juniors, and SAT scores consistently exceed the national average.


It's undeniable: McNair is a great school.

As your blog post demonstrates, you have ample skills in technology and computing, reasoning, argument, civility, etc. Your blog also shows you are going to Cornell. I wish you many congratulations on your success. I also congratulate you for posting under your own name and identity. This website is peopled by too many anonymous, sniping bozos.

However, I will say definitively that your read of my post is incorrect. I feel neither bitterness nor hostility towards McNair or any public school. I feel plenty cool and civil in saying so. I am not proposing a philosophy about how best to burn money. I am simply countering the "need" for McNair to succeed in the Kohl's contest, when it clearly succeeds without it.

Put simply, the resource/ material problems you describe at McNair are neither surprising nor special. Every school, and especially urban schools, suffer with that burden. Unfortunately, belt-tightening has resulted in proposed cuts for academic and extracurricular programs nationwide. Again, McNair does not stand out in that way. Teacher-layoffs are hitting school budgets statewide in NJ. This should not come as a surprise, because it has been in the news.

As to the contest, if you see the leaderboard ( http://apps.facebook.com/KohlsCares/home/leaderboard ), McNair currently has about 5000 votes on the contest. It is the only JC school which could even come close to winning. (Oddly, it's 42nd in the nation on that list as well.) Ferris and Lincoln have 11.

The problem is obvious: the contest rewards schools which have connected, internet-savvy graduates (such as McNair, etc). It does this because Kohls has an interest in attracting and data-mining such web-savvy alumni and their connections.

If you look at the leading schools, I suspect you will find the least-deserving.


What do you define as deserving?

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I'm glad to see McNair is producing graduates with such passion.

I read the blog when I posted, and I read it again since. I am also pleased that you noted McNair's great success there as well:

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Some last statistics for you: in each graduating class, 99% of the students go to college, 100% of students pass the HSPA examination required of all juniors, and SAT scores consistently exceed the national average.


It's undeniable: McNair is a great school.

As your blog post demonstrates, you have ample skills in technology and computing, reasoning, argument, civility, etc. Your blog also shows you are going to Cornell. I wish you many congratulations on your success. I also congratulate you for posting under your own name and identity. This website is peopled by too many anonymous, sniping bozos.

However, I will say definitively that your read of my post is incorrect. I feel neither bitterness nor hostility towards McNair or any public school. I feel plenty cool and civil in saying so. I am not proposing a philosophy about how best to burn money. I am simply countering the "need" for McNair to succeed in the Kohl's contest, when it clearly succeeds without it.

Put simply, the resource/ material problems you describe at McNair are neither surprising nor special. Every school, and especially urban schools, suffer with that burden. Unfortunately, belt-tightening has resulted in proposed cuts for academic and extracurricular programs nationwide. Again, McNair does not stand out in that way. Teacher-layoffs are hitting school budgets statewide in NJ. This should not come as a surprise, because it has been in the news.

As to the contest, if you see the leaderboard ( http://apps.facebook.com/KohlsCares/home/leaderboard ), McNair currently has about 5000 votes on the contest. It is the only JC school which could even come close to winning. (Oddly, it's 42nd in the nation on that list as well.) Ferris and Lincoln have 11.

The problem is obvious: the contest rewards schools which have connected, internet-savvy graduates (such as McNair, etc). It does this because Kohls has an interest in attracting and data-mining such web-savvy alumni and their connections.

If you look at the leading schools, I suspect you will find the least-deserving.

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St. Peter's can't be on the list if this contest is for public schools.

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Also: It should be noted that the only other local schools actually listed are County Prep and St. Peters Prep. So that's all I could vote for.

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roflolmao23 wrote: I am currently a student at Mcnair Academic high school located in downtown Jersey City. The school has so many pros. It's a hotbed of success and potential being exerted in an urban environment, both academically and athletically. Not to mention the fact that the school also sticks by a standard of keeping a racially diverse student body, which causes students to be more aware of their fellow inhabitants of Jersey City.
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If McNair is so high performing, then does it really need the money compared to other schools? I would suggest that it does not need the money compared with other Jersey City schools. As you see from this post by BrightMoment ( http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewt ... id=248533#forumpost248533 ), Jersey City has SEVERAL failing high schools which do not have the benefit of magnetizing the highest-performing students and catering to them with low-class size. Due to the ineptitude Dr. Charles Epps (as documented on the above link), poor School Board oversight, poor management, and general societal problems... approx 35 of 40 Jersey City schools are failing to meet "Annual Yearly Progress" (AYP). Here is a short list of some of the failing schools: * Ferris High School * Snyder High School * Dickinson High School * Lincoln High School Only McNair and Liberty High School have met the AYP benchmarks. You have convinced me that McNair is among the best at producing "pros" and "Ivy League" students from its "hotbed of success" and passing the bare-minimum of standards as measured by the AYP... indeed, you have gone to great length to tell us what we already knew... but, it is now your burden to convince me that McNair deserves the $500,000 more than other Jersey City schools. Now, you may claim that those other schools would only squander the $500,000, but I don't think we can assume that is so. Indeed, such a cash-infusion may even have greater marginal utility for those schools compared with McNair. That means they'd get more "bang for their buck." For McNair graduates such as yourselves, convincing me should be an easy task because I only went to a regular public high school with very few pros. Alternatively, I pray you will exert your energies towards getting the under-performing Jersey City high schools on the list of Kohl's top-voted schools. Charity... hmmmm. Think about it.
Note: I never said the other schools didn't deserve it. In fact, I exerted my other 15 votes to spare for other schools. However, considering the philosophy you're proposing, pump the money into the schools that fail, deprive schools that don't, this is precisely why our school gets no money to begin with. We're "just fine." In fact, we're so "just fine" that we couldn't afford paper for a year, and now we're dropping even more teams and extracurriculars and courses. We're doing swimmingly. This is not a personal appeal to flip YOUR entire world view of Jersey City public schools, especially considering I see exactly what you're seeing, with the poor management of the school system. I mean, in a utopia Jersey City, I would rather just have a new Board of Education to vote for in the top 20. However, THIS IS an appeal to the GENERAL PUBLIC, in hopes to get some support for a SCHOOL, even if others choose to withhold it. Now, in the interest of preserving civility and staying on topic, can you please contain your bitterness and hostility and stay remotely on topic? I'm pretty sure everyone involved in this thread would appreciate it. I'm glad you are successful from the walls of a regular public school. It takes a lot to do that if you came from Jersey City. I'm glad people like you can exist. But that doesn't mean you should deprive a group of students who are incredibly interested in their higher education of their chance to win money for BASIC supplies and MAINTENANCE of what they have now. And if you need more reasons, read the blog post that was posted at the start of the thread. And if that's still not enough, then no worries. If you would like to have an anti-McNair thread, by all means, post away, but to respect the thread's guidelines, "be polite, stay on topic, and constructive with the content of your post" do it on another thread. If you're going to support us, thank you. If you're not, thank you.

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i didn't have facebook. signed up so i can vote for Mc Nair and give my support. the school is Jersey City's pride. it's a top notch public school since i can remember back in the 80's. it's a worthy cause.

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I don't belong to Facebook, but have considered joining, and I might right now just to vote for McNair.
I am also a cynic who doesn't believe in free lunches.
So tell me: What is it that Kohl's and Facebook are getting out of this that is worth more to them than the $500,000.
What am I giving up, if anything, for the privilege of belonging to Facebook?

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Thanks.
With a lot of votes, that adds up, doesn't it?

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I don't belong to Facebook, but have considered joining, and I might right now just to vote for McNair.
I am also a cynic who doesn't believe in free lunches.
So tell me: What is it that Kohl's and Facebook are getting out of this that is worth more to them than the $500,000.
What am I giving up, if anything, for the privilege of belonging to Facebook?

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McNair is losing sports, science lab, extracurricular funding, just like every other school. I don't know where the 12:1 ratio is coming from, but it sure isn't students/classroom teachers. Last year, English and history classes were close to 30 per class.

It's still public school and their funding is being cut. Let's not exclude a school from consideration just because the students are bright and motivated.

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alanwright wrote: If McNair is so high performing, then does it really need the money compared to other schools? I would suggest that it does not need the money compared with other Jersey City schools.
It can make a better school even better. A McNair student asked us for help for his/her school. So give it to him/her. (If a high school student from one of the other schools ask I would vote for them too). Instead of going into racial quotas and the embarrassment of JC public schools as a whole, help the student out!!!

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i have never gone to Mc Nair aka Academic High in my HS years but went to a catholic highschool growing up. but we always have respect for this HS even if we are rivalries in sports. with that said, why deprived a school of $500,000.00 chance whose students love to learn, take pride in their school, their studies, their teachers, their education? just because they have a success rate of college entrances? bigger schools like you mentioned have gotten huge funding by the government but majority of its student bodies would rather hang out with friends or form cliques even gangs to care for their education. Quote:
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If McNair is so high performing, then does it really need the money compared to other schools? I would suggest that it does not need the money compared with other Jersey City schools. As you see from this post by BrightMoment ( http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewt ... id=248533#forumpost248533 ), Jersey City has SEVERAL failing high schools which do not have the benefit of magnetizing the highest-performing students and catering to them with low-class size. Due to the ineptitude Dr. Charles Epps (as documented on the above link), poor School Board oversight, poor management, and general societal problems... approx 35 of 40 Jersey City schools are failing to meet "Annual Yearly Progress" (AYP). Here is a short list of some of the failing schools: * Ferris High School * Snyder High School * Dickinson High School * Lincoln High School Only McNair and Liberty High School have met the AYP benchmarks. You have convinced me that McNair is among the best at producing "pros" and "Ivy League" students from its "hotbed of success" and passing the bare-minimum of standards as measured by the AYP... indeed, you have gone to great length to tell us what we already knew... but, it is now your burden to convince me that McNair deserves the $500,000 more than other Jersey City schools. Now, you may claim that those other schools would only squander the $500,000, but I don't think we can assume that is so. Indeed, such a cash-infusion may even have greater marginal utility for those schools compared with McNair. That means they'd get more "bang for their buck." For McNair graduates such as yourselves, convincing me should be an easy task because I only went to a regular public high school with very few pros. Alternatively, I pray you will exert your energies towards getting the under-performing Jersey City high schools on the list of Kohl's top-voted schools. Charity... hmmmm. Think about it.

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They use a goddamn racial quota? You've got to be kidding me. How do you know this?


And it's actually very beneficial. The school's mission is to provide an ethnically, racially, economically diverse setting to foster development, acceptance, and achievement, and provide interpersonal and professional skills that will assist them in the future.

Combining the diversity of views and people, as well as ensuring their academic and extracurricular proficiency, works to the benefit of the students. Numbers seem to agree. You can see for yourself if you'd like:

NJ Department of Education School Report Card for McNair Academic High School


You just made me throw up in my mouth with your new age-speak.

This not-exactly-public school accepts only bright kids to begin with, so their battle is already halfway won. The fact that the teacher-student ratio is 12-1 makes the job that much easier. All this considered, I wonder why only 99% of the student body goes on to college.

Their diversity is cute and all that, but it is not what makes the school, or even the students, successful. Let's see how much development, acceptance, and achievement would be fostered if they had to take a random selection of 100 kids from Snyder.

Hey, I'd be thrilled if my kids got into McNair, but let's not make it out like they are spinning straw into gold.

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I put in my 5 votes!

it just dawned on me this used to be Academic High School changed its name to Dr. Ronald E Mc Nair Academic High School

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i don't feel this school base it on afirmative action. they take the top 25% highest tests scoring kids in each ethnicity nothing wrong with that. this school isn't that big. it's a fair quota system. however, the students are well mannered, corporately dressed, well adjusted, very intelligent and extremely bright kids from different ethnic backgrounds. i used to take the bus with one of the students who commutes with her father. she's hispanic. the school shape these kids to go on to ivy leagues and universities like MIT , it shapes them to be leaders in their future fields. this school doesn't get enough credit and accolades. it's sad to read their financial difficulties. this school does alot of good for extremely bright students of low to middle income families. they deserve to be in the top 20.

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Thank you for the votes and support! We really appreciate it!

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I'm not a fan of racial quotas, but I voted and you should too!!

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It does not change the fact that some kids are getting in because of their race, and some kids are not getting in because of their race. However, given the shambles of JC public schools I will trade one bit of soft-headed do-gooder junk for a serious competitive school that cranks out kids ready to compete with the best in the world.


It does crank out kids ready to compete with the best in the world. It consistently sends 99% of its students to college, and of that 99% it consistently sends at least 10% of its students to ivy league institutions, and many more than that to other very competitive schools. Not only does it send them to great schools, but WITH enough AP credit to consider them sophomores.

I'm not here to argue about affirmative action, that's entirely another issue unrelated to this post. I will argue that the diversity helps, but I won't argue whether it's ethical. That's a debate that could go on and has gone on for years. This is merely a post to politely ask for the support of local citizens in hopes to aid its financial handicap. If you do not support it, then that's okay, thank you for your time, we're not trying to impede on your belief system. But if you do, thank you for your support.

And for the record, I'm a McNair alumnus.

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The story is that this quota system was part of some kind of legal settlement imposed on the school. I have been unable to find evidence of it, but it is generally accepted as true.

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It does not change the fact that some kids are getting in because of their race, and some kids are not getting in because of their race.

However, given the shambles of JC public schools I will trade one bit of soft-headed do-gooder junk for a serious competitive school that cranks out kids ready to compete with the best in the world.


Right. What about the children that are tremendously talented but are denied entry because of something as arbitrary as the color of their skin? What does THAT teach children?

Instead of ignoring race, we are highlighting it.

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It does not change the fact that some kids are getting in because of their race, and some kids are not getting in because of their race.

However, given the shambles of JC public schools I will trade one bit of soft-headed do-gooder junk for a serious competitive school that cranks out kids ready to compete with the best in the world.

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They use a goddamn racial quota? You've got to be kidding me. How do you know this?


And it's actually very beneficial. The school's mission is to provide an ethnically, racially, economically diverse setting to foster development, acceptance, and achievement, and provide interpersonal and professional skills that will assist them in the future.

Combining the diversity of views and people, as well as ensuring their academic and extracurricular proficiency, works to the benefit of the students. Numbers seem to agree. You can see for yourself if you'd like:

NJ Department of Education School Report Card for McNair Academic High School

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They use a goddamn racial quota? You've got to be kidding me. How do you know this?


General admittance is based on a consensus of PSAT scores, academic performance from the 6th through 8th grades, extracurricular activities, and teacher recommendations. With the primary goal of diversity through affirmative action, the school's enrollment is based on a quota of 25% White, 25% Black, 25% Hispanic, and 25% Other (mostly Asian).

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