r_pinkowitz wrote: <-----Guilty!!! A funny...not so funny truth. One of my favorite brownstones in HP was on the market for 250k back in 95/96 ish. I passed on it think it was "too high" and now is on the market for over a million. Yes...I am kicking myself on that one. Quote:

kitten wrote: OP, please just admit that you are mad because you didn't buy a place when they were cheap. and now you are smacking yourself.

r_pinkowitz wrote: <-----Guilty!!! A funny...not so funny truth. One of my favorite brownstones in HP was on the market for 250k back in 95/96 ish. I passed on it think it was "too high" and now is on the market for over a million. Yes...I am kicking myself on that one. Quote:

kitten wrote: OP, please just admit that you are mad because you didn't buy a place when they were cheap. and now you are smacking yourself.

Crazy_Chester wrote:
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crushthedemoniac wrote:
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VanVorster wrote:
I think he's also alluding to the prevailing sense of entitlement that some exhibit that because they now live here, those who were already here (e.g. latino people on Columbus Ave) need to get out or lamenting some of the things that often exist in cities (diversity, dollar stores, more noise) to appeal to their sensibilities. I personally want the City to improve (parks/greenspace, better streets/roads, varied retail) but I don't want it to morph into a carbon copy of Hoboken.

Yes that all fine and good, but in reality I see no difference between the two anymore. Give it a few more years and JC will have all those soccer moms and frat bros, just like Hoboken. Sad but most likely true.

Oh, stop it. You know you want to be a frat boy and bang a soccer mom.

kitten wrote: OP, please just admit that you are mad because you didn't buy a place when they were cheap. and now you are smacking yourself.

crushthedemoniac wrote:
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VanVorster wrote:
I think he's also alluding to the prevailing sense of entitlement that some exhibit that because they now live here, those who were already here (e.g. latino people on Columbus Ave) need to get out or lamenting some of the things that often exist in cities (diversity, dollar stores, more noise) to appeal to their sensibilities. I personally want the City to improve (parks/greenspace, better streets/roads, varied retail) but I don't want it to morph into a carbon copy of Hoboken.

Yes that all fine and good, but in reality I see no difference between the two anymore. Give it a few more years and JC will have all those soccer moms and frat bros, just like Hoboken. Sad but most likely true.

JC98 wrote:

The other morning I sat by the fountain and I saw one of these guys who have the hair in their face and a full beard. I ask my friend about the intention and he says:\"It is not a beard. It is the ironic take on a beard.\" I wish you would take your ironic beard back to Alpine.

VanVorster wrote:
I think he's also alluding to the prevailing sense of entitlement that some exhibit that because they now live here, those who were already here (e.g. latino people on Columbus Ave) need to get out or lamenting some of the things that often exist in cities (diversity, dollar stores, more noise) to appeal to their sensibilities. I personally want the City to improve (parks/greenspace, better streets/roads, varied retail) but I don't want it to morph into a carbon copy of Hoboken.

crushthedemoniac wrote:
I dont mean to single you out Stani, its just that whenever this topic arises this is always the typical answer. I understand what the og poster is talking about, and its not that they want it to look like Ocean ave but also not like a mini Hoboken or Manhattan like it does now.

crushthedemoniac wrote:

I dont mean to single you out Stani, its just that whenever this topic arises this is always the typical answer. I understand what the og poster is talking about, and its not that they want it to look like Ocean ave but also not like a mini Hoboken or Manhattan like it does now.

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crushthedemoniac wrote:

The same old stupid response.

Well I'm sorry, but if the OP's issue was only with VVP and not Jersey City as a whole, he/she should have been more explicit.

crushthedemoniac wrote:

The same old stupid response.

stani wrote:
Don't be so blue, there are still plenty of parts of Jersey City that are rough like the good ole days. Maybe not downtown, but certainly pockets of Greenville, Bergen Lafayette and others. You could probably move to MLK Dr. and it would seem like '98 all over again.

JC98 wrote:
I moved to Jersey City in 1998.
I moved to Jersey City in 1998 from Europe in order to work in New York City and to escape the pretense of the Big Apple.
Eleven years ago this was a \"down to earth place\". It was \"uncool\" to live here by Manhattan standard. That was exactly what I was looking for.
The last thing I wanted was uninspired white American middle class taste and the culture of entitlement that seems to be favorably exercised by millions of citizens in this country. By complaining about minor BS like toddlers about missing toys.
JC List is a wonderful example.
I never have moved to an area before and expected the area to change for me. A lot of Americans seem to have a different take on that.
In 1998 \"Hard Grove\" was a Cuban Cafe. Not the copy of a Cuban Cafe. The plates were full, prices very reasonable, the music salsa and the waitress was Lisa. Lisa was an excellent waitress, known in the neighborhood, fast, funny and unpretentious.
\"Hard Grove\" is now a \"place to go\". Lisa is fired and the waiters wear skinny jeans. It is mostly pretty empty, atmosphere is missing and the food is mediocre.
But Newark Avenue has benches now. I guess black people didn\'t need a place to rest back in the day.
And Steven Fulop holds his Fund Raisers in the acutely authentic German beer garden where they all meet: the yuppies, the hippsters and the exerted pushchair owners. (It can\'t be any old pushchair though.) The folks you wanted to attract by giving it up for the investor. Our good old Jersey City.
In the morning I can watch the fitness idiots in Van Vorst Park. In fact, if I had the time, I could watch them all day. They are stretching and falling all over each other, because there is no bloody space in between them and the disciplined white husband (white is for me, by the way, a life approach, not the skin color) who is taking the pathetic idea of a dog for a walk. Because his nerve wracking blue eyed \"OHHH MY GOOOD THIS IS SOOO FUNNY\" girl friend/wife, he has stopped bedding a while ago, makes him do it.
The other morning I sat by the fountain and I saw one of these guys who have the hair in their face and a full beard. I ask my friend about the intention and he says:\"It is not a beard. It is the ironic take on a beard.\" I wish you would take your ironic beard back to Alpine.
We also have pet photographers in the neighborhood now. And little shops where people can buy shit they don\'t need to keep the economy going. Meanwhile they are complaining about stores on Newark Avenue where you can -actually- buy things you do need. Mostly for a dollar. And that was fine the past decade. Everybody was happy with that. Not anymore.

JC98 wrote:
I moved to Jersey City in 1998.
I moved to Jersey City in 1998 from Europe in order to work in New York City and to escape the pretense of the Big Apple.
Eleven years ago this was a \"down to earth place\". It was \"uncool\" to live here by Manhattan standard. That was exactly what I was looking for.
The last thing I wanted was uninspired white American middle class taste and the culture of entitlement that seems to be favorably exercised by millions of citizens in this country. By complaining about minor BS like toddlers about missing toys.
JC List is a wonderful example.
I never have moved to an area before and expected the area to change for me. A lot of Americans seem to have a different take on that.
In 1998 \"Hard Grove\" was a Cuban Cafe. Not the copy of a Cuban Cafe. The plates were full, prices very reasonable, the music salsa and the waitress was Lisa. Lisa was an excellent waitress, known in the neighborhood, fast, funny and unpretentious.
\"Hard Grove\" is now a \"place to go\". Lisa is fired and the waiters wear skinny jeans. It is mostly pretty empty, atmosphere is missing and the food is mediocre.
But Newark Avenue has benches now. I guess black people didn\'t need a place to rest back in the day.
And Steven Fulop holds his Fund Raisers in the acutely authentic German beer garden where they all meet: the yuppies, the hippsters and the exerted pushchair owners. (It can\'t be any old pushchair though.) The folks you wanted to attract by giving it up for the investor. Our good old Jersey City.
In the morning I can watch the fitness idiots in Van Vorst Park. In fact, if I had the time, I could watch them all day. They are stretching and falling all over each other, because there is no bloody space in between them and the disciplined white husband (white is for me, by the way, a life approach, not the skin color) who is taking the pathetic idea of a dog for a walk. Because his nerve wracking blue eyed \"OHHH MY GOOOD THIS IS SOOO FUNNY\" girl friend/wife, he has stopped bedding a while ago, makes him do it.
The other morning I sat by the fountain and I saw one of these guys who have the hair in their face and a full beard. I ask my friend about the intention and he says:\"It is not a beard. It is the ironic take on a beard.\" I wish you would take your ironic beard back to Alpine.
We also have pet photographers in the neighborhood now. And little shops where people can buy shit they don\'t need to keep the economy going. Meanwhile they are complaining about stores on Newark Avenue where you can -actually- buy things you do need. Mostly for a dollar. And that was fine the past decade. Everybody was happy with that. Not anymore.

EthanCrane wrote:
Yep, that's it exactly: the smug I-was-here-first attitude that so often shows up on JC List.

BTW, being here 11 years doesn't make you a long-timer. I also moved here in '98 and I'm happy with the neighborhood improvements.

No, the Hard Grove isn't what it was. I guess that's white people's fault.

JC98 wrote:
I moved to Jersey City in 1998.
I moved to Jersey City in 1998 from Europe in order to work in New York City and to escape the pretense of the Big Apple.
Eleven years ago this was a \"down to earth place\". It was \"uncool\" to live here by Manhattan standard. That was exactly what I was looking for.
The last thing I wanted was uninspired white American middle class taste and the culture of entitlement that seems to be favorably exercised by millions of citizens in this country. By complaining about minor BS like toddlers about missing toys.
JC List is a wonderful example.
I never have moved to an area before and expected the area to change for me. A lot of Americans seem to have a different take on that.
In 1998 \"Hard Grove\" was a Cuban Cafe. Not the copy of a Cuban Cafe. The plates were full, prices very reasonable, the music salsa and the waitress was Lisa. Lisa was an excellent waitress, known in the neighborhood, fast, funny and unpretentious.
\"Hard Grove\" is now a \"place to go\". Lisa is fired and the waiters wear skinny jeans. It is mostly pretty empty, atmosphere is missing and the food is mediocre.
But Newark Avenue has benches now. I guess black people didn\'t need a place to rest back in the day.
And Steven Fulop holds his Fund Raisers in the acutely authentic German beer garden where they all meet: the yuppies, the hippsters and the exerted pushchair owners. (It can\'t be any old pushchair though.) The folks you wanted to attract by giving it up for the investor. Our good old Jersey City.
In the morning I can watch the fitness idiots in Van Vorst Park. In fact, if I had the time, I could watch them all day. They are stretching and falling all over each other, because there is no bloody space in between them and the disciplined white husband (white is for me, by the way, a life approach, not the skin color) who is taking the pathetic idea of a dog for a walk. Because his nerve wracking blue eyed \"OHHH MY GOOOD THIS IS SOOO FUNNY\" girl friend/wife, he has stopped bedding a while ago, makes him do it.
The other morning I sat by the fountain and I saw one of these guys who have the hair in their face and a full beard. I ask my friend about the intention and he says:\"It is not a beard. It is the ironic take on a beard.\" I wish you would take your ironic beard back to Alpine.
We also have pet photographers in the neighborhood now. And little shops where people can buy shit they don\'t need to keep the economy going. Meanwhile they are complaining about stores on Newark Avenue where you can -actually- buy things you do need. Mostly for a dollar. And that was fine the past decade. Everybody was happy with that. Not anymore.