Crazy_Chester wrote:
Lets just call this what it is. Jealousy. The working-class stiff sees a bunch of suits move into the neighborhood and the blood pressure goes up. It was fine when everyone wore a shirt with their name sewn on it and carried a lunchbox to work and knocked back a few Rheingolds at the end of the day. But the invasion of the suits and their preference for European lagers serves as visible evidence that blue-collar Charlie hasn't quite made it up the ladder as far as he would have liked. Charlie scrapes his knuckles and suffers backaches for his craft. Biff maybe will get carpal tunnel. Charlie builds things. Biff shuffles money around. It isn't fair!

Of course, the above scenario is really more of a caricature or sitcom. I think the typical new JC resident is similar to me. Not really young, but an urban professional (as opposed to amateur, I guess.) Raised in a union/middle class household, barely graduated college (financially and academically), found a job in finance that pays pretty well and scraped up enough to get a decent condo. Maybe they "settled" on JC or maybe they just really wanted to stay in NJ near friends and family. But we pretty much just want to live and let live. You can see us in the bars sometimes. We usually sit between the handful of obnoxious yuppies/fratboys/jocks/bigswingingjohnsons drinking Amstels and another handful of seething-with-jealousy, born-and-bred, JC-"educated", wannabe-anarchists knocking back something brewed within 20 miles.

I would suggest that the yuppies/fratboys/jocks/bigswingingjohnsons stop making it so easy to hate them, but I don't think that they can really help themselves. Anyway, they really are precious few of these creatures in Jersey City. Perhaps the ragers could do themselves a favor and stop even thinking about these folks. Just ignore them. And stop hating on all that is new. Its a big city. There are still plenty of other places you can go for whatever. Your health will benefit. I mean, some of you are already hating on a still-unopened deli.

A friggin' deli.

Crazy_Chester wrote:
I just doubt that you have no jealousy. Not going to waste the Listers time elaborating, though.

Crazy_Chester wrote:
Lets just call this what it is. Jealousy. The working-class stiff sees a bunch of suits move into the neighborhood and the blood pressure goes up. It was fine when everyone wore a shirt with their name sewn on it and carried a lunchbox to work and knocked back a few Rheingolds at the end of the day. But the invasion of the suits and their preference for European lagers serves as visible evidence that blue-collar Charlie hasn't quite made it up the ladder as far as he would have liked. Charlie scrapes his knuckles and suffers backaches for his craft. Biff maybe will get carpal tunnel. Charlie builds things. Biff shuffles money around. It isn't fair!

Of course, the above scenario is really more of a caricature or sitcom. I think the typical new JC resident is similar to me. Not really young, but an urban professional (as opposed to amateur, I guess.) Raised in a union/middle class household, barely graduated college (financially and academically), found a job in finance that pays pretty well and scraped up enough to get a decent condo. Maybe they "settled" on JC or maybe they just really wanted to stay in NJ near friends and family. But we pretty much just want to live and let live. You can see us in the bars sometimes. We usually sit between the handful of obnoxious yuppies/fratboys/jocks/bigswingingjohnsons drinking Amstels and another handful of seething-with-jealousy, born-and-bred, JC-"educated", wannabe-anarchists knocking back something brewed within 20 miles.

I would suggest that the yuppies/fratboys/jocks/bigswingingjohnsons stop making it so easy to hate them, but I don't think that they can really help themselves. Anyway, they really are precious few of these creatures in Jersey City. Perhaps the ragers could do themselves a favor and stop even thinking about these folks. Just ignore them. And stop hating on all that is new. Its a big city. There are still plenty of other places you can go for whatever. Your health will benefit. I mean, some of you are already hating on a still-unopened deli.

A friggin' deli.

Crazy_Chester wrote:
I have my doubts.

Crazy_Chester wrote:
Lets just call this what it is. Jealousy. The working-class stiff sees a bunch of suits move into the neighborhood and the blood pressure goes up. It was fine when everyone wore a shirt with their name sewn on it and carried a lunchbox to work and knocked back a few Rheingolds at the end of the day. But the invasion of the suits and their preference for European lagers serves as visible evidence that blue-collar Charlie hasn't quite made it up the ladder as far as he would have liked. Charlie scrapes his knuckles and suffers backaches for his craft. Biff maybe will get carpal tunnel. Charlie builds things. Biff shuffles money around. It isn't fair!

Of course, the above scenario is really more of a caricature or sitcom. I think the typical new JC resident is similar to me. Not really young, but an urban professional (as opposed to amateur, I guess.) Raised in a union/middle class household, barely graduated college (financially and academically), found a job in finance that pays pretty well and scraped up enough to get a decent condo. Maybe they "settled" on JC or maybe they just really wanted to stay in NJ near friends and family. But we pretty much just want to live and let live. You can see us in the bars sometimes. We usually sit between the handful of obnoxious yuppies/fratboys/jocks/bigswingingjohnsons drinking Amstels and another handful of seething-with-jealousy, born-and-bred, JC-"educated", wannabe-anarchists knocking back something brewed within 20 miles.

I would suggest that the yuppies/fratboys/jocks/bigswingingjohnsons stop making it so easy to hate them, but I don't think that they can really help themselves. Anyway, they really are precious few of these creatures in Jersey City. Perhaps the ragers could do themselves a favor and stop even thinking about these folks. Just ignore them. And stop hating on all that is new. Its a big city. There are still plenty of other places you can go for whatever. Your health will benefit. I mean, some of you are already hating on a still-unopened deli.

A friggin' deli.

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GnomeGeneral wrote:

Hey mama, sorry to hear that you need to embellish some facts in order to make yourself appear more interesting. But hey, I guess you kinda have to in order to make your .5 cent deposit in every conversation more interesting. I believe there's a point when acceptance and "open-mindedness" becomes naivety. And that's exactly what I've observed from many of your posts. It's all peace, love and hair grease. Sorry I stomped on your rainbow colored sunglasses. As for yourself and your friends, not interested thanks. Probably wouldn't have much in common. Unless you're challenging me to a duel? Hey...were you threatening me cornholio?

I know, I know, positivity is such a downer and annoyance to folks like you. That's always interesting, how people have to try to rip down others with personal attacks. Classy stuff. I'm glad I was entertaining enough for you to remember me, let alone feel such venom towards me.

You don't intimidate me with your nastiness, by the way. It's all in good fun. For me, at least. Cuz I'm so naive and all.

Rock on with your scary bad self.

NewHeights wrote:
crushthedemoniac- Ill tell you how gentrification helps a city.

I'll paint a picture for you hows that.

A 20 unit rent controlled building with most if not all of its tenants on welfare and section 8. There are a total of 40 school age children living in this building. thats 2 per unit(i'm lowballing its more like 4 per unit). Remember the parents don't pay rent,taxes and few in the building work. The annual taxes on the building are $15,000 per yr.

A developer comes along and buys the building He/she proceeds to negotiate with the tenants to buy them out.
They all jump at the cash offers to vacate.

The developer gut renovates the building meanwhile employing local laborers and contractors.

After 18 months all 20 units sell to the new condo owners. Yes many of these new owners are the dreaded yuppies.
The avg tax on this 20 unit building is 5,000 per unit. that equates $100,000 in tax revenue to the city.

There are now a total of 5 school age children(thats a high ball #, more like 1 or 2 children) in the building and none go to the local public schools. this is very common amongst yuppies.

These yuppies also pump $ into the local economy by dining shopping etc paying more taxes and creating local jobs for restaurants shops etc not to mention more useless govt jobs.

lets not forget to mention that many of the previous tenants that occupied the building and their children will end up in the legal system and increase the need for police etc.The sad reality is crime and poverty go hand in hand.

thats how yuppies help a city unless of course you would rather have a disfunctional city. if thats the case move to Camden,NJ. dont't forget to send us a postcard.

MikeyTBC wrote:
I think it's time for another JC-list meet and greet.

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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think I would find educated yuppies more interesting and stimulating to talk to and interact with than the folks from the nearby projects. Again, this could just be me.

And AGAIN...yuppies don't mug people. Truth be told, I'd rather walk past a yuppie at 3 am than someone from the projects. Can anyone argue with that?

Do you guys have ANY idea how much safer the Downtown areas would be without those nearby projects?

You know its funny you say this. Some of the biggest douche bags Ive ever met have been these "well educated yuppies". Now when I say douch bags I mean have the same mentality as a highschool jock and absolutly nothing of value to say unless in some way it benefits them or makes them look better. Id rather talk to a squirell, thats not to say all of them are like this because I know how most of you get upset when a generalization is made.

I think you are confusing Yuppies with Frat Boys. Two different species. One is obsessed with upward mobility and status and the other likes beer and poontang.

Both don't mug people for I-Pods but an be annoying at best.

No no no my friend, I assure you they were yuppies, or since that word was pronounced dead we'll use young urban proffesionals (sounds like a word they'd use to sell one of the ugly high rises downtown).

DUDE...I have to say, you come off as nothing but bitter in ALL of your posts.

Here is a question...do you want Jersey City to become a better city?

EVERY city has parts that are nice and gentrified, and parts that are NOT. This is not unique to Jersey City. In fact, for years, Jersey City lagged behind, by not having ANY sections that were nice.

So if you crave a Jersey City that is not gentrified...there are PLENTY, and I mean plenty, of neighborhoods that will suit you. I suggest you move there, and stop complaining.

If Downtown disgusts you...then don't come Downtown!!!

GnomeGeneral wrote:

Hey mama, sorry to hear that you need to embellish some facts in order to make yourself appear more interesting. But hey, I guess you kinda have to in order to make your .5 cent deposit in every conversation more interesting. I believe there's a point when acceptance and "open-mindedness" becomes naivety. And that's exactly what I've observed from many of your posts. It's all peace, love and hair grease. Sorry I stomped on your rainbow colored sunglasses. As for yourself and your friends, not interested thanks. Probably wouldn't have much in common. Unless you're challenging me to a duel? Hey...were you threatening me cornholio?

I think you are confusing Yuppies with Frat Boys. Two different species. One is obsessed with upward mobility and status and the other likes beer and poontang.

Both don't mug people for I-Pods but an be annoying at best.

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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think I would find educated yuppies more interesting and stimulating to talk to and interact with than the folks from the nearby projects. Again, this could just be me.

And AGAIN...yuppies don't mug people. Truth be told, I'd rather walk past a yuppie at 3 am than someone from the projects. Can anyone argue with that?

Do you guys have ANY idea how much safer the Downtown areas would be without those nearby projects?

You know its funny you say this. Some of the biggest douche bags Ive ever met have been these "well educated yuppies". Now when I say douch bags I mean have the same mentality as a highschool jock and absolutly nothing of value to say unless in some way it benefits them or makes them look better. Id rather talk to a squirell, thats not to say all of them are like this because I know how most of you get upset when a generalization is made.

I think you are confusing Yuppies with Frat Boys. Two different species. One is obsessed with upward mobility and status and the other likes beer and poontang.

Both don't mug people for I-Pods but an be annoying at best.

No no no my friend, I assure you they were yuppies, or since that word was pronounced dead we'll use young urban proffesionals (sounds like a word they'd use to sell one of the ugly high rises downtown).

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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think I would find educated yuppies more interesting and stimulating to talk to and interact with than the folks from the nearby projects. Again, this could just be me.

And AGAIN...yuppies don't mug people. Truth be told, I'd rather walk past a yuppie at 3 am than someone from the projects. Can anyone argue with that?

Do you guys have ANY idea how much safer the Downtown areas would be without those nearby projects?

You know its funny you say this. Some of the biggest douche bags Ive ever met have been these "well educated yuppies". Now when I say douch bags I mean have the same mentality as a highschool jock and absolutly nothing of value to say unless in some way it benefits them or makes them look better. Id rather talk to a squirell, thats not to say all of them are like this because I know how most of you get upset when a generalization is made.

I think you are confusing Yuppies with Frat Boys. Two different species. One is obsessed with upward mobility and status and the other likes beer and poontang.

Both don't mug people for I-Pods but an be annoying at best.

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I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think I would find educated yuppies more interesting and stimulating to talk to and interact with than the folks from the nearby projects. Again, this could just be me.

And AGAIN...yuppies don't mug people. Truth be told, I'd rather walk past a yuppie at 3 am than someone from the projects. Can anyone argue with that?

Do you guys have ANY idea how much safer the Downtown areas would be without those nearby projects?

You know its funny you say this. Some of the biggest douche bags Ive ever met have been these "well educated yuppies". Now when I say douch bags I mean have the same mentality as a highschool jock and absolutly nothing of value to say unless in some way it benefits them or makes them look better. Id rather talk to a squirell, thats not to say all of them are like this because I know how most of you get upset when a generalization is made.

tommyc_37 wrote:
I don't know, maybe it's just me, but I think I would find educated yuppies more interesting and stimulating to talk to and interact with than the folks from the nearby projects. Again, this could just be me.

And AGAIN...yuppies don't mug people. Truth be told, I'd rather walk past a yuppie at 3 am than someone from the projects. Can anyone argue with that?

Do you guys have ANY idea how much safer the Downtown areas would be without those nearby projects?

MikeyTBC wrote:
I think it's time for another JC-list meet and greet.

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Let me start out by saying that I am the farthest thing from a yuppie. I will admit it can be a little much in hoboken......

I think the hate being portrayed on this board is more about the haves vs the have nots. worry about yourselves. Stop whining. I have liberal and conservative friends living in Hoboken. Some are musicians, artists and others are in corporate.its not all one type.

Do me a favor grab a beer on a sunny friday outside texas arizona and tell me how the women look that get off the path train. maybe thats just it ! Cant score the hot chicks? or maybe your one of those angry chicks that doesnt shave her arm pits?

Okay, my sincere apology to the person who started this thread because I'm going totally off-topic but this is my last post, promise. NewHeights, I think your parents should have smacked you just a little bit more when you were a whining, screaming, ugly baby annoying patrons at restaurants. I would have been the well-behaved girl next to you laughing at your obvious shortcomings. But really, is this what you do with your spare time, lecherously check-out women who get off the Hoboken PATH from a PIZZA place? Oh man. It's too easy. Your comeback was lame and worse your grammar sucks!! Besides that, you just convinced me that on top of all your shortcomings (boring, ignorant, lecherous) you are also sexist. When I see some fat ugly guy sitting at Texas Arizona, lecherously checking out the babes that get off the PATH, I'll be sure to call the cops-lamo. (BTW: I know some beautiful lesbians and hairy ones too that would happily kick your ass, just let me know and I'll arrange it).
Now, this thread was about taxes in Hoboken. You should all get back to it and sorry for going off thread. As for platitudes about getting along, I'm all for it, but you know what I've noticed lately, racism is like okay on the JC List. It seems it's not okay to say "frat boy" but it is okay to use words like "primitive" to refer to people that live on MLK and Montgomery. What's up with that? Heights, I think most people know you are ignorant and the selection of your primary source couldn't be more indicative of this. Please stop making stupid comments about things you haven't the slightest clue about. I mean really, I chuckled the other day: "Spaniards are Caucasians". You are a moron. Try and check out a history book every once in a while instead of Metro and check out what happened in Spain, um, let's see from 800-1492. You are a moron and so is anyone else that condones such blatant racism on this site. Peace

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And what is your point exactly JennyMama? I'd love to see you step away from your computer for a day, take a ride to Montgomery Gardens and "integrate" yourself into the "diversity" for a day. Submerge and swim it it, make friends! I'm sure you'll be very well equipped to deal with those folks with your Franklin Lakes (or whatever Bergen County town it is you came from) upbringing. It doesn't matter how much variety of people we surround ourselves with. When there's is a disparity between economic classes in one place, it doesn't make those who are well off "worldly" - it makes us "bait".

A#1: It's Mayla, not Mama.
B#2: It's Wyckoff, not Franklin Lakes.
C#3: It's too bad you color your life with fear and prejudice.

Seriously. You do not know me. What you know about me are the (often) extreme things I choose to tell you (yuppieness, dog, shoe fetish, Bergen county, etc.). These are told to you for dramatic effect and more often than not for fun or to make a point.

You don't know who my friends are, where I hang out, what I'm really like offline, face to face. You don't know how I feel when I walk down the street or when I'm out and about in Jersey City. You have NO. IDEA.

If you'd like to meet me, or any of my friends, PM me and maybe we can work something out. I think you would be surprised.

Oh, and for the record? My point was live and let live and not be so quick to judge. But that's besides the point now.

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Victoria, I guess I was right? Also please dont put words in my mouth. I never mentioned anything about lesbians either. When did I say anything about MLK or primitive? I think your confusing me with another poster or your just trying to spin me into somethin im not. Your hate disgusts me. Get a fkn life...oh... and shave your pits you skank.

Hey NewHeights, I'm laughing so hard. Your mom should definitely slap you a couple of more times cause I really don't think she would appreciate your language, fakeness, bad grammar, lack of manners and lack of culture. It would behoove you to understand that you're the one with hate, not me. BTW: if you want to arrange a date I will happily put my armpits in your face. It sounds like you are the type of guy that needs to pay women to do that. Ha ha. . .

NewHeights wrote:
Victoria, I guess I was right? Also please dont put words in my mouth. I never mentioned anything about lesbians either. When did I say anything about MLK or primitive? I think your confusing me with another poster or your just trying to spin me into somethin im not. Your hate disgusts me. Get a fkn life...oh... and shave your pits you skank.

Xerxes wrote:
MOVE TO THE JERSEY CITY WATERFFRONT...

because most of the projects there don't have to pay school taxes or County taxes like the dummies in Hoboken. So when you make the move the dumb Hobokenites will pay to educate your children.
Compliments of a bribed City Council, several criminal mayors and a broken judicial system.

Signed,
Sam Lefrak