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mendezia wrote:
It sucks that those dogs will probably be put down because of an ignorant, irresponsible owner.

Indeed it is - Now lets replace the word 'dog' with 'child' in this thread and the crime was, lets say vandalism - Shouldn't the accountability be with the 'owner' too ?
Could we lay blame to 'ignorant, irresponsible' parents and make them cough up the $'s that their siblings damage ?

Which should know better, a dog or child and why is a dog owner more accountable then a parent ?

This is why this case is so important in my book !

mendezia wrote:
It sucks that those dogs will probably be put down because of an ignorant, irresponsible owner.

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fat-ass-bike wrote:

I don't understand what 'very nice and friendly' has to do with it - We have all heard how mother's describe their sons who sell drugs or do a crime as being a loving and community minded child that attends church every Sunday.

I haven't.

I take it you never read the paper or watch the news on television, then?

hudsonhorizons wrote:
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fat-ass-bike wrote:

I don't understand what 'very nice and friendly' has to do with it - We have all heard how mother's describe their sons who sell drugs or do a crime as being a loving and community minded child that attends church every Sunday.

I haven't.

fat-ass-bike wrote:

I don't understand what 'very nice and friendly' has to do with it - We have all heard how mother's describe their sons who sell drugs or do a crime as being a loving and community minded child that attends church every Sunday.

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claire wrote:
I understand everyone is concerned about these dogs and their owners behaviour. I too own a dog and feel strongly about dogs being on a leash, especially big powerful dogs with irresponsible dog owners. I live in the area, in fact in the same building, and the dogs and the family were always friendly to me on the many occasions I met them, but that's not to say what apparently happened was awful. I have been reading the comments over the last few weeks and feel that some people are becoming a little bit vigilante? While I agree with much that is being said, it's beginning to sound a bit like a witch hunt and I can't believe that people are actually going to court to watch. I am sorry, but you need to relax and calm down. I hope you guys, who are becoming a bit zealots about this, never have to undergo the wrath of many people who write with such nastiness on this blog. Some of these post are beginning to frighten me with their intensity ! In fact all zealots frighten me! Whether they are guilty or not please lets also remember that this family we are talking about are human beings like the rest of us. So while mistakes may have been made, are we all so so wonderfully perfect?... come on guys lets find something else more positive to focus on for a while and let this family be.

Really good point, Claire. In some aspects I agree. But for what it's worth, it's a bunch of talk talk here -- mostly venting -- since it's easy to be hardcore from the safety of your desk or living room couch.

And per your other post, you don't have to apologize for anything. Your point of view is welcome. I don't really know the family either but I remember the mom and son from when I lived in PH and they were always very \\nice and friendly. It shocks me that this is the same family, but it goes to show you just never know anyone until you are in their shoes.

Hope you'll stick around!

I don't understand what 'very nice and friendly' has to do with it - We have all heard how mother's describe their sons who sell drugs or do a crime as being a loving and community minded child that attends church every Sunday.

Here we have a serious community issue about accountability of dog ownership and how the powers that be, will make an important judgement.
I'm not concerned whether or not the owner is a saint or the dogs that attack are a positive companion for a disabled child - basically all that is important is addressing the victims claim and making those accountable.

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claire wrote:
I understand everyone is concerned about these dogs and their owners behaviour. I too own a dog and feel strongly about dogs being on a leash, especially big powerful dogs with irresponsible dog owners. I live in the area, in fact in the same building, and the dogs and the family were always friendly to me on the many occasions I met them, but that's not to say what apparently happened was awful. I have been reading the comments over the last few weeks and feel that some people are becoming a little bit vigilante? While I agree with much that is being said, it's beginning to sound a bit like a witch hunt and I can't believe that people are actually going to court to watch. I am sorry, but you need to relax and calm down. I hope you guys, who are becoming a bit zealots about this, never have to undergo the wrath of many people who write with such nastiness on this blog. Some of these post are beginning to frighten me with their intensity ! In fact all zealots frighten me! Whether they are guilty or not please lets also remember that this family we are talking about are human beings like the rest of us. So while mistakes may have been made, are we all so so wonderfully perfect?... come on guys lets find something else more positive to focus on for a while and let this family be.

Really good point, Claire. In some aspects I agree. But for what it's worth, it's a bunch of talk talk here -- mostly venting -- since it's easy to be hardcore from the safety of your desk or living room couch.

And per your other post, you don't have to apologize for anything. Your point of view is welcome. I don't really know the family either but I remember the mom and son from when I lived in PH and they were always very nice and friendly. It shocks me that this is the same family, but it goes to show you just never know anyone until you are in their shoes.

Hope you'll stick around!

claire wrote:
I understand everyone is concerned about these dogs and their owners behaviour. I too own a dog and feel strongly about dogs being on a leash, especially big powerful dogs with irresponsible dog owners. I live in the area, in fact in the same building, and the dogs and the family were always friendly to me on the many occasions I met them, but that's not to say what apparently happened was awful. I have been reading the comments over the last few weeks and feel that some people are becoming a little bit vigilante? While I agree with much that is being said, it's beginning to sound a bit like a witch hunt and I can't believe that people are actually going to court to watch. I am sorry, but you need to relax and calm down. I hope you guys, who are becoming a bit zealots about this, never have to undergo the wrath of many people who write with such nastiness on this blog. Some of these post are beginning to frighten me with their intensity ! In fact all zealots frighten me! Whether they are guilty or not please lets also remember that this family we are talking about are human beings like the rest of us. So while mistakes may have been made, are we all so so wonderfully perfect?... come on guys lets find something else more positive to focus on for a while and let this family be.

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K-Lo wrote:
Friday's Jersey Journal reported that Susan Kolb, the owner of the Paulus Hook mastiffs who attacked a young man, will have a hearing at Jersey City Municipal Court, 365 SUMMIT Ave, on Tuesday, 2/3, at 1 pm.

http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/jerse ... 23330036231670.xml&coll=3

Are there any members who are able to attend? This hearing is a probable cause hearing, where a judge would determine if there is enough proof for the case to proceed to a grand jury and possibly criminal court. Irene, member and lawyer, will try to be there by 1pm. This dog owner has been a problem for other law abiding dog owners.

Please reply to this email if you can attend.

Thanks!
Pam

K-Lo, It's my understanding that the hearing in JCMC is on totally separate issues from what the HCPO presenting before the Grand Jury.

JCMC, would handle the summons for dog off leash and the state's Vicious Dog Law and any other violations they received. The HCPO gave a statement in that article: "We intend to present the matter to a grand jury for the consideration of possible charges of aggravated assault (against the owner)," Hudson County Prosecutor Edward DeFazio said yesterday.

K-Lo wrote:
Friday's Jersey Journal reported that Susan Kolb, the owner of the Paulus Hook mastiffs who attacked a young man, will have a hearing at Jersey City Municipal Court, 365 SUMMIT Ave, on Tuesday, 2/3, at 1 pm.

http://www.nj.com/news/jjournal/jerse ... 23330036231670.xml&coll=3

Are there any members who are able to attend? This hearing is a probable cause hearing, where a judge would determine if there is enough proof for the case to proceed to a grand jury and possibly criminal court. Irene, member and lawyer, will try to be there by 1pm. This dog owner has been a problem for other law abiding dog owners.

Please reply to this email if you can attend.

Thanks!
Pam

johnspat wrote:
I have encountered the mother and son many times in the hood and was on edge. I think this is going to be an extremely interesting legal case to follow. Why?

1. They live in a rich area. (I live here and feel poor too, but yes, it is a rich area.)

2. Son has disabilities but seemed to love his walks with these dogs.

3. Dog community will be 50/50 on their opinion.

4. Parents of children with disabilities will 100/100 on how the dogs helped the son.

5. The owner is white and presentable and some of the victims are not. (I am white and do not know any of the victims. I am calling out the media and the white voting powerful contingent on being lenient on white people.)

6. Substantially differing views of events during \"attacks\"

7. Were they really trying to breed them? Breeding large breed dogs in downtown jersey city in a small apartment is a really bad idea. Especially when you have large (plus 100 lbs) dogs in a building that only allows 45lbs dog. The building website states this.

8. If the dogs are put down, what is the effect on the son? Many groups will come out and say that his ability to \"socialize\" was a result of the daily dog walks. I know many local businesses knew them well and went out of their way to explain how great they were.

Again, I have encountered them many a time, sometimes with a toddler walking and sometimes with a stroller and I don\'t know how I feel about it. My current gut is that the dogs helped the son gain confidence, but it was the wrong kind of confidence, (dogs and him intimated people into being friendly) and the dogs were too big given that situation. The repeated \"attacks\" are not helping their situation.

I think either the owner will get out of town leaving the dogs to die, or this is going to court. Since I live in the hood and don\'t want my kids to get hurt I am okay with the dogs being put down. However, I would like to see what a jury of peers thinks.

hudsonhorizons wrote:
A 400 lb. dog? Really? C'mon now.

Gorillas weigh 400 lbs. max. Lions weigh like 500 lbs.

These dogs sound like a menace, but exaggerating does nobody any good.

Breathe people.