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Did the man hit his head? Or is he again banking on the idea that no one in New Hampshire has access to Google and can check the record.

None of the above. Remember, this is the Republican primary, check your facts at the door. If Carly Fiorina can get away with unsubstantiated allegations about Planned Parenthood based on a non-existent video; Dr. Ben Carson can ignore mis-information about vaccinating kids; and Donald Trump need not have a sensible comment about, well, anything, Gov. Christie is in the clear.

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It's official: Gov. Chris Christie has lost his mind.

In New Hampshire recently, he told an unsuspecting audience that America should do more to promote affordable housing.

This came on the heels of his six-year campaign to demolish New Jersey's affordable housing program, and to offer nothing in its place.

Did the man hit his head? Or is he again banking on the idea that no one in New Hampshire has access to Google and can check the record.

Here's what they'd find: New Jersey has the nation's fifth highest foreclosure rate, and the fifth most unaffordable rentals.

He has done nothing about either crisis... More


Another Republican douchebag is a hypocritical liar, in other news...

BTW, Nice to link at the end, but you should attribute at the beginning of your post, till the end I thought it was your own words.

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By quoting the Star Ledger Editorial Board on a Christie issue, you might as well be quoting Fox News on a Hillary issue.

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It's official: Gov. Chris Christie has lost his mind.

In New Hampshire recently, he told an unsuspecting audience that America should do more to promote affordable housing.

This came on the heels of his six-year campaign to demolish New Jersey's affordable housing program, and to offer nothing in its place.

Did the man hit his head? Or is he again banking on the idea that no one in New Hampshire has access to Google and can check the record.

Here's what they'd find: New Jersey has the nation's fifth highest foreclosure rate, and the fifth most unaffordable rentals.

He has done nothing about either crisis... More

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Pretty amusing that no one has pointed out the complete logical disconnect in the two positions (mostly espoused by liberals) being discussed here often: on the one hand they want the poor "shuttled out" to suburbs (in some odd attempt to "integrate" those communities) but then you have a similar group of people advocating (demanding at times!) that people should move into core urban centers to lessen the impact of humans on the environment, to achieve economy of scales by concentrating mass transit in those centers, etc.

So, do we want people to move back to urban centers? Or, do we want to move the poor out to suburbs? Why both?? And, seriously, I can not comprehend WHY communities should be forced and overruled on what and how they choose to develop their housing and development.

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Utopian pipe dream, because it would helicopter people into rich Democratic towns-and they'd freak. It would be almost worthwhile seeing it happen, though, just to watch David Geffen see a low income housing project get built next to his Malibu compound. He already had conniptions about allowing legal beach access to blonde, blue eyed surfer boys!

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I think she's right on point. Looks like a lot hinges on an upcoming Supreme Court decision. They can have a spotty track record but I'd trust them over the other two branches of our government any day.


50 to 1 you will be singing a different tune, when the Supreme Court votes to affirm the constitutionality of same-sex marriage.


You are not very good at reading a situation and calculating odds. Do yourself a favor and stay away from a casino.

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Betsy's arguments aren't necessarily wrong - but somewhat cherry-picked - and there's another side of the coin. The question HUD is trying to address - how do we break generations of urban ghettoization and give the poor real opportunities for upward mobility? Of course you have to agree with the inherent and unstated social principles to accept the need for that.

http://nonprofitquarterly.org/2015/03 ... -place-based-initiatives/

Economic Segregation: Place-Based Inequality

For decades, journalists, sociologists, and philanthropists have studied the lives and neighborhoods of the poor but downplayed the broader dynamics of inequality of income, wealth, and power that trapped many low-income families in urban (and now, increasingly, suburban) ghettos. A turning point in recent social science was William Julius Wilson’s 1987 book, The Truly Disadvantaged: The Inner City, the Underclass, and Public Policy, which examined the “neighborhood effects” of living in areas with a large number of other poor people.20 Wilson looked not only at the conditions of the poor but at the larger forces—such as the decline of good-paying manufacturing jobs in urban centers—that led to the increased concentration of poverty.

Wilson’s study spawned a cottage industry of research devoted to understanding the geography of poverty—the consequences of living in areas of concentrated poverty, often compounded by racial segregation.21 But most of those studies paid little attention to the dynamic of widening economic inequality of income and wealth, the proliferation of low-wage jobs, the excessive compensation of top corporate executives, and the growing geographic isolation of America’s wealthy living in urban and suburban enclaves.

Few social scientists, foundation staffers, or policy-makers were asking, What about the consequences of living in areas of concentrated wealth? Who studies the lives of people in our wealthiest communities like San Marino, Bel Air, Greenwich, Lake Forest, and Bloomfield Hills, where the 1 percent (or, more accurately, the .01 percent) live?22 Why don’t foundations fund more research about the overlapping networks of corporate board members and the decisions made by top executives that have devastating impacts on the entire society, including middle-class and low-income people and their communities? Why don’t more social scientists explore the “culture of the rich” to learn how their daily lives and routines make most (though not all) of them immune to understanding (or caring about) the consequences of their corporate decisions on the lives of the poor and middle class?23 Why do we have to rely on after-the-fact reports by journalists and academics to get a glimpse into the decisions by top Wall Street executives that caused financial havoc, recession, layoffs, the epidemic of foreclosures, and the reality that, several years into the “recovery,” millions of Americans are still drowning in debt with “underwater” mortgages?24

In recent decades, places—neighborhoods, cities and suburbs, and regions—have become more unequal. Economic classes are becoming more separate from each other as the rich increasingly live with other rich people and the poor live with other poor people. Over the last half-century, the poor have become concentrated in central cities and distressed inner suburbs, while the rich live mostly in exclusive central-city neighborhoods and outer suburbs.

Living in high-poverty neighborhoods isolates residents from job opportunities, restricts them to bad schools, imposes unhealthy environments, and makes them pay high grocery prices. Such factors strongly influence individual life chances. Many studies show that most people leave such places whenever they can, suggesting they have little doubt about the negative consequences of living in such places.

Rising economic and geographic segregation reinforces disadvantage in central-city neighborhoods, speeds the deterioration of central cities and inner suburbs, and heightens the cost of suburban sprawl. A 2013 study examining variation in economic mobility across metropolitan areas got op-ed-page attention from the New York Times and columnist and Nobel Prize–winning economist Paul Krugman. Based on a massive data set of all tax filers in the United States from 1996 to 2011, the study found that—other things being equal—upward mobility was significantly higher in metropolitan areas with lower levels of economic segregation. The most likely explanation is that poor people, stuck in central cities and inner-ring suburbs, become isolated from economic opportunity when jobs sprawl out to distant suburbs.25

This dynamic would be bad enough if it simply reflected individual and household choices in free markets, but it does not. Federal and state policies have favored suburban sprawl, concentrated urban poverty, and promoted economic and racial segregation.26 Only new policies that level the metropolitan playing field and bring all parts of the metropolis into a dialogue can stop the drift toward greater spatial inequality. America needs central-city and suburban residents to unite in a new coalition to support shared prosperity.

Many cities are enjoying something of a revival. Young professionals and empty nesters are moving back to cities in search of pedestrian-friendly urban environments. These positive trends present opportunities for creating mixed-income neighborhoods and reversing decades of rising economic segregation. But this will not happen automatically. Indeed, the renewed vitality of many cities is generating new forms of economic segregation as gentrification pushes poor people, minorities, and immigrants out of cities into new suburban zones. This partly explains that explosion of suburban poverty in the past decade. Policies such as inclusionary zoning, which requires developers to build affordable housing along with market-rate housing, can ensure that urban revival moves toward equity.

However, cities by themselves cannot capture enough of the wealth generated within their borders to significantly reduce concentrated poverty. We need metropolitan-wide as well as federal policies to do that.

The problems of the different parts of metropolitan areas are interconnected. No part occupies the moral high ground. Overall progress will come only when the different parts of metropolitan areas work together and push for federal policies that create incentives for regional cooperation rather than beggar-thy-neighbor competition. But there are powerful interests that have a stake in the status quo that allows developers and businesses to pit cities against cities and regions against regions.

Democracy cannot flourish under conditions of extreme income inequality and residential segregation. The huge and growing gap between rich and poor communities results in tremendous differences in the quality of our schools, parks, garbage collection, and police and fire protection—as well as economic and social opportunities—across our metropolitan areas.

In the context of extreme local political fragmentation, economic and racial segregation has turned local governments into privatized interest groups concerned with the narrow self-interests of their residents. This cuts off those living in low-income neighborhoods and distressed suburbs from access to jobs and decent schools—or even the same kind of shopping and household services available to most Americans—and subjects them to unhealthy environments and poor healthcare. In this context, freedom of residential choice has little meaning. Growing economic segregation exacerbates income inequality and worsens its effects.

The pattern of metropolitan development in the United States helps explain why the United States has significantly lower levels of upward mobility than other developed countries.

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Government to force affordable housing in affluent suburbs, creating mixed income neighborhoods.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/the-mad- ... the-poor-in-rich-suburbs/


I can't wait to get my name of a Section 8 list for Aspen! Anywhere on Maui! I'd slum and do East Hampton or Palm Beach!


Well, do you have a job and income? If so then you don't qualify.


Retire in style and hide income offshore! I've got a plan! Vail would work too!

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I think she's right on point. Looks like a lot hinges on an upcoming Supreme Court decision. They can have a spotty track record but I'd trust them over the other two branches of our government any day.


50 to 1 you will be singing a different tune, when the Supreme Court votes to affirm the constitutionality of same-sex marriage.

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Government to force affordable housing in affluent suburbs, creating mixed income neighborhoods.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/the-mad- ... the-poor-in-rich-suburbs/

This is the bone-headed Betsey McCaughey (formerly McCaughey Ross) who was Lt. Governor under the bone-headed George Pataki - add that to the fact that she's writing [sic] for the Post, and you have the perfect storm of disinformation, right-wing pandering and propaganda.

If she really wants to enjoy the all white neighborhood her rich ex-husband paid for (I mean, she worked for) she should move to Manhattan.


So then she is wrong? Because I'm pretty sure she is not.

She was wrong about the Clinton Administration health plan, she spreads misinformation about the ACA, and she is wrong about this. Just Google her, there are plenty of critical articles about the positions she advocates.

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Government to force affordable housing in affluent suburbs, creating mixed income neighborhoods.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/the-mad- ... the-poor-in-rich-suburbs/

This is the bone-headed Betsey McCaughey (formerly McCaughey Ross) who was Lt. Governor under the bone-headed George Pataki - add that to the fact that she's writing [sic] for the Post, and you have the perfect storm of disinformation, right-wing pandering and propaganda.

If she really wants to enjoy the all white neighborhood her rich ex-husband paid for (I mean, she worked for) she should move to Manhattan.


So then she is wrong? Because I'm pretty sure she is not.


I think she's right on point. Looks like a lot hinges on an upcoming Supreme Court decision. They can have a spotty track record but I'd trust them over the other two branches of our government any day.

Interesting that the media has largely ignored a case of such importance. Here's hoping the court does the right thing.

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Government to force affordable housing in affluent suburbs, creating mixed income neighborhoods.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/the-mad- ... the-poor-in-rich-suburbs/

This is the bone-headed Betsey McCaughey (formerly McCaughey Ross) who was Lt. Governor under the bone-headed George Pataki - add that to the fact that she's writing [sic] for the Post, and you have the perfect storm of disinformation, right-wing pandering and propaganda.

If she really wants to enjoy the all white neighborhood her rich ex-husband paid for (I mean, she worked for) she should move to Manhattan.


So then she is wrong? Because I'm pretty sure she is not.

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Government to force affordable housing in affluent suburbs, creating mixed income neighborhoods.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/the-mad- ... the-poor-in-rich-suburbs/


I can't wait to get my name of a Section 8 list for Aspen! Anywhere on Maui! I'd slum and do East Hampton or Palm Beach!


Well, do you have a job and income? If so then you don't qualify.

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Government to force affordable housing in affluent suburbs, creating mixed income neighborhoods.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/the-mad- ... the-poor-in-rich-suburbs/

This is the bone-headed Betsey McCaughey (formerly McCaughey Ross) who was Lt. Governor under the bone-headed George Pataki - add that to the fact that she's writing [sic] for the Post, and you have the perfect storm of disinformation, right-wing pandering and propaganda.

If she really wants to enjoy the all white neighborhood her rich ex-husband paid for (I mean, she worked for) she should move to Manhattan.

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I can't wait to get my name of a Section 8 list for Aspen! Anywhere on Maui! I'd slum and do East Hampton or Palm Beach!

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Government to force affordable housing in affluent suburbs, creating mixed income neighborhoods.
http://nypost.com/2015/06/17/the-mad- ... the-poor-in-rich-suburbs/

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I came on an article about this in Curbed/NY - here is a link to a cool map, showing the availibility of housing units affordable for very low income households - http://datatools.urban.org/features/rental-housing-crisis-map/

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