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His mom said he was holding a sandwich, and not a gun, and was a good boy. Of course, he was wearing an electronic ankle bracelet when shot, because he was out on bail for gun possession and evading police!

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Let's see how this plays out; the dead man had a gun and kept firing his gun, apparently, at the off duty cop until it jammed.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/poli ... an-in-st-louis/ar-BB8fYZs


Really shows how stupid and racist the Ferguson mob is.

"An off-duty St. Louis police officer shot and killed an 18-year-old black man who had fired at him, authorities said Thursday, hours after people took to the streets to protest the killing, which some likened to the August police killing of an unarmed black man in nearby Ferguson."

Yeah I'd agree with them, this probably isn't too far off from the killing of Big Brown.

Time for some free TVs as they fight this latest "oppression!"

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Let's see how this plays out; the dead man had a gun and kept firing his gun, apparently, at the off duty cop until it jammed.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/poli ... an-in-st-louis/ar-BB8fYZs

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I feel really bad for innocent bystanders in Furgeson caught in the middle. While I hope any remaining rioters get mowed down by heavy machine gun fire from the national guard, can they all move to some field somewhere so the city isn't trashed further?

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But according to the link your buddy/alter ego posted, the facts will show the Grand Jury that Big Brown was in the wrong. Likely his fingerprints were found on Officer Wilson's gun. You can't arrest and try someone for a crime he did not commit.
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Can't see how Wilson won't get charged. If the state doesn't, the feds will.

And as far as alter-egos go, you still eating out those other circle-jerks? Never told us which JCMan you ate.


It's been reported lately that the Feds aren't going to charge Zimmerman in Florida, so don't be so sure about Officer Wilson being charged.


I have stayed out of this thread (for all the obvious reasons) but felt compelled to address this one topic: if the local grand jury fails to file charges, I doubt the feds will bring any charges. George Zimmerman is a perfect example of this. The feds got involved in the case because of political and societal pressure, but the facts alone (the facts that could be supported by evidence and eyewitness accounts) couldn't support the filing of charges. From the last article I read on the topic, the investigators in charge essentially admitted that the investigation was started (and kept alive) to calm things down until it would blow over. You can argue if this right or wrong, but it did serve some purposes.


Correct. The notion that the feds will "overrule" the grand jury to try to throw someone those at the top aren't happy with in prison, fortunately, isn't how we do things. If it started to be the way we did things then we would have much bigger problems than what we're discussing in this thread.

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But according to the link your buddy/alter ego posted, the facts will show the Grand Jury that Big Brown was in the wrong. Likely his fingerprints were found on Officer Wilson's gun. You can't arrest and try someone for a crime he did not commit.
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Can't see how Wilson won't get charged. If the state doesn't, the feds will.

And as far as alter-egos go, you still eating out those other circle-jerks? Never told us which JCMan you ate.


It's been reported lately that the Feds aren't going to charge Zimmerman in Florida, so don't be so sure about Officer Wilson being charged.


I have stayed out of this thread (for all the obvious reasons) but felt compelled to address this one topic: if the local grand jury fails to file charges, I doubt the feds will bring any charges. George Zimmerman is a perfect example of this. The feds got involved in the case because of political and societal pressure, but the facts alone (the facts that could be supported by evidence and eyewitness accounts) couldn't support the filing of charges. From the last article I read on the topic, the investigators in charge essentially admitted that the investigation was started (and kept alive) to calm things down until it would blow over. You can argue if this right or wrong, but it did serve some purposes.

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But according to the link your buddy/alter ego posted, the facts will show the Grand Jury that Big Brown was in the wrong. Likely his fingerprints were found on Officer Wilson's gun. You can't arrest and try someone for a crime he did not commit.
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Can't see how Wilson won't get charged. If the state doesn't, the feds will.

And as far as alter-egos go, you still eating out those other circle-jerks? Never told us which JCMan you ate.


It's been reported lately that the Feds aren't going to charge Zimmerman in Florida, so don't be so sure about Officer Wilson being charged.

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But according to the link your buddy/alter ego posted, the facts will show the Grand Jury that Big Brown was in the wrong. Likely his fingerprints were found on Officer Wilson's gun. You can't arrest and try someone for a crime he did not commit.
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Can't see how Wilson won't get charged. If the state doesn't, the feds will.

And as far as alter-egos go, you still eating out those other circle-jerks? Never told us which JCMan you ate.

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Considering the Ferguson protestors have essentially operated as a gigantic lynch mob this entire time, intelligent people expect them to go buckwild if they don't get the lynching of Officer Wilson that they desire.

What's surprising about this?


What's surprising? Perhaps they're simply asking for justice? Not a lynching. But that doesn't fit. Right?



They are getting justice. There is a large investigation underway that has been going for weeks. The real facts will be presented to an impartial Grand Jury.

But according to the link your buddy/alter ego posted, the facts will show the Grand Jury that Big Brown was in the wrong. Likely his fingerprints were found on Officer Wilson's gun. You can't arrest and try someone for a crime he did not commit.

So by that link's own admission, the Ferguson mob will go buckwild, back to rioting, looting, and burning down buildings, if they don't get Officer Wilson's head on a platter. I support the military's efforts to prepare for the Ferguson lynch mob.

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Considering the Ferguson protestors have essentially operated as a gigantic lynch mob this entire time, intelligent people expect them to go buckwild if they don't get the lynching of Officer Wilson that they desire.

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What's surprising? Perhaps they're simply asking for justice? Not a lynching. But that doesn't fit. Right?


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Considering the Ferguson protestors have essentially operated as a gigantic lynch mob this entire time, intelligent people expect them to go buckwild if they don't get the lynching of Officer Wilson that they desire.

What's surprising about this?

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I have also written a series of YA novels and i am occasionally engaged as a script doctor.

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So you didn't read the article and made up your own story instead, like a child pretending to read a book.


No, I directly addressed the justification the article covered.

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So you didn't read the article and made up your own story instead, like a child pretending to read a book.

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I've lost count of the times I've caught you domkops posting and discussing articles you clearly haven't read.
The article is clear about why that store is shutting down, mentions it several times and that it is just one of a number of underperforming Kmarts that are closing.



(guy who thinks a store getting looted during days of rioting is no big deal to corporate management)

By the way, as corporate management myself I can promise you that they made a statement on it being an "underperforming store" to avoid controversy. You are nuts if you think KMart will publicly announce that they don't want to maintain a store in a dangerous area. I'm sure it also has the virtue of being true, but of course costs incurred during the protests/riots will be factored in to the final determination.

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I've lost count of the times I've caught you domkops posting and discussing articles you clearly haven't read.
The article is clear about why that store is shutting down, mentions it several times and that it is just one of a number of underperforming Kmarts that are closing.


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Ferguson's Kmart is shutting down. One of 70+ businesses that were looted by the Ferguson mob.

Watch the rest of the reputable businesses follow suit. Surprise! It doesn't pay to set up shop in a slum infested by looters, lowlifes, and a community with absolutely no sense of personal responsibility.

You think Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the like will put their money with their mouth is and pay to set up businesses to serve the Ferguson community?

http://www.stltoday.com/business/loca ... d1-8c1f-58025e984d8e.html


I see that Al Sharpton and protestors have done a great service to Ferguson. Way to stand up for the community! Well done.

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Ferguson's Kmart is shutting down. One of 70+ businesses that were looted by the Ferguson mob.

Watch the rest of the reputable businesses follow suit. Surprise! It doesn't pay to set up shop in a slum infested by looters, lowlifes, and a community with absolutely no sense of personal responsibility.

You think Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the like will put their money with their mouth is and pay to set up businesses to serve the Ferguson community?

http://www.stltoday.com/business/loca ... d1-8c1f-58025e984d8e.html

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Another example of police video refuting the vile lies and racist allegations of a dirtbag.

http://conservativetribune.com/muslim-woman-tries-race-card/


What sort of Muslim would have the name Carnita?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnitas

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Another example of police video refuting the vile lies and racist allegations of a dirtbag.

http://conservativetribune.com/muslim-woman-tries-race-card/

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The logical conclusion to state violence, oppression and denial of justice is that people will start to fight back.
We can expect more violence and possibly cops will die.


Not really. In the 1960s, we had the black panthers that felt like you. The "logical conclusion", if history is any precedent, is that if similar militancy were to resurrect itself, that said group members will be hunted by every security agency in the country until they overwhelmingly cease to exist. Then normalcy will return to the country, with the problematic individuals either dead or in prison, which is exactly where they belong.

But one way or another, the troublemakers will cease to cause trouble. They can choose to simmer down on their own, or they drive real political, law enforcement and even military action to ensure that they are removed from society.

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Manhunt underway after officer shot in Ferguson, Mo

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The logical conclusion to state violence, oppression and denial of justice is that people will start to fight back.
We can expect more violence and possibly cops will die.

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The Ferguson mob is still at it. Glad I don't live there.

Ferguson police officer wounded in shooting, authorities hunt 2 suspects

Authorities said a Ferguson (Mo.) police officer was shot and wounded while on patrol Saturday evening.

St. Louis County Police Sgt. Brian Schellman said the shooting took place at approximately 9:30 p.m. local time. KTVI reported that the officer was shot in the arm and sustained non-life-threatening injuries. At least a dozen law enforcement agencies responded to the shooting, and police helicopters canvassed the area, but no arrests were immediately reported.

St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar told reporters early Sunday that the officer was shot after approaching two men at the Ferguson Community Center, which was closed at the time. As the officer approached, the men ran away. When the officer gave chase, "one of the men turned and shot," Belmar said.

Belmar did not give further details about the officer's condition. He said the officer returned fire but said police have "no indication" that either suspect was shot.

The shooting comes amid a fresh flare-up of unrest following the deadly August 9 shooting of a black teenager, Michael Brown, by a white police officer, Darren Wilson. The shooting sparked days of violent protests and racial unrest in the predominantly black community. Some residents and civil rights activists have said responding police officers were overly aggressive, noting their use of tear gas and surplus military vehicles and gear.

Belmar said he did not think the officer's shooting was related to two separate protests about Michael Brown's shooting that were going on Saturday night around the same time. Saturday's shooting occurred approximately two miles from where Brown died near his grandmother's apartment building. KTVI reported that dozens of protesters initially showed up at the scene in the mistaken belief that the officer had shot someone.

By midnight, approximately two dozen officers stood near a group of about 100 protesters who mingled on a street corner across from the police department, occasionally shouting, "No justice; no peace."

On Thursday night, Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson attempted to march with protesters hours after releasing a videotaped apology to Brown's family. In it, Jackson acknowledged Brown's body should have been removed from the street much sooner than the four hours it was there as police collected evidence.

He insisted officers meant no disrespect to the community or the family. "I'm truly sorry for the loss of your son," Jackson said.

Witnesses said Jackson agreed to join marchers Thursday but failed to tell officers monitoring his safety to stand down. They said that led to some officers forcing their way into the gathering, then pushing and shoving marchers. Several protesters were arrested.

"If (the officers) had just not come in, everything would be all right," protester Steven Wash, 26, of Ferguson, said Friday.

"Jackson decided to come out and broker some peace and pretty much asked what he could do to build a new level of trust, and police continued to come, come, come," Wade added. "The olive branch he tried to extend was great, and it showed he wasn't a robot. But police forced him out like he was a diplomat in a war zone."

The unrest Thursday occurred two days after many in the St. Louis suburb complained police did little to douse a fire that destroyed a makeshift Brown memorial.

The Justice Department, which is investigating whether Brown's civil rights were violated, is conducting a broader probe into Ferguson police. On Friday, it urged Jackson to ban his officers from wearing bracelets supporting Wilson while on duty and from covering up their name plates with black tape.

Ferguson residents complained about the bracelets, which are black with "I am Darren Wilson" in white lettering, at a meeting with federal officials this week.

Brown's shooting has also focused attention on the lack of diversity in many police departments across the country. In Ferguson, of 53 officers in a community that is two-thirds black, only three are African-American.

Also early Sunday, not far from Ferguson, an off-duty St. Louis city police officer was injured on Interstate 70 when three suspects fired shots into his personal vehicle, a police spokeswoman said.

Schron Jackson said the officer, who has nearly 20 years of experience, was being treated at a hospital for a minor injury to his arm from broken glass. She said there is no reason to believe the two shootings were related.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/09/28/ ... shooting-authorities-say/

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Your WASP revisionist history is one-sided at best. Britain's fear was a primary driver, leading it to abolish slavery ahead of the US. I bet members of the West India lobby shared your "ethnocentrist" and "elitist" view - and were asking why their slaves "couldn't protest peacefully?".

1801 - Irish Act of Union - Britain's fear-inspired response to rebellions in Ireland, inspired in turn by US and French revolutions
1807 - Britain abolishes slave trade - with help of 100 pro-abolitionist Irish MPs
1831-2 - Jamaican slave rebellions - inspired by 1790-1801 Haiti slave revolution - "many terrified plantation owners were now ready to accept abolition, rather than risk a widespread war. Just one week after Sharpe's death, Parliament appointed a committee to consider ways of ending slavery"
1832 - Great Reform Act - British fear-inspired response to European revolutions in the 1830's to "produce enough reform to turn the threat of revolution" - "two-thirds of those who supported slavery were swept from power. The once powerful West India Lobby had lost its political strength"
1833 - Britain abolishes slavery

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http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_113.html
http://abolition.e2bn.org/resistance_54.html
http://www.worldhistory.knowledge4afr ... /modern/revolution-01.jsp
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LOL, you're off the deep end. The British had absolutely minimal fear of any external group save the French during that era. They were an absolute superpower and Britain vs France was the more archaic equivalent of the US vs USSR. The notion that they were terrified of slaves and therefore banned it rather than that the abolitionist POV simply won out democratically is ridiculous. And LOL @ my "WASP revisionism." Good one.

FYI - with regards to the Great Reform Act, I guess I can give you that one. Though of course it wasn't fear of the slaves, it was fear of their own citizens, which was a much more serious issue. That led to reform and that led to even more representation of the dominant views, which were again, more progressive in the UK than the US. The US, of course, had democracy the entire time but banning slavery took considerably longer anyway and sparked a massive civil war. Which, if you recall relates to my original point. The US did not kick the British out because we were so progressive and the British were evil slave owning elitist jerks. We were elitist slave owning jerks as well and everyone who came to power was in the domestic elite.


I never said Britain as a nation feared slaves, but that it's fear of revolution and rebellion drove it to abolition faster than in the US . British abolition wasn't about a bunch of white Wilberforces sitting around a campfire singing "Amazing Grace" and gaining enlightenment.

Simply put, Thomas Jefferson was the main architect of abolition in both the US and UK (and France for that matter) - and the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution set the abolitionist dominoes falling.

In case you had forgotten

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S ... claration_of_Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


Yeah, those signing it didn't mean black men. See: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2933.html

And Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner himself, who, while harboring some abolitionist sentiments had a decidedly mixed record on slavery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery

In any event, you really cannot credit either Jefferson or the US Constitution (as originally drafted) as holding the roots to abolition. That is why abolishing slavery required a constitutional amendment (which, by definition means that the original constitution didn't serve the purpose).

Your first paragraph on fear of rebellion is true only indirectly. Fear of insurrection from the local (non-slave) population led to greater democracy, and the population was generally abolitionist.


The one thing I can probably agree with you on - there were a lot more racist (anti-abolitionist), dumbfuck knuckleheads in the US than the UK in the 1800s. And that's still true today.

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And the idea that the UK banned slavery because they feared a revolution highlights your total lack of British history. I suggest you stop shunning "White Anglo Saxon Protestant history books" when discussing European and American history.
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Your WASP revisionist history is one-sided at best. Britain's fear was a primary driver, leading it to abolish slavery ahead of the US. I bet members of the West India lobby shared your "ethnocentrist" and "elitist" view - and were asking why their slaves "couldn't protest peacefully?".

1801 - Irish Act of Union - Britain's fear-inspired response to rebellions in Ireland, inspired in turn by US and French revolutions
1807 - Britain abolishes slave trade - with help of 100 pro-abolitionist Irish MPs
1831-2 - Jamaican slave rebellions - inspired by 1790-1801 Haiti slave revolution - "many terrified plantation owners were now ready to accept abolition, rather than risk a widespread war. Just one week after Sharpe's death, Parliament appointed a committee to consider ways of ending slavery"
1832 - Great Reform Act - British fear-inspired response to European revolutions in the 1830's to "produce enough reform to turn the threat of revolution" - "two-thirds of those who supported slavery were swept from power. The once powerful West India Lobby had lost its political strength"
1833 - Britain abolishes slavery

Sources:
http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_111.html
http://abolition.e2bn.org/slavery_113.html
http://abolition.e2bn.org/resistance_54.html
http://www.worldhistory.knowledge4afr ... /modern/revolution-01.jsp
http://www.irish-society.org/home/hed ... y-events/the-act-of-union


LOL, you're off the deep end. The British had absolutely minimal fear of any external group save the French during that era. They were an absolute superpower and Britain vs France was the more archaic equivalent of the US vs USSR. The notion that they were terrified of slaves and therefore banned it rather than that the abolitionist POV simply won out democratically is ridiculous. And LOL @ my "WASP revisionism." Good one.

FYI - with regards to the Great Reform Act, I guess I can give you that one. Though of course it wasn't fear of the slaves, it was fear of their own citizens, which was a much more serious issue. That led to reform and that led to even more representation of the dominant views, which were again, more progressive in the UK than the US. The US, of course, had democracy the entire time but banning slavery took considerably longer anyway and sparked a massive civil war. Which, if you recall relates to my original point. The US did not kick the British out because we were so progressive and the British were evil slave owning elitist jerks. We were elitist slave owning jerks as well and everyone who came to power was in the domestic elite.


I never said Britain as a nation feared slaves, but that it's fear of revolution and rebellion drove it to abolition faster than in the US . British abolition wasn't about a bunch of white Wilberforces sitting around a campfire singing "Amazing Grace" and gaining enlightenment.

Simply put, Thomas Jefferson was the main architect of abolition in both the US and UK (and France for that matter) - and the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution set the abolitionist dominoes falling.

In case you had forgotten

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_S ... claration_of_Independence

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.


Yeah, those signing it didn't mean black men. See: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/4h2933.html

And Thomas Jefferson was a slave owner himself, who, while harboring some abolitionist sentiments had a decidedly mixed record on slavery: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson_and_slavery

In any event, you really cannot credit either Jefferson or the US Constitution (as originally drafted) as holding the roots to abolition. That is why abolishing slavery required a constitutional amendment (which, by definition means that the original constitution didn't serve the purpose).

Your first paragraph on fear of rebellion is true only indirectly. Fear of insurrection from the local (non-slave) population led to greater democracy, and the population was generally abolitionist.

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