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Thanks much for that clear explanation.
In the meantime the city should be embarrassed for keeping the venue open in the condition that it's in. It's really a health hazard to the public. The upper levels of the building I believe are still encrusted with accumulation of the years, and I seriously doubt whether the hangings along the walls have had the dust and accretions removed from them. Sooner or later there will be suits based on health issues.
Shut it down until the environment is made safe.

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I don't know what to make of the legal issues, but the physical interior of the building in terms of rehabilitation is at a standstill imho.


The physical restoration and rehabilitation has been at a practical standstill since years ago. That is why I support the idea of bringing in a professional organization to run the place and oversee its renovation. I totally get that FOL saved the place from the wrecking ball, but they are definitely not up to the task of seeing through the effort of restoring the place to its former grandeur.


place needs truckloads of money to bring up to date. commercial investor is not guarantee that they will save the place.

i can picture them running it to the ground and turning into condos one day. fulop is proven to fail us time and again, and catering to his wall street masters

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There was already a bidding process, and a contract awarded (AEG Live + Mana Contemporary + NJCU). Part of the deal is that AEG Live pitches in $3.5 million for the renovation.

The Loews is not for sale. No part of the contract sells the property to anyone. The city owns it, and will keep it. The contract most certainly does not allow AEG to turn it into condos.

Along with public interest in making it some kind of performing arts space, that's as good a guarantee as we're going to get.

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It's sagas like this that remind you Steve Flop is just another Goldman Sachs politician in bed with Kushner.

The Loews is a local gem and should be managed by a local organization as a non-profit, not sold off to the highest bidder to extract profits for some mega corporation.

A non-profit will have a tough time raising the funds to fix the facility, let alone manage it properly. FOL certainly has shown it's not up to it.

The bid that was put out a year or so ago required that FOL program something like 6 days per year... which is more than FOL can currently manage.

We should also note that despite all the feuding, it sounds like FOL and Fulop are now in talks to move forward.

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As the saying goes, if they love it, they must set it free. They have done a great job but the FOL can only go so far with minimal funding and resources. Its time to pass the torch as JSQ begins to have its renaissance as a small arts district.

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It's sagas like this that remind you Steve Flop is just another Goldman Sachs politician in bed with Kushner.

The Loews is a local gem and should be managed by a local organization as a non-profit, not sold off to the highest bidder to extract profits for some mega corporation.


your intentions are clearly in the right place but this is unfortunately very separated from reality and how the music industry works. there is a reason the FOL have one, maybe two concerts a year at the Loew's, and if they retain control it will never become what it once was. as I mentioned previously, there is a reason nearly every single legitimate venue is run by a company who has the experience doing so. AEG Live and comparable companies have a track record of renovating historic theaters and turning them into premier event spaces. they have the capital to do the renovation and the connections to book the ongoing talent needed to keep it running. if the FOL were remotely capable of doing so they would have already.

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I don't know what to make of the legal issues, but the physical interior of the building in terms of rehabilitation is at a standstill imho.


The physical restoration and rehabilitation has been at a practical standstill since years ago. That is why I support the idea of bringing in a professional organization to run the place and oversee its renovation. I totally get that FOL saved the place from the wrecking ball, but they are definitely not up to the task of seeing through the effort of restoring the place to its former grandeur.


place needs truckloads of money to bring up to date. commercial investor is not guarantee that they will save the place.

i can picture them running it to the ground and turning into condos one day. fulop is proven to fail us time and again, and catering to his wall street masters

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I think the bubble burst for me with the visit I made a year or two ago to the KING"S Theatre in Brooklyn.
http://www.kingstheatre.com/. I was stunned by the expertness that brought a movie palace back to a "royal" status. The venues appearing there could easily come to Jersey City and breathe life back into the Square if the theatre were properly redone.
The other thing that caught my eye was the money spent on the organ that is just really an expensive annoyance. Air conditioning, or at least an air filtration system would have been a better place to spend whatever funds went into that ostentatious debacle.
I mean, the handrails haven't been replaced yet. Jeez!!

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I think the bubble burst for me with the visit I made a year or two ago to the KING"S Theatre in Brooklyn.
http://www.kingstheatre.com/. I was stunned by the expertness that brought a movie palace back to a "royal" status. The venues appearing there could easily come to Jersey City and breathe life back into the Square if the theatre were properly redone.
The other thing that caught my eye was the money spent on the organ that is just really an expensive annoyance. Air conditioning, or at least an air filtration system would have been a better place to spend whatever funds went into that ostentatious debacle.
I mean, the handrails haven't been replaced yet. Jeez!!

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It's sagas like this that remind you Steve Flop is just another Goldman Sachs politician in bed with Kushner.

The Loews is a local gem and should be managed by a local organization as a non-profit, not sold off to the highest bidder to extract profits for some mega corporation.


This kind of small-minded, obtuse rationale, while well-intended, is exactly the problem: the FOL has shown they do not have the skills, experience, or wherewithal, to manage and see to fruition the task of restoring the Loew's. This is not about "selling out" or "keeping it local" but rather it is about actually getting this place restored so ALL OF JC can actually get to enjoy it. As of now, it is (essentially) a once-a-month movie theater with some serious deficiencies. It's been ~10 years since I first stepped inside and I see little to no progress since then. Sad, and pathetic.

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It's sagas like this that remind you Steve Flop is just another Goldman Sachs politician in bed with Kushner.

The Loews is a local gem and should be managed by a local organization as a non-profit, not sold off to the highest bidder to extract profits for some mega corporation.

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I don't know what to make of the legal issues, but the physical interior of the building in terms of rehabilitation is at a standstill imho.


The physical restoration and rehabilitation has been at a practical standstill since years ago. That is why I support the idea of bringing in a professional organization to run the place and oversee its renovation. I totally get that FOL saved the place from the wrecking ball, but they are definitely not up to the task of seeing through the effort of restoring the place to its former grandeur.


In addition, the FOL simply do not have the connections or resources to run a full time venue. There is a reason that every legitimate music venue is managed by one of the major national companies that do so. AEG Live actually has a history of renovating historic venues and operating them thereafter with much success. Nothing but respect for the FOL for what they did in the past but their pride is just hurting their own cause at this point.

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I don't know what to make of the legal issues, but the physical interior of the building in terms of rehabilitation is at a standstill imho.


The physical restoration and rehabilitation has been at a practical standstill since years ago. That is why I support the idea of bringing in a professional organization to run the place and oversee its renovation. I totally get that FOL saved the place from the wrecking ball, but they are definitely not up to the task of seeing through the effort of restoring the place to its former grandeur.

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I don't know what to make of the legal issues, but the physical interior of the building in terms of rehabilitation is at a standstill imho. I think there may be a health hazard within from the state of foul air. I was sickened for three days after attending a viewing of 1984 and I will not return to the place. And this hurts, because I had hopes for the palace that I spent many a time in as a younger person. A change is desperately needed somewhere!!

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Court erred in ruling between Jersey City and Friends of the Loew's: judges

By Caitlin Mota | The Jersey Journal
on April 25, 2017 at 10:41 AM, updated April 25, 2017 at 12:53 PM

JERSEY CITY - The city and the Friends of the Loew's could be heading back to court.

A panel of Superior Court judges ruled Monday that a trial court failed to address the city's allegations that the nonprofit group - which manages the Landmark Loew's Jersey theater - breached its leasing contract.

Superior Court Judge Hector Velazquez dismissed the city's claims that the FOL's lease, which is good until 2020, was not valid in during a May 2015 trial. Mayor Steve Fulop had sought to revamp the 88-year-old theater by hiring a concert promoter to manage the former movie theater.

But during that trial, the "court erred by failing to address the city's counterclaim for breach of contract" and "erroneously suggested that the claim had not been properly pled," according to an opinion signed by Superior Court Judges Joseph Yannotti, Robert Gilson and Paulette Sapp-Peterson.

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Fulop’s attempt to defund them is rejected by the court

For the second time in two years, a Superior Court has ruled against Jersey City in its continuing tussle with the volunteers overseeing the Historic Landmark Loew’s Theater.

On July 22, Superior Court Judge Jeffrey R. Jablonski ruled that the city and the Hudson County Board of Freeholders improperly redirected a $300,000 Open Space Fund grant away from the theater to other projects.

Jablonski said the city and the Friends of the Loews Theater (FOL) were co-grantees in receiving this grant and that the city’s request to divert the funding should have included the FOL but did not.

The court reversed the Aug. 13, 2015 action by the freeholder board and ordered that the grant be reinstated to the Loews Theater project.
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WSJ 6/26/2014: “On Thursday, city officials said that AEG Live, a company that books talent and manages venues nationwide, will manage the Loew's Jersey Theatre and that the city will spend about $30 million to $40 million to overhaul the theater.The renovation plan calls for closing the theater sometime this year and reopening it by late 2015 or early 2016..”

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How sad if the FOL loved the Loews so much they would have left in 2014 and we would have all been enjoying some sweet entertainment this year. I heard they were even going to have a frozen Bon Bon machine in the lobby.


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NYT DEC. 30, 2014: “In 2012, the city chose ACE Theatrical Group, a Houston-based theatrical management and development company, to restore Kings Theater and operate it, on a self-sustaining, for-profit basis. ACE has restored and operates historical theaters in once-blighted urban areas, like the Boston Opera House and the Hippodrome Theater at the France-Merrick Performing Arts Center in Baltimore.

Working with ACE at Kings Theater, which was added to the National Register of Historic Places in 2012, is Martinez & Johnson Architecture, a specialist in restoration of theaters.

More than half the project’s funding comes from public coffers: The Bloomberg administration allocated $20.5 million to it, the Brooklyn borough president $30.5 million, the City Council $1.5 million and the state $3 million. Goldman Sachs’s Urban Investment Group has invested $21.6 million in the project, and ACE, $18.3 million.”

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ACE Theatrical Group manages the Kings Theater google them please. BTW they were one of the bidders to RESTORE and MANAGE our JC Loews. They lost out to AEG.

Let the professionals handle it…take your plaque and go home.


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Retaliation for losing the lawsuit about keeping the FOL lease through 2020 and on. The city was probably hoping that without the grant money, the place would continue to fall into disrepair and they could take it over through eminent domain or something and then sell it to Live Nation or someone.

It's amazing how quickly Fulop (who I campaigned for and believed in) has become a corrupt stooge.


Possibly, although like I originally said I was looking to see if the city commented on their reasoning. I was a supporter as well but there have been a few things councilman Fulop would have been against that Mayor Fulop has been for/done that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

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Retaliation for losing the lawsuit about keeping the FOL lease through 2020 and on. The city was probably hoping that without the grant money, the place would continue to fall into disrepair and they could take it over through eminent domain or something and then sell it to Live Nation or someone.

It's amazing how quickly Fulop (who I campaigned for and believed in) has become a corrupt stooge.

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I've heard about the city pulling funding that was supposed to go here and didn't really follow it but recently went to the Stephen King event there and thought the venue was really great, plenty of potential. The exit process was kind of pain as they had to have the fire marshals there which I understand wouldn't have to be if the repairs that the money that was allocated was used for. Has the city explained why they tried to pull this funding, it seems like this should be preserved as best as possible?

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Before we talk about FOL holding back the Loew's, let's consider this:

What the City tried to do with the Hudson County grant was take away grant money that was earmarked to help bring the City's own building up to the City's own building codes.

In point of fact, more than ten years ago the City committed to finding funding for these code related repairs, but never did.

Instead, FOL cooperated with the City in asking the County to allow the grant, which was originally meant for another project at the Loew's, to instead be used to make some of the important code repairs that the City was not funding.

Since at least 2012, the City was supposed to design, bid and contract for the work of this grant. But in 2014, the Fulop Administration ordered the City's Division of Architecture to stop all work on Loew's projects.

Then last year, after FOL beat-back the City's attempt to break our Lease, the Fulop Administration told the County that it wanted the grant money taken away from the Loew's.

How does this make any sense?

Whether you like FOL or not, and no matter whether FOL is at the Loew's or not, these are basic repairs that need to be made -- and the City is responsible for them.

To understand how absurd the City's action regarding the Grant was, consider what would happen if the City ordered any other property owner to make code repairs, but instead the property owner refused and said he wanted to spend his money on other things.

And interestingly, thought FOL and the City are co-grantees, neither the City nor the County seemed to think that FOL should have any say in what happened grant funding we had won for the Loew's.

FOL has not held the Loew's back. Instead, we've spent years having to find ways to work around the City's inability to provide the cooperation it supposed to.

By the way, for the sake of full disclosure, I am one of the two employees of FOL. I make $45,000 a year, no benefits.

As to the question of whether my salary would be better spent on other things, I can only point out that many non-profit corporations pay staff members to perform work that is essential to being able to pursue their charitable purposes, even though they also make great use of volunteers. FOL is far from alone in this.

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Jersey City Loew's groups wins court victory over stripped grant funding

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on July 27, 2016 at 12:20 PM, updated July 27, 2016 at 5:06 PM

JERSEY CITY — Chalk up another win for the Friends of the Loew's.

The nonprofit that manages the Landmark Loew's Jersey Theatre in Journal Square won a victory in court last week after suing Hudson County freeholders over roughly $300,000 in grant funding that was stripped from FOL by the freeholder board last year.

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It is truly disgusting how the FOL is holding the Loews hostage. It is time to give it up so ALL of the people of Jersey City especially the property owners around Journal Square can enjoy some top notch entertainment there.I am tired of the once in a while classic movie weekends and once a year balls. Yes great they saved the Loews from the wrecking ball give the FOL a plaque in the lobby as a show of thanks.

I thought the FOL control was over in a year or two but I just read it is until 2021. It that true? If so how sad is that? Thousands of new Journal Square residents will be coming to the area to live during those years and what entertainment will they have? Dusty old once in a while classic movie weekends. Whoopee I know if I were a young newcomer with money to burn on entertainment I would hit that magical classic movie weekend instead of taking a 5 minute PATH ride to NYC for some real entertainment. (yeah right)

Jesus wake up FOL you are not helping the Loews anymore you are hurting it. Give it up.Ask any long time property owner in the area we want you OUT. We suffered for decades waiting for the rebirth of the Square we finally have it. Now we have to wait for the rebirth of the Loews until after 2021 how sick is that? Do any of the FOL members actually live in the Journal Square area?

Here’s an idea since the FOL won’t give up control of the Loews and it is just going to more or less slowly rot until 2021.See if you can get the multi-millionaire developers in Journal Square to chip in and offer to buy the Stanley Theater from the Jehovah Witnesses. It is much bigger than the Loews at 4300 seats and it is already renovated. Some pretty sweet acts could be booked there daily that will draw thousands of people to the new Journal Square. Hey I remember the Grateful Dead playing a few nights there in the 70’s. Now that’s entertainment! (no pun intended)


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“FOL's most recent financial statement shows it taking in about $238,000 in revenue annually and spending about $262,000.”

Could we see the FOL’s salaries please?


Terrence T. McDonald | The Jersey Journal Quote:

$90K split between Egan and Pat Giordon, per tax forms.


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Thanks.
Gee and all along I thought they were doing it for free out of their love for the Loews. What a joke.
Just think of how many “building code issues” could be fixed with 90K.


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Court Reinstates Loew's Grant


Some of you may remember that last August, shortly after Friends of the Loew’s had beaten back Jersey City’s attempt to break our Lease, Jersey City under Mayor Steven Fulop asked Hudson County to take away a grant FOL had won for the Loew’s.

No reason was really given by the City at the County Freeholder meeting where this request was considered, and more than a few members of the public spoke out against it. But the Hudson County Board of Chosen Freeholders nevertheless agreed to do what the City wanted, and voted to take away $300,000 earmarked for the Loew’s.

In a previous message to County Executive Tom DeGise, Mayor Fulop had suggested that the work the grant was supposed to pay for at the Loew’s was not significant.

What was truly inexplicable about all this was that the grant had been designated to pay for repairs that would help make the Loew’s comply with the City’s own safety and health codes – something that every property owner is supposed to do, regardless of who the tenant is. Jersey City is the owner of the Loew’s, and in fact, the City had committed in our Lease to find funding for this important work, but had failed to do so. Instead, at the City’s urging, FOL asked the County to provide grant funding for some of it. Also at Jersey City’s request, and to demonstrate our willingness to work together, FOL had agreed to make the City a co-grantee in the grant and allow the City to administer the work of the grant.

After the 2015 action by the Freeholders to take away this important funding from the Loew’s, FOL reluctantly sued the County. The grant had been won by FOL and, even after we agreed to include the City in the grant, FOL remained a co-grantee. This means that the City had no right to unilaterally ask the County to take the money away, and the County was wrong to act accordingly. Last Friday, a judge agreed with us and ordered the grant restored to the Loew’s.

At the least, this decision means that moneys improperly taken will be returned to make important improvements to the Loew’s.

This whole strange episode with the grant funding also demonstrates pretty clearly that although the City frequently tries to imply that — somehow — FOL has impeded progress at the Loew’s, the opposite is actually the case. Over the years, when the City has failed to meet its commitments or, worse, thrown roadblocks in the way, it’s been FOL that has stepped up to do what we can to make sure the Loew’s wasn’t left in the lurch.

Now that this unfortunate episode is behind us, Friends of the Loew’s again extends our hand and a plea to the City: Please stop pointlessly fighting us, and instead, let’s find a way to work together.


Steve Fulop is dead wrong on the Loews. Jersey City needs to fund it and keep it public.

When is the next election? We need a better mayor,

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She was talking about allegations that Hoboken's bike share system was deliberately planting their bikes in public racks in Jersey City.

It should be very clear, based on both the discussion at hand and her record, that she is not categorically opposed to the use of public spaces for limited and managed commercial use.

I don't know her specific position on the Loews, but using that quote to try and zing her or the city government is absurd.


Going to bat for Motivate/Citi is simply a recent demonstration that Jersey City indeed supports the use of public property for commercial use, so long as the proper relationship has been established.

You may not like my remark, but if we take the allegations at face value, perhaps it’s more absurd that the solution couldn’t have been less protectionist than imposing limits on parking commercial/rental bicycles at pubic racks. A law that would effectively punish the users of other rental systems seems to be going too far. After all, while a car rental outfit can’t use our streets as its staging and maintenance area, users of their cars don’t face special parking rules that apply only to rentals... but that's way off-topic.

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So, in the Hudson Reporter story, Candice Osbourne says "We do not want public spaces used for commercial purposes". Sure, she was specifically referring to the Hoboken bikes but her comment juxtaposes quite nicely with the prospect of bringing the for profit promoter AEG in to put on concerts and such at the Loews. Just sayin.


Considering her remark was made in the context of protecting the city’s agreement with a bicycle rental/billboard advertising company whose title sponsor is one of the world’s largest banks, it’s obvious that the City treats public property as fair territory for commercial use.

It's pretty clear that you are taking her quote out of context.

She was talking about allegations that Hoboken's bike share system was deliberately planting their bikes in public racks in Jersey City.

It should be very clear, based on both the discussion at hand and her record, that she is not categorically opposed to the use of public spaces for limited and managed commercial use.

I don't know her specific position on the Loews, but using that quote to try and zing her or the city government is absurd.

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So, in the Hudson Reporter story, Candice Osbourne says "We do not want public spaces used for commercial purposes". Sure, she was specifically referring to the Hoboken bikes but her comment juxtaposes quite nicely with the prospect of bringing the for profit promoter AEG in to put on concerts and such at the Loews. Just sayin.


Considering her remark was made in the context of protecting the city’s agreement with a bicycle rental/billboard advertising company whose title sponsor is one of the world’s largest banks, it’s obvious that the City treats public property as fair territory for commercial use.

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So, in the Hudson Reporter story, Candice Osbourne says "We do not want public spaces used for commercial purposes". Sure, she was specifically referring to the Hoboken bikes but her comment juxtaposes quite nicely with the prospect of bringing the for profit promoter AEG in to put on concerts and such at the Loews. Just sayin.


Oh, please! That's completely out of context. Public spaces get used for commercial purposes all the time. Think of all the farmers markets in all the city parks, or at the Grove PATH Plaza. Or, any street fair that consists of vendors. What she is saying (and, you conveniently left out the part that preceded that quote in the paragraph) is that they don't want public spaces used without an agreement in place to govern any such use. Public space get used for private and commercial use all the time, but it has to provide a greater good and it has to go through an approval process.


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So which is it, Yvonne? Should we be saving and restoring historical property in the city or should be just let them fall apart?

The only reason that you even care about this is because it is a means for you to attempt to bash the mayor. Your hypocrisy is beyond pathetic.


I personally know the people who have been saving the Loews. They are good people and do not deserve this treatment. Besides many people have volunteered without pay to save this theater. This is not about me, it is about them, it is about right and wrong.

No. Buildings do not have emotion. It doesn't matter whether the people working on it are good or not. The building should be saved due to history and the fact that history is important to the future or it does not.

Your hypocrisy about whether to save our history is amazing.


Hypocrisy? Am I the one with holding funds? Your comment is just plain foolish.

Next time the topic of historical designation comes up in order to protect the city's architecture and history, I'll remember how you only care about the city's history when Fulop is fighting a group preserving a building.

If you don't see your own hypocrisy in this, I can't help you.


First, I am the one who promoted historical designation, not you in the 1970s. But I don't want historical designation at the expense of someone losing their home. People come before buildings. This is not the same thing. It is the building owned by city not an individual. Why wouldn't the city want to protect its own property? The money is there so fix the roof. Fixing the roof stops more destruction in the building, so why won't Fulop release the funds? I remember when Hartz Mountain wanted to tear down the building. The FOL has done a great job now the city should do their job.

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So which is it, Yvonne? Should we be saving and restoring historical property in the city or should be just let them fall apart?

The only reason that you even care about this is because it is a means for you to attempt to bash the mayor. Your hypocrisy is beyond pathetic.


I personally know the people who have been saving the Loews. They are good people and do not deserve this treatment. Besides many people have volunteered without pay to save this theater. This is not about me, it is about them, it is about right and wrong.

No. Buildings do not have emotion. It doesn't matter whether the people working on it are good or not. The building should be saved due to history and the fact that history is important to the future or it does not.

Your hypocrisy about whether to save our history is amazing.


Hypocrisy? Am I the one with holding funds? Your comment is just plain foolish.

Next time the topic of historical designation comes up in order to protect the city's architecture and history, I'll remember how you only care about the city's history when Fulop is fighting a group preserving a building.

If you don't see your own hypocrisy in this, I can't help you.

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