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i dont believe it! you mean they actually started building??

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someone snap some pics!

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Really? what's happening now?

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Finally, this project is kicking into high gear!

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Gas main break at site of $666 million project closes Jersey City roads for hour

By Michaelangelo Conte/The Jersey Journal
January 31, 2014 at 7:40 PM

A gas main was ruptured at a site undergoing demolition work adjacent to Jersey City’s Journal Square Transportation Center this afternoon, causing streets to be closed in the area.

The gas line break occurred at 3 p.m. at the KRE construction site at Pavonia and Summit avenues.

The $666 million KRE project calls for 54-story tower with 540 units, a 70-story tower with 700 units and a 60-story tower with 600 units. The developer is KRE Group, headed by Murray Kushner.

Construction of the first tower is to take three years to complete. The final tower is expected to be complete in 2029.

By 4 p.m. all streets around Journal Square were reopened.

Officials at the transportation hub said that buses were temporarily delayed after the roads were closed, but that by 5 p.m. the buses were all on schedule.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... cts_nj_transit_buses.html

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Maybe I'm missing something (always a possibility). Why are we so concerned with attracting new people to JC, we're incredibly densely populated as it stands.

Why aren't we just focusing on making it better for EXISTING residents?

We don't really need new people at all, unless the city is planning to replace those in abject poverty with tax payers, which would net out positive. But if we're talking about just attracting new residents, why?

Are rents not expensive enough (from a supply/demand standpoint)?

You stated it already. The city would like to replace residents that are currently paying little to no taxes with those that will pour it in.

Additionally, by attracting individuals that will spend more, and spend more locally, the services will have to improve. This isn't about making life more expensive for you. Bringing in new, high quality of life residents should decrease your cost.

The only downside would be that you might not be able to afford Downtown. Something with deeper pockets would replace you Downtown and then you can replace someone in McGuinley Square.

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Maybe I'm missing something (always a possibility). Why are we so concerned with attracting new people to JC, we're incredibly densely populated as it stands.

Why aren't we just focusing on making it better for EXISTING residents?



There's not nearly as much money to be made in that.

It depends on what you are hoping can be improved upon for existing residents. If, as appears to be the case outside of DTJC, a great many of the existing residents are poor or elderly, any improvements to the social safety net are going to require a bigger tax levy - thus "new", presumably more affluent residents, more highly valued developments, etc.
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Quality of life/infrusturcture enhancments we ALL will benefit from - more parks, greenways, a better quality of local stores etc., will get some public money but importantly - depend on the influx of the same "new" residents (and I think we need to be honest about who these people are - professionals, educated, more demanding and willing to pay for amenities ) creating the demand. The 99 Cent stores are there because of supply and demand, not as part of a planning strategy.

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I'm not sure if it exists, but somebody needs to do a massive study on the transportation infrastructure of the entire NYC area, and what can be done to keep up with the massive amounts of people that will continue to move to the area.

In the five boroughs + Hudson County, there will probably be another 1-2 million people in the next 10-15 years, all of whom will be using the already crumbling systems.

I'm sure such studies exist, but are they available to the public?

The Regional Plan Authority is considered, in urban planning policy circles, the "gold standard" in this type of research. Check this out for starters, their publication library is easy to search: http://library.rpa.org/pdf/RPA-Tomorrows-Transit.pdf

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(wow if there weren't any pictures I bet no one would believe progress has finally hit JSquare, I don't love the tall towers but we need SOMETHING up there. It's been promised for way too long. )


Demolition underway in Jersey City to make room for $666 million residential towers

By Michaelangelo Conte/The Jersey Journal
on January 10, 2014 at 5:44 PM, updated January 10, 2014 at 6:34 PM


Major demolition is underway in Journal Square, where several buildings, including two large, five-story, brick buildings are being devoured by demolition machines to make way for a $666 million residential towers project.

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http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... _towers.html#incart_river


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They broke ground next to the funeral home last week, looks like the foundation work for the first phase, asbestos removal completed in the apartment house, looks like the fun is about to begin.

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have they actually started work on these projects.



Site prep work. They removed a number of underground heating oil storage tanks over the summer.

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have they actually started work on these projects.

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Maybe I'm missing something (always a possibility). Why are we so concerned with attracting new people to JC, we're incredibly densely populated as it stands.

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There's not nearly as much money to be made in that.

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So CuriousCat, did you move to Grove Pointe yet? I saw a moving van in front of the buiding last week. What kind of "deal" did you get?

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Agree.To add to your list: we need people who do not litter and to treat the community we live in with care and respect.


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Maybe I'm missing something (always a possibility). Why are we so concerned with attracting new people to JC, we're incredibly densely populated as it stands.

Why aren't we just focusing on making it better for EXISTING residents?

We don't really need new people at all, unless the city is planning to replace those in abject poverty with tax payers, which would net out positive. But if we're talking about just attracting new residents, why?

Are rents not expensive enough (from a supply/demand standpoint)?


we don't need additional people, we need to replace the current homeless people who are a drain on our tax dollars and who are given freedom to harass people with tax paying citizens with steady jobs. We need to replace the 99 cent business owners who are giving the impression that JC is a ghetto with storefronts that actually bring value to the city. We also need to REPLACE the current criminals with law abiding citizens (not so much a problem in jsquare as much as greenville and bergen lafayette). And throughout JC, we need to replace teens with no regard for the value of their education with teens and young adults who aspire to be professionals.

We also need to understand that, as a community, the biggest problems in JC are NOT abatements.

The biggest problems in JC are violent Crime in Greenville and Bergen Lafayette, Lack of any good public school (except mcnair) in JC, and lack of caring about our reputation - do something about the homeless already, try and attract some good businesses to the city so we reduce the flow of jc residents going to nyc for shopping, food, entertainment, groceries..

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Maybe I'm missing something (always a possibility). Why are we so concerned with attracting new people to JC, we're incredibly densely populated as it stands.

Why aren't we just focusing on making it better for EXISTING residents?

We don't really need new people at all, unless the city is planning to replace those in abject poverty with tax payers, which would net out positive. But if we're talking about just attracting new residents, why?

Are rents not expensive enough (from a supply/demand standpoint)?


we don't need additional people, we need to replace the current homeless people who are a drain on our tax dollars and who are given freedom to harass people with tax paying citizens with steady jobs. We need to replace the 99 cent business owners who are giving the impression that JC is a ghetto with storefronts that actually bring value to the city. We also need to REPLACE the current criminals with law abiding citizens (not so much a problem in jsquare as much as greenville and bergen lafayette). And throughout JC, we need to replace teens with no regard for the value of their education with teens and young adults who aspire to be professionals.

We also need to understand that, as a community, the biggest problems in JC are NOT abatements.

The biggest problems in JC are violent Crime in Greenville and Bergen Lafayette, Lack of any good public school (except mcnair) in JC, and lack of caring about our reputation - do something about the homeless already, try and attract some good businesses to the city so we reduce the flow of jc residents going to nyc for shopping, food, entertainment, groceries..

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Maybe I'm missing something (always a possibility). Why are we so concerned with attracting new people to JC, we're incredibly densely populated as it stands.

Why aren't we just focusing on making it better for EXISTING residents?

We don't really need new people at all, unless the city is planning to replace those in abject poverty with tax payers, which would net out positive. But if we're talking about just attracting new residents, why?

Are rents not expensive enough (from a supply/demand standpoint)?

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I wasn't the one advocating incentives. I just jumped in to point out that incentives can take many forms. In the end, it is all about money. But I think it is a much better investment to provide incentives in the form of better services, lower crime, etc. Glad to see you agree with that.

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Yes, of course, lowering crime and giving people better transportation options and better restaurants and cultural things t do is worthwhile imo. i thought you were talking about cash incentives

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While I certainly believe that we should let market forces drive people's living/work decisions, the idea of incentives can not be discounted. The government (local, county, state) can incentivize people to move here by lowering crime, improving city life and providing for a clean, reliable and safe mode of transportation (like the light rail) while also incentivizing businesses with limited tax-breaks, or well thought-out subsidies.

Already, MANY Wall Street firms are moving back room operations to JC. Certainly, some of my larger clients have relocated to JC in recent years, and others are in the process of doing so. I see a LOT of businesses coming, which should help improve the tax base, which should result (in theory, and hopefully) in better government services.

The problem is not just the attitude of NYers. I know many people who reside in NJ who are now working in JC (because of office relocations to Exchange Place/Newport/Harsimus Cove) and who refuse to move to JC. Why? They don't necessarily feel safe, comfortable here. They still see JC as it was in the 80's/90's.

In the end, people will only relocate to JC if all the "pluses" outweigh the "cons" of doing so, including surpassing their current living situation elsewhere. Truth be told, some people will rather live in Summit, Short Hills, etc. than in the JC urban jungle. To each their own. I like it here, so I am not going anywhere, but I can definitely see/understand the thinking/logic of others.

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I don't see why the gov't needs to give people incentives to live in JC. Let the market take care of that. Let developers come up with better projects that will attract people, ie look at forward-thinking Williamsburg re-development plans vs. STAID plans of JC builders.

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Why can't there be some sort of financial incentive to live/work in JC? Just based on observation and experience (i.e. no supporting data), it seems to me that the Exchange Place/Newport office area is somewhat unique in having a large amount of housing within walking distance. What can be done to get more people who work here to live here and therefore off the PATH? Even getting more JC employees to live along the lightrail would help and expand the availability and affordability of housing and lower PATH ridership. Social solutions are always cheaper and quicker, I think.

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NY way of thinking - we will bring more jobs to NY
Jersey way of thinking - lets all commute to those jobs in NY

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Christie killed the ARC program

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I'm not sure if it exists, but somebody needs to do a massive study on the transportation infrastructure of the entire NYC area, and what can be done to keep up with the massive amounts of people that will continue to move to the area.

In the five boroughs + Hudson County, there will probably be another 1-2 million people in the next 10-15 years, all of whom will be using the already crumbling systems.

I'm sure such studies exist, but are they available to the public?

In the tri-state, there are generally a lot of transportation options and we likely have the best public transit in the country, or at least the largest and most complex. Some people from other cities might say that we are spoiled. But the infrastructure is very old, and the systems are disjointed. A dream come true would be to have all the multiple systems folded into one regional organization like *every*other*city*in*the*country*(world?).

Things like making Path available on a monthly unlimited Metrocard would be a great start.

Regarding overcrowding on the Path, I trust that Mayor Fulop will be on top of this as JC's population continues to boom. He realizes the importance of this. Whether he puts pressure on the appropriate parties to hasten improvements to Path, or makes sure that there are good alternatives to Path, I'm sure this is front of mind for the mayor.

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why can't they have double-decker path trains which run on low wheels/ low to ground.

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They won't fit in Port Authority.

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According to PATH the signal project when completed adds 15% more capacity basically by shortening the lockout zones between trains (called sections). By the time its finished (I wonder if Sandy caused it to be redesigned to be more water resistant?) I am sure there will be way more than 15% more riders so I dont see much of a gain.

Today at peak times the system is running at full capacity so the signal system and longer trains are about the only hope. One is funded, I guess, and the other is not.

If you notice the trains today pretty much fill up the antique tunnels so higher trains = non starter.

Too bad the Port Authority overspent all their capital on the Freedom Tower ($2B + over budget and still counting) and the yet-to-be-opened new WTC Station (another $2B over budget and still counting). I am guessing $4B could have gone a long way to real long term solutions, but that train has left the station.

Id say we are back to the 19th century Ferry solution. Or maybe a kayak-share program...



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why can't they have double-decker path trains which run on low wheels/ low to ground.


Picture it. If there were two levels, the upper one could not be higher than the present elevation of the floor because the car height is already maxed-out. How much room does that leave for a lower deck?

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It would be more feasible and realistic for the PA to just create a bike lane through the Holland Tunnel.


And have them get rid of one of four desperately needed and overcapacity lanes for cars? Im an active biker and even I know thats ridiculous.


I'm glad you picked up on my sarcastic point that a viable alternative into Manhattan from JC is not going to happen anytime soon. I agree that the only option is for the PA to step it up with their service.

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why can't they have double-decker path trains which run on low wheels/ low to ground.

also, why doesn't nj transit run double decker buses - megabus does it

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