Browsing this Thread:
1 Anonymous Users
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
 
|
Posted on: 2016/2/19 23:10
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
200 crowd meeting on Hoboken flood walls, er...barriersBy HOBOKEN — Evan Fensterstock, a 32-year-old partner at a Manhattan law firm who was one of a minority of Hoboken residents to escape Hurricane Sandy's flooding, stepped up to the microphone to make his case against flood barriers proposed in the storm's wake. "There can't be walls interfering with the city," said Fensterstock, A Garden Street resident who was among nearly 300 people at an informational meeting Thursday night at the Wallace School gym, on the final three options being considered under a plan to make Hoboken more resistant to Sandy-like floods. "The power went out, the pumps went off, and the water had no where to go," he said, offering what experts described as an incomplete summary of the 2012 inundation. Then, proposing a solution, Fensterstock added, "Why not build a huge generator and build a wall around the generator?" Dennis Reinknecht, a state Department of Environmental Protection official involved with the $230 million federally funded project, said the choice of a final "preferred alternative" was still three to four months away, if not more. And even then, Reinknecht said, it would only be after continued analysis of the remaining three alternatives' estimated costs and maintenance requirements, their impact on the environment, property values and aesthetics, and following more input from the public, which has already had months to weigh in at prior meetings like Thursday's and through more involving a 60-member citrizens advisory group. Read more: http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... ike_flood_in_hoboken.html
Posted on: 2016/2/19 22:32
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Zimmer, Turner, DEP official unveil 3 latest plans for $230M Rebuild by Design projectHoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer, Weehawken Mayor Richard Turner and an official from the State Department of Environmental Protection unveiled the three new design alternatives for the $230 million Rebuild by Design project. “The threat is real, if we reflect on what happened with Sandy, we have some images that show what happened during Sandy and there were 500million gallons of water that came into our city,” Zimmer said at the beginning of the press conference at city hall. “Our residents were impacted, our businesses were impacted, critical assets like North Hudson Sewerage Authority and our substation were all underwater. It was a disaster for our city and the reality is the only way we’re going to protect from 500 million gallons coming in on the city again is to have some kind of resist alignment along the waterfront.” Read more: http://hudsoncountyview.com/zimmer-tu ... ebuild-by-design-project/
Posted on: 2016/2/17 3:37
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Posted on: 2016/2/9 23:59
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Great (Flood) Wall Of Hoboken: 5 Things You Need To KnowWhat do you think about possible flood barriers in Hoboken? Sound off here. Hoboken, NJ By - Hoboken, NJ – Do you remember the damage that Superstorm Sandy did to Hoboken? It’s time to do something to prevent it from happening again. That’s the rallying cry behind the city’s $230 million “Rebuild By Design” project, which among other initiatives, includes a plan to build flood prevention barriers – some that may reportedly reach 12 feet or more – in low-lying areas of Hoboken’s waterfront. But the flood wall proposal is stirring up controversy among some residents and environmental advocates, some of whom charge that the barriers will assassinate the character of the Mile Square City and its New York City views. Here are five things that you need to know about the plan to build flood prevention walls in Hoboken. Read more: http://patch.com/new-jersey/hoboken/g ... -5-things-you-need-know-0
Posted on: 2016/2/9 18:52
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Couldn't have said it better. The nasty politics in Hoboken is mind boggling, the vitriol is primarily by the people who no longer are permitted free access to the cookie jar. Since there's never ever been a clean mayor there before Dawn, they find it easy to tar her with the same brush.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 22:59
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2012/1/11 18:21 Last Login : 2019/12/26 15:30 From GV Bayside Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
5356
 |
Quote:
Wednesday?s high tides are at 2:02 a.m. and 2:37 p.m. Thursday?s high tides are 3:10 a.m. and 3:45 p.m.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 20:52
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
This is the truth.
Quote:
Posted on: 2013/3/5 20:31
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Hoboken411 is a rag sheet run by a mentally deficient monkey raised on paint chips.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 20:27
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Brewster a monkey knows that something needs to be done about future storms and flooding. But if you look at her entire tenure...you will see that Hoboken is being run into the ground by Zimmer. Just check out Hoboken 411. They have done a better job of keeping tabs on the politics than most of our local papers. Or better yet just walk around Hoboken and see the disrepair it is in and this was the case before all the storms we have had endured.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 20:22
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2012/9/18 3:58 Last Login : 2021/9/23 15:07 From Between Thought and Expression
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
907
|
Quote:
Not "Sandy like storm surge" - but chance of a storm surge that may cause problems.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 18:17
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Just to let everyone know, there is a possibilty of s major Nor Easter the middle of next week. Possible Sandy like storm surge and near hurricand winds.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 18:04
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Because she wants to actually do something to protect her city and its residents? As opposed to Healy and all his predecessors, whose response to citizens having their homes destroyed was always a shrug, and going back to having their pockets lined. Short of the PA building surge gates (they'd rather spend the same billions on rebuilding giant dicks in the sky that will lose money) or evacuating most of the town, there aren't many better answers. The Sierra club clown talking about green roofs when the sea is entering town made me laugh.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 17:48
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
I am not a fan of Healy but Dawn Zimmer almost....mind you almost makes him look like a choir boy. You wanna see a wreck that repeatedly keeps hitting a wall.....just go to Hoboken.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 11:14
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
You mean like the one that protects London or the one that will soon protect Venice? Yeah, well, everyone wanted their federal income taxes to go down.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 4:48
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2008/1/3 19:12 Last Login : 2020/9/30 18:46 From Van Vorst Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
2391
|
What happened to Bloomberg's idea of a sea wall that could be raised as needed between Brooklyn and Staten Island, at the entrance to the Upper Bay?
Posted on: 2013/3/5 3:46
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
The flood wall would need to be at least 20 feet high in the southern half of Hoboken to meet the 100 year storm criteria.
Posted on: 2013/3/5 1:08
|
|||
|
soshin: Mention guns and bd pops up through a hole in the ground like a heavily armed meercat
|
||||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Posted on: 2013/3/3 22:09
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Thus pumps, to drain the basin whether it's due a surge that overtops the proposed seawalls or just the rainfall that regularly floods parts of the town. Quote:
Well, a preponderance of the highly educated, property owning Hobokeners disagree with you, as well as a quite a few of the poorer project dwellers who are a major population in the ward that elected her to council in the 1st place. Perhaps by incompetent you mean she has confronted serious problems facing her city openly rather than ignoring them and kicking the can down the road, or hushing them in backroom deals, thus maintaining an appearance of smooth sailing.
Posted on: 2013/2/15 17:54
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
One of the biggest problems with Hoboken after Sandy was that water washed over the highest points in the city and then could not drain out of the lowest points and thus sat there for days waiting to be pumped out. Whether the or not the lowest points are literally below sea level is maybe not the key point here -- once a wall is erected, any water that gets over it will also not drain out.
Also just because Zimmer is popular that doesn't make her competent. Mason is an insane person yes, but that doesn't change whether or not Zimmer is capable.
Posted on: 2013/2/15 17:01
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Except that nowhere here is below sea level. But to take a page from the New Orleans book, bigass pumps have kept that city dry for a long time except for Katrina where the walls failed, and could keep dry Hoboken's SW which floods in moderate storms. I agree that gates are the ultimate solution, but don't hold your breath for Gov't to proactively spend $20B on job creating prevention rather than wait for another storm and spend $100B on cleanup. Its not our style. "Mayor Incompetent"? Really? She's very popular in Hoboken except with Beth Mason who has lost her mind with resentment at Dawn blocking her path to mayor, and the "born & bred" crowd who resent her interfering with the tradition patronage, larceny and cronyism. If she even only mostly solves the century old flooding problem, Hoboken will likely erect a statue of her.
Posted on: 2013/2/15 4:32
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
It's at least a start and shows that the mayor is aware of a serious issue facing the city. Healy was nowhere to be found during the aftermath (supposedly left town ?)
It's all fun and games until a major disaster hits your town.
Posted on: 2013/2/15 3:12
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Over the wall, and then get trapped in Hoboken, as happened in New Orleans, LaGuardia Airport, and just about everywhere with large surges and land below sea level. This Hoboken seawall is merely a spectacle from Mayor Incompetent as she hopes for some positive headlines as moves towards an election. Realistically, protecting the harbor and coastline is a multi-billion project similar to those on the Thames or under construction around Venice. Not impossible, but expensive.
Posted on: 2013/2/14 23:32
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Quote:
Clearly it would stay in the massive river and bay system, raising the level 1/100 of an inch. We should all be cheering a local leader who's not committed to keeping the official head in the sand, as has been done here for generations. Stopping flooding is not rocket science, it's only a matter of money, which has traditionally been diverted to line the pockets of the "connected class". We're not below sea level as was pointed out upthread. All we really need to accomplish a great deal of protection is a moderate sea wall and a serious pumping system to get the water out of our sewer system. Most of our flooding (excepting our now yearly 100 year storms) is because in a heavy rainstorm with a moderate surge the rainwater in the sewers can't overflow into the river as they're designed. Thus the entire Downtown sewer system becomes a holding tank, and overflows into the lowest lying streets and into our basements. Pumping stations that can keep the system drained will solve this, and this is what Dawn has done in Hoboken and is proposing more of. That seawall does not need to be a towering tsunami proof monster like we saw in Japan in the earthquake coverage. Sandy was only 11' above sea level, that 14' number commonly cited is height above LOW water. The lowest portions of Downtown are 6-7' above sea level. What we can't afford to do is continue to say, as former Chief Engineer Beckmeyer of the MUA did, that "flooding is an act of God" and nothing can be done about it.
Posted on: 2013/2/14 23:24
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Gee--If Hoboken builds a flood barriers, I wonder where all the water will go?
Posted on: 2013/2/14 19:23
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Hoboken is not 20 feet below sea level. If you were to abandon everyplace in the US that is at a flood/hurricane risk similar to Hoboken you'd probably have to relocate 15% of the population of the US. Why stop there? San Fran and LA are in danger of massive earthquake damage, why should we subsidize that?
The Mid West gets killed by tornadoes, people shouldn't live there, whole towns get wiped out.... Turns out that lots and lots of places have natural disasters that occasionally make living there seem stupid.
Posted on: 2013/2/14 19:18
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
The issue is people living there are their primary residences and paying flood insurance for years.
It's easy to say they should just find somewhere else to live, but in reality these units should probably not have been sold in the first place.
Posted on: 2013/2/14 18:56
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
|
Flooding is a recurring problem in Hoboken and the homes cannot be raised, so what are the alternatives? Keep wasting more and more money?
Here is an article about the Netherlands in NYTimes: Netherlands has successfully held back the sea for centuries and thrived.... And now the evidence is leading them to undertake what may seem, at first blush, a counterintuitive approach, a kind of about-face: The Dutch are starting to let the water in. They are contriving to live with nature, rather than fight (what will inevitably be, they have come to realize) a losing battle. Dutch are letting water in
Posted on: 2013/2/14 18:34
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2012/1/11 18:21 Last Login : 2019/12/26 15:30 From GV Bayside Park
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
5356
|
Easy fix, make all basement (Garden) apts in flood zones illegal or not insurable. All basements should return back to just that, basements. No wall needed and tax payers are off the hook.
Posted on: 2013/2/14 18:33
|
|||
|
||||
|
Re: Hoboken mayor at forefront of flooding issues
|
||||
|---|---|---|---|---|
|
Home away from home
Joined:
2005/7/13 15:03 Last Login : 2023/6/11 23:48 From Western Slope
Group:
Registered Users
Posts:
4638
|
Maybe he is not that well verse in the subject and is brushing up on some information.
Posted on: 2013/2/14 18:02
|
|||
|
Get on your bikes and ride !
|
||||
|
||||