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On things like Bridgegate, Fulop can't keep his pie hole shut. On things like Chico's drunk driving arrest, or his misuse of autos owned by JC, he hides behind 'well, we need to let the process continue'. Maybe one of his two 100K mouthpieces will drop a statement?

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Jersey City Councilman 'Chico' Ramchal charged with stealing from county

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... t.html#incart_2box_hudson

What will it take for Fulop to throw this guy overboard ?


He probably has a lot of dirt on Fulop.

Also, Fulop has surrounded himself with a crew of people who have later had very public falling outs with him. Shows a very poor judge of character IMO. He's probably not anxious to keep adding to the list.

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Jersey City Councilman 'Chico' Ramchal charged with stealing from county

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... t.html#incart_2box_hudson

What will it take for Fulop to throw this guy overboard ?

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Other than getting fired from his no-show job has he been charged with, say, theft of services? And is there an investigation into how he kept this no-show job for so long?


I was told the prosecutor is reviewing the charges re: HCIA timesheets.

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Other than getting fired from his no-show job has he been charged with, say, theft of services? And is there an investigation into how he kept this no-show job for so long?

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Any updates on Chico's drunk driving and corruption escapades?


Grand jury has to decide whether to indict him on assault by auto. Prosecutor said if that happens, that charge and the drunken driving charge will be tried at the same time.

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I'm curious as well. I voted against the last administration with the impression that this kind of thing would not be tolerated.
The lack of transparency overall is underwhelming with what was promised.

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Any updates on Chico's drunk driving and corruption escapades?

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really, the trolls finally rear their ugly heads, to once again spin this issue away from the mayor. they seem to rise in unison.


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Id love to see Chico leave the council. I think he is a disgrace. That said, there is clearly a different relationship between 2 council--members (one of whom has been indicted for corruption) and a mayor and a council-member (who hasn't been indicted for fraud/theft - yet). If/once Chico is indicted then I think it is completely reasonable to expect Fulop (and the rest of the council) to call for his resignation and to call any inaction hypocrisy. until there is an indictment, not demanding a resignation is reasonable... sadly.

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Id love to see Chico leave the council. I think he is a disgrace. That said, there is clearly a different relationship between 2 council--members (one of whom has been indicted for corruption) and a mayor and a council-member (who hasn't been indicted for fraud/theft - yet). If/once Chico is indicted then I think it is completely reasonable to expect Fulop (and the rest of the council) to call for his resignation and to call any inaction hypocrisy. until there is an indictment, not demanding a resignation is reasonable... sadly.


Totally agree Chico should resign.

But when has any mayor, or any Governor, or any senior pol - or even any POTUS - demanded a resignation of an elected official without a conviction? Please entertain me. That would be an abuse of office.

Sorry Monroe - it's your argument that's both boring AND laughable.

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Id love to see Chico leave the council. I think he is a disgrace. That said, there is clearly a different relationship between 2 council--members (one of whom has been indicted for corruption) and a mayor and a council-member (who hasn't been indicted for fraud/theft - yet). If/once Chico is indicted then I think it is completely reasonable to expect Fulop (and the rest of the council) to call for his resignation and to call any inaction hypocrisy. until there is an indictment, not demanding a resignation is reasonable... sadly.


There are two issues here - the auto/DWI, and the forged hours at his job. The job case isn't getting a trial, that investigation is concluded and speaks to his ethics. Those facts are in and are enough to go on for Fulop, IMHO. The DWI is the only issue, and a big one, that legally isn't settled. But the breathalyzer test is pretty factual and hard to ignore.

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Id love to see Chico leave the council. I think he is a disgrace. That said, there is clearly a different relationship between 2 council--members (one of whom has been indicted for corruption) and a mayor and a council-member (who hasn't been indicted for fraud/theft - yet). If/once Chico is indicted then I think it is completely reasonable to expect Fulop (and the rest of the council) to call for his resignation and to call any inaction hypocrisy. until there is an indictment, not demanding a resignation is reasonable... sadly.

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I hope prosecutors are on it and indite.

The innocent or guilty are right now under no obligation to speak.


The uneducated, too.

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If there is any criminal wrong doing, I hope prosecutors are on it and indite.

The innocent or guilty are right now under no obligation to speak.


I believe the point being made is when his political opponents had similar legal problems, Fulop would routinely scream his head off, saying how improper their conduct was and demanding they resign. He saw no need for the legal process to play out before making such demands.

But now that the shoe is on another foot, and one of his political allies is in hot water, Fulop is uncharastically silent. Making him extremely hypocritical on this issue, and taking away from his moral credibility.


I don't disagree with what you wrote. I was trying to be diplomatic. :)

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If there is any criminal wrong doing, I hope prosecutors are on it and indite.

The innocent or guilty are right now under no obligation to speak.


I believe the point being made is when his political opponents had similar legal problems, Fulop would routinely scream his head off, saying how improper their conduct was and demanding they resign. He saw no need for the legal process to play out before making such demands.

But now that the shoe is on another foot, and one of his political allies is in hot water, Fulop is uncharastically silent. Making him extremely hypocritical on this issue, and taking away from his moral credibility.

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If there is any criminal wrong doing, I hope prosecutors are on it and indite.

The innocent or guilty are right now under no obligation to speak.

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First you were amusing, now you're boring me. Fulop-endorsed Councilman Chico was fired, with cause, for cheating Hudson County taxpayers. Leaving aside pending criminal proceedings on his drunk driving and assault by vehicle arrests, his theft by deception of county taxpayer funds should be enough for Fulop to make a clear statement that it's not 'old time JC/Hudson County' any longer.

The fact that he refuses to do so (and we know if it was a political opponent he'd be screaming) leads us to wonder what Chico has on him.



It's not often I agree with Monroe but he's right on this. If Chico had any ounce of integrity he would resign immediately. Given that he isn't Fulop should push him out the door.

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He's keeping his mouth shut because of O'Dea. Even a master logician such as yourself should be able to figure that out.

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First you were amusing, now you're boring me. Fulop-endorsed Councilman Chico was fired, with cause, for cheating Hudson County taxpayers. Leaving aside pending criminal proceedings on his drunk driving and assault by vehicle arrests, his theft by deception of county taxpayer funds should be enough for Fulop to make a clear statement that it's not 'old time JC/Hudson County' any longer.

The fact that he refuses to do so (and we know if it was a political opponent he'd be screaming) leads us to wonder what Chico has on him.


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lol, now you're just having fun. He was fired for having a no-show job with a Hudson County paycheck, cheating Hudson County taxpayers. It's not like he was fired from McDonalds for being a lousy burger flipper. He was cheating the same constituents he represented in his Ward!



He convicted of any of that? "Think you are getting ahead of yourself" again.

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lol, now you're just having fun. He was fired for having a no-show job with a Hudson County paycheck, cheating Hudson County taxpayers. It's not like he was fired from McDonalds for being a lousy burger flipper. He was cheating the same constituents he represented in his Ward!


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No, Chico has been been fired for having a no show job and cheating the taxpayers. Menendez is still working.


You can't hold an elected office if you get fired from your day job? As Christie might put it - "think you are getting ahead of yourself".

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No, Chico has been been fired for having a no show job and cheating the taxpayers. Menendez is still working.

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dtjc, it doesn't matter whether he was Councilman Fulop or Mayor Fulop. Asking for someone's resignation when their 'process' isn't complete, then not doing the same with someone on your council, who you backed for office, is simply inconsistent. The question would be, why?


A councilman calling for another councilman's resignation is fair game - like Fulop did with Vega. A Mayor calling upon an elected councilman's resignation can be viewed as an abuse of office. You've been engaged in politicking long enough to know the difference.


Nonsense. When the Councilman has a) been using a city agency car under a sham arrangement, circumventing the Mayor's wishes, b) wrecks said car, using a siren, while driving drunk, and c) steals Hudson County money (perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars worth) by a no-show job then d) get fired by said County after an investigation into the no-show job-NO ONE will think it's abuse of power to demand his resignation. First, he can't fire him but he can pressure him. Like he pressured the PA with the port truck scandal. To NOT demand Chico's head is weak, and again, begs the question 'what does Chico have on him'?


When has any senior pol publicly demanded another elected pol's resignation before a conviction? Is Christie equally weak for not demanding Menendez's head? You're simply spinning the story.

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dtjc, it doesn't matter whether he was Councilman Fulop or Mayor Fulop. Asking for someone's resignation when their 'process' isn't complete, then not doing the same with someone on your council, who you backed for office, is simply inconsistent. The question would be, why?


A councilman calling for another councilman's resignation is fair game - like Fulop did with Vega. A Mayor calling upon an elected councilman's resignation can be viewed as an abuse of office. You've been engaged in politicking long enough to know the difference.


Nonsense. When the Councilman has a) been using a city agency car under a sham arrangement, circumventing the Mayor's wishes, b) wrecks said car, using a siren, while driving drunk, and c) steals Hudson County money (perhaps hundreds of thousands of dollars worth) by a no-show job then d) get fired by said County after an investigation into the no-show job-NO ONE will think it's abuse of power to demand his resignation. First, he can't fire him but he can pressure him. Like he pressured the PA with the port truck scandal. To NOT demand Chico's head is weak, and again, begs the question 'what does Chico have on him'?

And riddle me this-can you seriously say that if Chico was a political opponent, rather than a staunch ally, would Fulop not be demanding him to step down?

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dtjc, it doesn't matter whether he was Councilman Fulop or Mayor Fulop. Asking for someone's resignation when their 'process' isn't complete, then not doing the same with someone on your council, who you backed for office, is simply inconsistent. The question would be, why?


A councilman calling for another councilman's resignation is fair game - like Fulop did with Vega. A Mayor calling upon an elected councilman's resignation can be viewed as an abuse of office. You've been engaged in politicking long enough to know the difference.

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Given that Fulop in the past hasn't hesitated to ask for resignations, in one case of an accused City Council President, it makes you wonder what Chico may have on him that's keeping him on the sidelines.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... fficial.html#incart_river


Great article. It's nice to see a reporter with memory who will hold those in power accountable.

I particularly liked this bit of hypocrisy from Fulop:

"Mariano is entitled to his day in court but every single vote he makes going forward is tainted," Fulop said.

Oh, and if Terrence reads this, in the section about Maria Maio the quote should be "no faith."


Fixed -- thank you!

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dtjc, it doesn't matter whether he was Councilman Fulop or Mayor Fulop. Asking for someone's resignation when their 'process' isn't complete, then not doing the same with someone on your council, who you backed for office, is simply inconsistent. The question would be, why?

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Terrence McDonald is the man ! Great job digging Terrence and exposing the hypocrisy of our leaders.


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Given that Fulop in the past hasn't hesitated to ask for resignations, in one case of an accused City Council President, it makes you wonder what Chico may have on him that's keeping him on the sidelines.

http://www.nj.com/hudson/index.ssf/20 ... fficial.html#incart_river


Only one of those was while Fulop was Mayor - and in that case he had every right given they were a City appointee. By following due process in Chico's case, he avoids lawsuits against the City and accusations of political motivation against an elected official. No different to Christie's stance on Menendez.
http://www.northjersey.com/news/stile ... ez-s-legal-woes-1.1301939

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