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oh please..christie is not going to the white house! christie's record in nj is just pathetic. even worse than rick perry in texas
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I find Hoboken mayor's claim to be very credible. But to prove this is something different. US attorney is investigating this now, so we have to wait.
Keep your fingers crossed, whichever side you are on this issue. "Is Christie going to the White House? Or Jail House?"
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we all know that Christie's team is full of dbags
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why would she just make this up!
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Or perhaps because she is completely full of sh*t?
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Er, who holds the Senate now??? Last I saw it was the Democrats????
Posted on: 2014/1/27 21:26
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Perhaps Mayor Zimmer didn't realzie the depth of the filth with Christie and his Team. Perhaps she thought she would be laughed at.
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Because the "conservative" red state heartland of America is the real 47%, taking far more than they give. NJ is not alone, typically the industrialized northern states lose the contest to the sparsely settled western and southern red states that use their advantage in the senate. Who's got the most people who pay no federal tax? The "rugged independents" of old south solid red states. Texas is the major outlier.  
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Credible? She's already said she doesn't keep a diary . . . and besides, there was no more money available to be given out. Why has she lawyered up when she's not under investigation??
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And I love this comment from the above: "Homepage blurb on the NYTimes story: "Dawn Zimmer, the Hoboken mayor who accused aides to Gov. Chris Christie of making political threats, drifted into politics without a plan only to be vaulted to national attention. " This is one of the things that absolutely KILLS the dark side. They spend every waking hour of the day and hundreds of thousands of dollars playing dirty politics and working the machine, and here is a Lady Mayor who rises to the top not through scheming and scamming and dessert reception events but through honesty and an unwavering belief in good government. They HATE that. But thankfully, voters love it."
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Zimmer is far from perfect. As mayor she's had her share of screwups - still learning, but she is extremely credible. From the blog Hoboken Horse. The author is a fervent Zimmer supporter, and also a Republican afaik.
http://www.hobokenhorse.com/2014/01/r ... immer-does-not-stand.html Report: Mayor Zimmer does not stand alone with her knowledge on SandyGate One of the chief talking points assailing Mayor Zimmer's claim decrying Sandy aid being held hostage to a potential billion dollar development in Hoboken has fallen with a national investigative report revealing at least five people in the Mile Square City are witnesses. The news comes from a national investigative report by NBC confirming the US Attorney's Office and FBI interviewed others in Hoboken on MLK last Monday. Federal agents have asked each to preserve all evidence including emails verifying details of the allegations Hoboken was being held hostage by Christie Administration officials in SandyGate. Dan Bryan, Chief of Staff to Mayor Zimmer is reportedly in the know on SandyGate and is cooperating with the Feds. Among those on the in-the-know list: Dan Bryan, the mayor's Chief of Staff, Juan Melli who holds the unsworn position running the City's communications and reform Councilman Dave Mello. Zimmer's aides won't speak on the matter as they've been directed otherwise by the Feds who are actively investigating but Mello is quoted in the story confirming he knew of Zimmer's allegations about the Christie administration linking Sandy aid to approving the Rockefeller Group development. From the NBC report, Mello recalls speaking to the mayor about it last summer saying: "I distinctly remember [Zimmer] saying that the lieutenant governor said, 'If this came out, she would deny it,'" he said. "I thought it was absurd and outrageous," said Mello, adding that he pressed Zimmer whether she would speak out publicly about what she said took place. "She told me, 'It was a done deal that [Christie] was going to be re-elected" and she did not want to jeopardize further funding for the city, he said...
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No mistake, why should NJ taxpayers shoulder the cost alone? And the NYTimes is now just silly, lol.
Posted on: 2014/1/27 15:33
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here's some info on christie's big mistake, regarding the tunnel
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/13/opi ... -tunnel-project.html?_r=0 i'm no y-----.
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potato, poTAto. ny will keep investing in its infrastructure, and nj won't. guess which state will grow faster longer term, especially if there is another sandy. guess which state will have resilient systems
Posted on: 2014/1/27 15:20
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Do a cost/benefit study to see what the cost would be. Just changing all trains to double deckers would be a cheaper solution, no? But, again-making all the stakeholders share in the many billion dollar cost overruns is the only fair way to share the pain. Why should NJ taxpayers shoulder the cost alone?
Posted on: 2014/1/27 14:54
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what state would reap most of the benefit from higher property taxes? the commuters from which state would benefit more from having more access to manhattan - shorter delays!
Posted on: 2014/1/27 14:43
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Things seem to be getting worse for mayor looney googly eyes.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governme ... t-She-Didn-t-Keep-A-Diary
Posted on: 2014/1/27 14:36
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Why would a tunnel, that the Feds say is critical to the region, and NY would reap untold gazillions in taxes (on the wages earned by NJ commuters) solely have the inevitable cost overruns placed on the back of NJ taxpayers?
Why would NJ, which ranks just about at the bottom of tax dollars returned from Washington, not expect a fair and equitable partnership from Washington on cost overruns? Christie was right. Why haven't our Democrat Senators brought us mass transit money for the last five decades? Bradley? Lautenberg? Now Booker? Menendez? Where's the money for NJ transit riders? Why are we 48th or 49th in getting return from DC?
Posted on: 2014/1/27 13:39
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bull....let me ut this another way. does not having another tunnell hurt ny or nj more.....it hurts nj much more.....ny as the mothership of the region is always gonna reap more benefit from anything nj does......just look at the superbowl
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Read this article from 10/13. It's getting ugly for Christie.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/11/nyr ... 8-RBaQ2Aj8W5N640Ulnwyt9A&
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Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer is probably telling the truth for these reasons: Moran
By Tom Moran/ Star-Ledger Editorial Board January 26, 2014 at 11:15 AM We may never know whether Hoboken Mayor Dawn Zimmer is telling the truth. She could be a psychotic liar. We have plenty of those in the world of New Jersey politics. She could have misunderstood. Zimmer remembers Lt. Gov. Kim Guadagno shaking her down, saying she would not get Hurricane Sandy aid for Hoboken unless she approved a big real estate deal the governor favored. But maybe Guadagno was only suggesting that more downtown development would improve her odds in the competition for Sandy aid. Maybe when Zimmer heard Guadagno say, "I know it?s not right," the real words were "Have a good night." And why didn?t Zimmer object right away? Instead, she continued praising the governor, even a few months after that bare-knuckled showdown with Guadagno. A good lawyer might be able to mix those ingredients to create reasonable doubt about Zimmer?s account. And with no recordings of the conversation, that might be the end of it. But let?s look at the other side, the reasons we should believe Zimmer, and why her shocking story is probably true. 1. Zimmer is ready to take a polygraph and testify under oath. She knows that lying to federal prosecutors is a serious crime. Why would she expose herself to ruin, with no hope of personal gain? It comes to this: She is either telling the truth or she is certifiably insane. And no one thinks Zimmer is insane. 2. This was no misunderstanding. Zimmer?s account is explicit and leaves no wiggle room. Here is her recollection of Guadagno?s closing statement: "I know it?s not right ? these things should not be connected ? but they are ? and if you tell anyone, I will deny it." So in Zimmer?s account, Guadagno acknowledged this move was ethically wrong and linked Sandy aid to the development unequivocally. 3. Zimmer told others about this threat at the time, and wrote about it in her diary. So if she is not telling the truth now, she would have to have planned this ruse back in May after she and Guadagno spoke. In sexual assault cases, courts have established a "fresh complaint doctrine" that allows testimony from those who spoke with the victim at the time of the assault. It is typically invoked when a victim waits weeks or months before reporting the crime. A mother might testify that her daughter told her of the rape the night it occurred even though she did not go to police. In corruption cases, it?s not clear whether this "fresh complaint" evidence would be admissible. But it does fortify Zimmer?s credibility. 4. Zimmer was a Christie supporter. If these charges were coming from a hyper-partisan Democrat, you might think it was all a dirty trick aimed at a strong Republican contender for the presidency in 2016. But Zimmer liked Christie. She appeared with him several times over the years, supported his cost-cutting agenda, and is particularly grateful that the governor stepped in to help keep the city?s only hospital open when it faced bankruptcy. 5. This bullying fits a pattern. This case may have gone over the line into criminal behavior, and that would be new. Until now, Christie?s four years in office have been scandal free. But by Zimmer?s account, Guadagno acted like a thug. And we see the same arrogance and abuse off power in the George Washington Bridge scandal. This is the Christie team?s gestalt. * * * Federal prosecutors are swarming over Hoboken now looking for hard evidence. Maybe they will find a paper trail. No one thought the Christie team would be dumb enough to put its plans to sabotage Fort Lee in writing. But it turned out that former Deputy Chief of Staff Bridget Anne Kelly was indeed that dumb. In Hoboken, it could boil down to Zimmer?s word against Guadagno?s. Zimmer says she didn?t speak up until now because no one would have believed her before Bridgegate exposed the dark underbelly of Christie?s operation. And when she tweeted support for the governor, she was still hoping to get more Sandy aid. The testimony of one credible witness can be enough to win a criminal conviction, and often is in rape cases, said Darren Gelber, president of the Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers of New Jersey. But in corruption cases, prosecutors rarely bring charges without more solid evidence, such as a recording or incriminating email. "I can?t think of a single case like that," Gelber says. So even if Zimmer is telling the truth, prosecutors may feel they can?t prove the crime "beyond a reasonable doubt." Guadagno has been an odd mute presence at Christie?s side over the past four years. The governor?s crew keeps her locked away from reporters. They must be afraid she will crash the car if they let her drive. She is said to have hopes to succeed Christie. But that is hard to imagine now. Because Zimmer?s testimony is believable. And the standard of proof in politics is not nearly as high as in a criminal courtroom. http://blog.nj.com/njv_tom_moran/2014 ... er_is_p.html#incart_river
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What flavor Kool-aid are you consuming tonight Monroe?
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A canard. If the other groups who would share in the benefits of the tunnel, NY and the Feds, would have agreed to equally share the inevitable cost overruns (see the Boston Big Dig), then the deal would've been done. They refused, and Christie, rightfully, pulled the plug on what would have cost NJ taxpayers untold BILLIONS of dollars while NY and the region reaped the benefits of the project.
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here is more daming stuff on christie
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/christies-other-traffic-jam
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She got caught up in the national media story about GWB and her 15 minutes on MSNBC. Even her staff are back pedaling this now... not a Christie person, but like most politicians in NJ, their public statements probably might be 25% true, especially when there are no witnesses.
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http://www.topnewstoday.org/politics/article/9631852/
AP confirms Hoboken's share of Sandy Aid "on par' with other cities. [/u][/u] So what is Dawn saying happened again? Hoboken got its money.
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This is all too crazy. At this point I don't know that it can be actually verified, but I don't really doubt that it happened.
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She's probably right on both counts. Check out the "controversies" section on Stack's Wikipedia page. Seems like he frequently abuses his power. This is corrupt typical NJ politics. So you are right about the Hudson County Democrats but that doesn't somehow absolve Christie of his role in this mess.
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Ok assuming that Dawn is not lying and assuming that she was so taken aback by Christie's corruption that she was moved to tears, then why did she vote for the Governor in 2013? She told everyone in town that she voted for Christie and she was glad that he was the Governor. How could she vote for him if she thought he was really corrupt? it makes no sense. Something is fishy about her story.
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And now we find out the Hudson County Democrats are sitting on a pile of Sandy recovery money (can't place this on Christie) but also that Zimmer has a prior history of saying she's been pressured politically-this time by Democrat Union City mayor Stack along with Democrat Bayonne mayor Smith.
No wonder she's lawyered up. http://www.nj.com/hudson/voices/index ... count_4.html#incart_river
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