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Agree it was an overdue and logical step. It was maddening to see nearly empty Hoboken trains, followed by packed JSQ trains, especially coming home from the city after work. Stations were so crowded that there were safety concerns, not to mention the delays caused by people trying to get on or off trains through the waiting crowds. That extra minute at each stop on the trip adds up. Some extra trains to JSQ will help a bit.
However, where was / is some proactive planning from the PA? As others have pointed out, this problem has been brewing for a long time. And guess what? It's going to get a lot worse, and soon. Heads-up PA - see those shiny, new towers going up all over JC...? Well, they are going to be full of commuters. What is your plan for when those buildings are completed?
Posted on: 2015/5/20 19:38
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I'm pretty sure they added more every-4-minute JSQ trains to times that were, before, every-5-minute, but couldn't be sure since I didn't have the old schedule handy and I have a late enough work schedule to (thankfully) not hit the absolute peak of rush hour.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 21:30
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They added an extra minute onto the empty Hoboken trains and gave that minute to the overcrowded JC trains. Compare the current and old schedules. I agree it's the first logical thing I've seen them do in forever. Yet their spoiled brat mayor has to complain on and on about it, ultimately seeking to make JC trains more crowded. I agree the best solution is for both cities to have extra frequency, but the recent change is a logical solution that doesn't cost any extra money and should be applauded, not cried about.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 21:29
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Yes, she should shut up. She's loudly complaining about the recent change to the PATH schedules that increased 33rd street rush hour frequency to all JC stations. If the reporter is correct, she wants it reversed, which would harm JC. And it's discussed right in the article, not sure what you missed. Previously, 33rd rush hour trains to JC came every 5 minutes. Now they come every 4 minutes. Apparently, that extra minute in frequency came at the expense of Hoboken, who has long enjoyed far superior service to JC (their trains are always less crowded). She should appreciate how great Hoboken has had it compared to JC and put a lid on it.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 21:24
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But did the PA cut service by 14% or shift service to different stations? It is an important distinction.
The 33rd street line is currently at capacity. Adding service simply isn't an option in the short term. Adjusting service so you add to areas that are crowded at the expense of areas that are not crowded makes sense. It's the first logical thing I've seen them do in forever. FWIW, I looked at the schedules and JSQ is 4-5 min between trains to Hoboken's 7.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 21:06
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The PA has absolutely specified additional JC service, it's all in the schedule. For instance, the every-5-minute trains now start a little earlier and end a little later for both morning and evening rush hours. Of course it's not enough, though. That said, I agree entirely, and it's obviously time for some new ideas. PA is spending all this money upgrading stations (sadly, not the most useful ones) from 8-car to 10-car - why not make the switch to articulated train cars? You could run longer trains with existing stations, not to mention use all that wasted space between cars (probably increasing the usable space by 5-10% without adding any length at all). They might even be able to run some trains express (say, stopping only at Christopher and 33rd) as long as they could coordinate the turnarounds properly. Hudson County as a whole (including both Zimmer and Fulop) needs to be aggressively pushing this sort of thing to all agencies involved. Unfortunately, there are three of them, and none of them are solely concerned with the needs of Hudson County residents. That's a problem. But there are solutions. Adding a Hudson County north-south ferry line run by NJ Transit, maybe even subsidizing ferry travel in general? Increasing light rail service and speeds? Figuring out some way to get these agencies to work together so that taking the (higher capacity, lower crowding) WTC PATH and connecting to the subway doesn't have to double monthly commute costs? All these things could help.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 21:04
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Zimmer should shut the hell up?? Where is she griping about service moving to JC. The PA hasn?t even specified what additional service JC is getting now (if any). The only thing she quoted about would benefit us too? "We should be talking about adding more capacity, yet the Port Authority cut rush hour service by 14 percent overnight with no public input?It defies all logic...Enough with the service cuts, enough with the short-sightedness. Let's invest in a 21st century transportation system that will truly support our growing region." I hope she speaks up some more, and hopefully Fulop does too.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 20:38
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She should go to the Christopher Street stop during evening rush hour to see how jam packed the JSQ trains are compared to the Hoboken trains. Having to wait an extra minute is nothing compared to having to let a train or two go by because you can't cram your self on a train.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 20:21
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Hell, sometimes, I'll just take a nice walk up the waterfront if I get ready earlier than normal. Ironic, though, that the development of Journal Square might get rid of some of the car -> PATH commuters.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 19:58
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I miss working in the city but I don't miss the rush hour commute.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 19:46
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Stellar reporting there, detailing the cuts to Hoboken, but no mention of what the increase is for JC.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 19:41
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Zimmer should shut the hell up. I hate how this article is written to make it seem like we have to apologize to Hoboken for having the gall to make them wait one whole extra minute for the PATH. The Hoboken trains are always nearly empty in comparison to the Jersey City trains so I think there should be even more of a service shift.
Posted on: 2015/5/19 19:35
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Some passengers at Hoboken Terminal will have to wait a little longer to catch a PATH train to New York, and they can blame overcrowding in Jersey City for it, Port Authority officials told NJ Advance Media on Tuesday.
Passengers headed to 33rd Street from Hoboken now must wait seven minutes between trains instead of six, since Port Authority extended wait times in late April, said spokesman Steve Coleman. The changes only apply from 7:35 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. and 4:30 p.m. to 6 p.m., and were implemented in order to decrease wait times at Jersey City stations, which have been experiencing "significant platform crowding issues" due to "high growth and ridership," he said. Story
Posted on: 2015/5/19 19:22
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This interaction is symbolic of the broader relationship between the PA and the general public. Try asking the PA why we are forced to divert to Hoboken late nights and on weekends and you'll get a similar shrug.
Posted on: 2015/5/11 2:18
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It's 82 degrees out, and not only is the air conditioning absent from this packed train outta Newark, the heated seats are on full blast.
When informed of this, the conductor shrugged. Good job, PATH.
Posted on: 2015/5/10 20:50
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Waited almost 30min for a WTC bound train this morning at Grove.
What a joke.
Posted on: 2015/4/25 22:55
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Did you hear? A new PATH schedule starting this weekend. So, exciting. I can't wait to see how the reduce service this time.
Posted on: 2015/4/25 3:07
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Also close enough to Brooklyn & Queens so they could spend effort on the NYC subsidize route.
Posted on: 2015/3/19 2:14
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Jeez, it's obvious. One of them, the WTC line, is a loop. That allows for more trains as opposed to 33rd. where every train has to be turned around thus slowing down the whole line.
Posted on: 2015/3/18 4:47
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one goes to 33rd and the other goes to wtc
what do i win?
Posted on: 2015/3/18 4:42
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A hint.
Posted on: 2015/3/17 22:42
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$1.00 for the first person who can tell us the difference between the 33rd St and WTC train routes? Quick!
Posted on: 2015/3/17 19:35
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LOL, when I was going to work on WTC line around 8-8:15am it was completely opposite. The 33rd lines were not packed whereas WTC riders need to wait. This is because of the timing, most people going to WTC work in finance and need to be in the office and prepare everything before the markets open. Hence the decline in ridership around 9am.
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Do you notice that all of these vanity projects are in Manhattan? This is Scumbag Cuomo getting his. Then, they'll raise the PATH train fair while cutting down on the service. It's all in the cards...
Posted on: 2015/3/17 18:18
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The ratio of WTC to 33rd trains is becoming just as much of a problem, I think. Two WTC trains come for every 33rd St train, and typically every other WTC train is pretty empty, while the 33rd Street trains are packed at any hour before 9am. On days that I commute I tend to get to Grove between 9-9:15 so it's not bad, but if I have an early situation I have to get to, the 33rd Street line is Sardinesville.
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Cannot make this garbage up. The Federal government should find a way to disband the Port Authority. The mismanagement of funds is an absolute crime. All these poor decisions will rear their head in the next 10 years when the path system is going to be under a tremendous amount of pressure.
Posted on: 2015/3/17 18:06
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I don't understand how creating a new tunnel into NYC could possibly be cheaper than fixing up an existing building.
Posted on: 2015/3/17 18:02
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So after $4bn in the hole for the new WTC PATH station, now the Port Authority is mulling another $11bn for a rebuild of the Bus Terminal?!?!
Yes it's a hole, but it's a fricking bus station! Every bus station I have ever been to is a hole - because they are BUS STATIONS! $3bn for 1WTC, by far the most expensive skyscraper ever built; $4bn for the PATH terminal, by far the most expensive train station ever built. Now $11bn for this boondoggle - what a disgrace. Just to put this in perspective, the budget for the cancelled ARC Tunnel into Penn Station was $8.7 billion. Yet another vanity project from the PA which does virtually nothing to add capacity to the region's infrastructure or do anything to plan for the one million new people living in NYC by 2040, and the additional millions living in the metro area. The Port Authority is an embarrassment to the human species.
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Why? The "fine PATH Train service here in town" has been operating for decades.
Posted on: 2015/3/14 1:01
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I hired a new Maid Service...the owners credit the fine PATH Train service here in town for launching their business. Hilarious! And the cleaning was great, btw. We'll probably be reading more of these stories soon.
http://www.maidinjc.com/about/
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