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Looks like Hoboken on a Sat, Vigilante. If a new bar like the Tilted Kilt didn't turn JC into Hoboken, why would a casino turn JC into Vegas? Vegas and Hoboken are already party cities. JC isn't.

Precisely and Thank God. Last thing we need is to import D-Bags by the thousands to trash our city.

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Looks like Hoboken on a Sat, Vigilante. If a new bar like the Tilted Kilt didn't turn JC into Hoboken, why would a casino turn JC into Vegas? Vegas and Hoboken are already party cities. JC isn't.

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Posted on: 2014/2/10 3:55

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If your arguments were true, we wouldn't already have billions of dollars invested on the JC waterfront. To see all the businessmen and tourists that don't come to JC, just step in to the Hyatt or Westin. The superbowl teams and a lot of their fans stayed there - and not NYC. If they didn't spend money locally - that's the city's and local businesses fault for not leveraging the opportunity.

I'd say put the casino license out to bid and see what developers and investors are prepared to pay. They're the real speculators, not us.

No, that is not true.

The studies on casinos show that they increase crime in the communities they are located. Specifically, a marked increase in substance abuse, mental illness and suicide, violent crime, auto theft and larceny, and bankruptcy.

Developers and investors don't have to live in the area and deal with the increased crime. The residents are those who stand the most to lose.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/w ... kruptcy-and-even-suicide/

And if the only jobs in town were in dive bars, everyone would likely be an alcoholic...think you are cherry-picking a little. Did the research cover impact of NYC casinos to NYC, or just tribal reservations and places where the casinos were the area's main industry?

The New York Times Editorial Board recently expressed a similar sentiment about NY casinos.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/25/opi ... -new-york-state.html?_r=0

Exactly. Casinos add a scuzzy film to everything they touch. Worst idea ever for a city that is on the rise. Anyone who thinks that "developers" would figure out the best implementation and marketing is SEVERELY deluded.

If there's enough developer competition for a casino license, then the city and state get to write the rules. If not, well it's probably a bad idea. Roll the dice I say. Nothing deluded about that.

And JCMan8 - the link simply inferred what might happen in NYC based on NY state tribal casino/"racino" experiences. A casino in JC wouldn't be without it's challenges, but with the right regulation and enforcement the downsides could be mitigated....and the city wouldn't die if it failed.

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If your arguments were true, we wouldn't already have billions of dollars invested on the JC waterfront. To see all the businessmen and tourists that don't come to JC, just step in to the Hyatt or Westin. The superbowl teams and a lot of their fans stayed there - and not NYC. If they didn't spend money locally - that's the city's and local businesses fault for not leveraging the opportunity.

I'd say put the casino license out to bid and see what developers and investors are prepared to pay. They're the real speculators, not us.

No, that is not true.

The studies on casinos show that they increase crime in the communities they are located. Specifically, a marked increase in substance abuse, mental illness and suicide, violent crime, auto theft and larceny, and bankruptcy.

Developers and investors don't have to live in the area and deal with the increased crime. The residents are those who stand the most to lose.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/w ... kruptcy-and-even-suicide/

And if the only jobs in town were in dive bars, everyone would likely be an alcoholic...think you are cherry-picking a little. Did the research cover impact of NYC casinos to NYC, or just tribal reservations and places where the casinos were the area's main industry?

The New York Times Editorial Board recently expressed a similar sentiment about NY casinos.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/25/opi ... -new-york-state.html?_r=0

Exactly. Casinos add a scuzzy film to everything they touch. Worst idea ever for a city that is on the rise. Anyone who thinks that "developers" would figure out the best implementation and marketing is SEVERELY deluded.

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If your arguments were true, we wouldn't already have billions of dollars invested on the JC waterfront. To see all the businessmen and tourists that don't come to JC, just step in to the Hyatt or Westin. The superbowl teams and a lot of their fans stayed there - and not NYC. If they didn't spend money locally - that's the city's and local businesses fault for not leveraging the opportunity.

I'd say put the casino license out to bid and see what developers and investors are prepared to pay. They're the real speculators, not us.

No, that is not true.

The studies on casinos show that they increase crime in the communities they are located. Specifically, a marked increase in substance abuse, mental illness and suicide, violent crime, auto theft and larceny, and bankruptcy.

Developers and investors don't have to live in the area and deal with the increased crime. The residents are those who stand the most to lose.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/w ... kruptcy-and-even-suicide/

And if the only jobs in town were in dive bars, everyone would likely be an alcoholic...think you are cherry-picking a little. Did the research cover impact of NYC casinos to NYC, or just tribal reservations and places where the casinos were the area's main industry?

The New York Times Editorial Board recently expressed a similar sentiment about NY casinos.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/25/opi ... -new-york-state.html?_r=0

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If your arguments were true, we wouldn't already have billions of dollars invested on the JC waterfront. To see all the businessmen and tourists that don't come to JC, just step in to the Hyatt or Westin. The superbowl teams and a lot of their fans stayed there - and not NYC. If they didn't spend money locally - that's the city's and local businesses fault for not leveraging the opportunity.

I'd say put the casino license out to bid and see what developers and investors are prepared to pay. They're the real speculators, not us.

No, that is not true.

The studies on casinos show that they increase crime in the communities they are located. Specifically, a marked increase in substance abuse, mental illness and suicide, violent crime, auto theft and larceny, and bankruptcy.

Developers and investors don't have to live in the area and deal with the increased crime. The residents are those who stand the most to lose.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/w ... kruptcy-and-even-suicide/

And if the only jobs in town were in dive bars, everyone would likely be an alcoholic...think you are cherry-picking a little. Did the research cover impact of NYC casinos to NYC, or just tribal reservations and places where the casinos were the area's main industry?

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If your arguments were true, we wouldn't already have billions of dollars invested on the JC waterfront. To see all the businessmen and tourists that don't come to JC, just step in to the Hyatt or Westin. The superbowl teams and a lot of their fans stayed there - and not NYC. If they didn't spend money locally - that's the city's and local businesses fault for not leveraging the opportunity.

I'd say put the casino license out to bid and see what developers and investors are prepared to pay. They're the real speculators, not us.

No, that is not true.

The studies on casinos show that they increase crime in the communities they are located. Specifically, a marked increase in substance abuse, mental illness and suicide, violent crime, auto theft and larceny, and bankruptcy.

Developers and investors don't have to live in the area and deal with the increased crime. The residents are those who stand the most to lose.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/w ... kruptcy-and-even-suicide/

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If your arguments were true, we wouldn't already have billions of dollars invested on the JC waterfront. To see all the businessmen and tourists that don't come to JC, just step in to the Hyatt or Westin. The superbowl teams and a lot of their fans stayed there - and not NYC. If they didn't spend money locally - that's the city's and local businesses fault for not leveraging the opportunity.

I'd say put the casino license out to bid and see what developers and investors are prepared to pay. They're the real speculators, not us.

Posted on: 2014/2/9 22:00

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A casino need not be simply about gambling. Think Mohegan Sun/Barclays/Javitts combo. Accommodation, conference and events hosting, partner with local amenities such as cruises and golf. JC could be quite an attractive package.

So then just build a conference/convention center with an attached hotel. Maybe Jersey City could use something like that to attract events that are too small to be held in NYC, I don't know. It would have all those things you mention except gaming tables and machines, and it might have the potential to generate some spillover business to the nearby restaurants, shopping and other businesses. Casinos almost never bring benefits to the neighboring businesses, as TheBigGuy mentioned, they are self-contained properties that do everything to keep you within their buildings and not venturing into the surrounding neighborhoods.

I still don't think another casino in New Jersey will ever happen anyway as long as the Atlantic City politicians and the casino lobby have anything to say about it. AC is barely breathing now and this would be the final nail on the coffin.

Guess that's where vision and marketing comes into it. You guys are think of busing the blue-rinse ladies in with their oxygen tanks, AC-style. I'd have thought marketing to the overseas crowd traveling to NYC - such as Asian businessmen and European holidaymakers - would have been the way to go. And yes, casinos like to lock-in the business, but all have concierge services and ticket desks. It would be down to the city and local business to leverage those services for local marketing, and not expect a free ride.

If there are Asian businessmen and European holidaymakers who would come to Jersey City to gamble and spend all kinds of money, I would sure as hell love to see that with my own eyes and meet this rare species of people. I don't think any exist on this planet, as long as NYC is right across the river.

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A casino need not be simply about gambling. Think Mohegan Sun/Barclays/Javitts combo. Accommodation, conference and events hosting, partner with local amenities such as cruises and golf. JC could be quite an attractive package.

So then just build a conference/convention center with an attached hotel. Maybe Jersey City could use something like that to attract events that are too small to be held in NYC, I don't know. It would have all those things you mention except gaming tables and machines, and it might have the potential to generate some spillover business to the nearby restaurants, shopping and other businesses. Casinos almost never bring benefits to the neighboring businesses, as TheBigGuy mentioned, they are self-contained properties that do everything to keep you within their buildings and not venturing into the surrounding neighborhoods.

I still don't think another casino in New Jersey will ever happen anyway as long as the Atlantic City politicians and the casino lobby have anything to say about it. AC is barely breathing now and this would be the final nail on the coffin.

Guess that's where vision and marketing comes into it. You guys are think of busing the blue-rinse ladies in with their oxygen tanks, AC-style. I'd have thought marketing to the overseas crowd traveling to NYC - such as Asian businessmen and European holidaymakers - would have been the way to go. And yes, casinos like to lock-in the business, but all have concierge services and ticket desks. It would be down to the city and local business to leverage those services for local marketing, and not expect a free ride.

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A casino need not be simply about gambling. Think Mohegan Sun/Barclays/Javitts combo. Accommodation, conference and events hosting, partner with local amenities such as cruises and golf. JC could be quite an attractive package.

So then just build a conference/convention center with an attached hotel. Maybe Jersey City could use something like that to attract events that are too small to be held in NYC, I don't know. It would have all those things you mention except gaming tables and machines, and it might have the potential to generate some spillover business to the nearby restaurants, shopping and other businesses. Casinos almost never bring benefits to the neighboring businesses, as TheBigGuy mentioned, they are self-contained properties that do everything to keep you within their buildings and not venturing into the surrounding neighborhoods.

I still don't think another casino in New Jersey will ever happen anyway as long as the Atlantic City politicians and the casino lobby have anything to say about it. AC is barely breathing now and this would be the final nail on the coffin.

Guess that's where vision and marketing comes into it. You guys are think of busing the blue-rinse ladies in with their oxygen tanks, AC-style. I'd have thought marketing to the overseas crowd traveling to NYC - such as Asian businessmen and European holidaymakers - would have been the way to go. And yes, casinos like to lock-in the business, but all have concierge services and ticket desks. It would be down to the city and local business to leverage those services for local marketing, and not expect a free ride.

Did you see what happened during the Super Bowl? Disappointing yes, but pretty much all tourists stayed the hell out of JC and spent their time in NYC. The "Asian businessmen and European holidaymakers" you speak of have the ideal of NYC emblazoned firmly in their minds. It's like the Americans that will live in a slum in Brooklyn just for having the NYC zipcode but 1000x worse.

They are not going to tell their friends they're going on vacation/staying at Jersey City, and a casino is not going to change that. And if staying in NYC, I doubt they'll make the effort to come into JC just to gamble, because as others have said, NYC has their own casinos.

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A casino need not be simply about gambling. Think Mohegan Sun/Barclays/Javitts combo. Accommodation, conference and events hosting, partner with local amenities such as cruises and golf. JC could be quite an attractive package.

So then just build a conference/convention center with an attached hotel. Maybe Jersey City could use something like that to attract events that are too small to be held in NYC, I don't know. It would have all those things you mention except gaming tables and machines, and it might have the potential to generate some spillover business to the nearby restaurants, shopping and other businesses. Casinos almost never bring benefits to the neighboring businesses, as TheBigGuy mentioned, they are self-contained properties that do everything to keep you within their buildings and not venturing into the surrounding neighborhoods.

I still don't think another casino in New Jersey will ever happen anyway as long as the Atlantic City politicians and the casino lobby have anything to say about it. AC is barely breathing now and this would be the final nail on the coffin.

Guess that's where vision and marketing comes into it. You guys are think of busing the blue-rinse ladies in with their oxygen tanks, AC-style. I'd have thought marketing to the overseas crowd traveling to NYC - such as Asian businessmen and European holidaymakers - would have been the way to go. And yes, casinos like to lock-in the business, but all have concierge services and ticket desks. It would be down to the city and local business to leverage those services for local marketing, and not expect a free ride.

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A casino need not be simply about gambling. Think Mohegan Sun/Barclays/Javitts combo. Accommodation, conference and events hosting, partner with local amenities such as cruises and golf. JC could be quite an attractive package.

So then just build a conference/convention center with an attached hotel. Maybe Jersey City could use something like that to attract events that are too small to be held in NYC, I don't know. It would have all those things you mention except gaming tables and machines, and it might have the potential to generate some spillover business to the nearby restaurants, shopping and other businesses. Casinos almost never bring benefits to the neighboring businesses, as TheBigGuy mentioned, they are self-contained properties that do everything to keep you within their buildings and not venturing into the surrounding neighborhoods.

I still don't think another casino in New Jersey will ever happen anyway as long as the Atlantic City politicians and the casino lobby have anything to say about it. AC is barely breathing now and this would be the final nail on the coffin.

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i say let's skip the casino...have they rejuvenated any city? isn't atlantic city still a sh_thole and las vegas is not much further behind?

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First, we will have more drunk drivers on our roads, we will not benefit because sales revenues goes to the state not JC. Taxes? Everything in this city is abatement, meaning the rateable base is kept artificially low. I keep reminding people here the ratable base was close to $7 billion in 1988 but is now under $6 billion due to abatements. Let the people decide if they want casino gambling like it did for Atlantic City.

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At a Press of Atlantic City editorial board session, the Senate president said it would be a good idea to have casinos at urban centers like Jersey City, Camden and Newark. But you have to give Atlantic City five years to develop their tourism because they have done such a stellar job the past few decades. The odds of a casino in Jersey City are worse than at a roulette table.

Not to be outdone, and since Jersey City was mentioned, Fulop pipes up and agrees with Sweeney. One can only presume the mayor's communications "guru," Robert Sommer, coaxed Fulop to jump into the fray -- even though it would not be an exclusive to the Wall Street Journal, New York Times or the UK's Financial Times. It was a quick counter strike because you can't have Sweeney have the last word.

Fulop had a more palpable issue to tackle when the Port Authority announced it was shutting down PATH weekend service to and from the World Trade Center stop. Understand we have to take anything the bi-state agency says with a grain of salt, ever since Bridgegate. Ostensibly, they are making technological improvements that they didn't do after 9/11 and a number of other times they shut down, including post-Sandy.

And to make sure you know who is on the side of the angels, Fulop said: ?This is the same old song from the Port Authority on how they treat host cities like Jersey City and their residents. It only further highlights why we hired legal counsel to sue to the Port Authority.?

The city has been threatening to file a $400 million lawsuit against the PA to get the agency to pay more taxes on its city properties, like all those tax-abated other properties out there.

Fulop is also moaning about the planned long closure of the Pulaski Skyway, constant traffic problems that includes the Route 139 ramp westbound closing and the traditional blossoming of potholes. Sweeney should have a quality of life bill of rights for the city.

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@Yvonne - JC isn't AC and Fulop isn't Nucky Thompson. Might need some new, strictly enforced, City ordinances to keep things clean. But that would be part and parcel of doing it right.

@Vigilante - crass casinos are the epitome of crass, American culture. Done right they can be pretty amazing places, with upscale dining, shopping, shows, etc.

@TheBigGuy - apples and oranges with your examples. A casino isn't the Superbowl nor the Barclays - though both these events were free publicity for JC, and brought in hotel tax dollars if nothing else. If the casino license was subject to an open bidding process, the City could pretty much get what it wanted in terms of property taxes, entertainment licenses, local jobs, new infrastructure, city clean-up, etc. Whether the casino succeeded or failed would depend on the investors - but there's a huge variety of possibilities different to anything in NYC - upscale-resort, theme-based (like Treasure Island, Circus-Circus), off-Broadway shows, etc. Local businesses would need to leverage the casino for branding and marketing, and not expect a simple trickle-down the other way around. And the City could help facilitate that.

IMO it's not without some serious risks, but it's an opportunity worth exploring further.

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Casinos are the epitome of crass, American culture. In a faraway place in the woods, where Indians are exploiting the pale-face, they are fine. Love to know how many drunk drivers they add to the local highways though. Meanwhile they turn seemingly normal, law-abiding citizens into desperate, destitute criminals.

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When casino gambling started in Atlantic City, the public supported it, there was a question on the ballot for voters. The same should happen here. AC received no benefit, it went to the state. But the city has more crime, drugs, and prostitution than before. Before gambling, AC was a nice family resort.

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Barclays (Private Club, 500K to join) and Super Bowl did very little to impact positively the Jersey City treasury or businesses. NYC already has a casino @ Aqueduct. Curious how many Jersey people actually travel over there to play. The casinos are self contained businesses; the last thing they want any player to do is leave the property. Most restaurants in DTJC see minimal revenue spike when JC hosts these events and that can be confirmed by towns like Norwich / Uncasville / Ledyard / Mystic / New London that have 2 large casinos in their back yards. They lost real jobs when companies Pfizer / General Dynamics left the area and the casinos became main region employers with most making minimum wage and many workers living 20 people to rented houses. Beautiful water front restaurants see very little casino business.

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Posted on: 2014/2/8 15:15

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i am all for a casino in jersey city, just put it in one of beacon's buildings.

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It's frankly a little bit troubling that Mayor Fulop so quickly and enthusiastically endorsed such an obviously awful idea.
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Maybe his world view includes the adult component of the 50,000,000 tourists who would be a PATH ride away.

Color me skeptical over the fact that Casinos are any type of tourist draw. With the exception of Las Vegas (which, I'll note was disproportionately devastated by the recession), what city in the US has experienced a tourist boom by building a casino? There's a casino in Philadelphia and I'm pretty sure people in that major city aren't climbing over each other to get there. And I've recently been to Atlantic City on a weekend and it was utterly and completely depressing. You could have safely had archery practice on the boardwalk without fear of hitting a person. It was a ghost town on a Saturday night.

Casinos seem to provide a nice sugar high for a few months while they're a novelty, but quickly become depressing monstrosities which serve as little more than a vampire to poorer communities.

In JC, the casino wouldn't be the draw, NYC would. How many tourists would pay to stay at a casino, minutes from NYC? Done right, it could be huge.

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It's frankly a little bit troubling that Mayor Fulop so quickly and enthusiastically endorsed such an obviously awful idea.
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Maybe his world view includes the adult component of the 50,000,000 tourists who would be a PATH ride away.

Color me skeptical over the fact that Casinos are any type of tourist draw. With the exception of Las Vegas (which, I'll note was disproportionately devastated by the recession), what city in the US has experienced a tourist boom by building a casino? There's a casino in Philadelphia and I'm pretty sure people in that major city aren't climbing over each other to get there. And I've recently been to Atlantic City on a weekend and it was utterly and completely depressing. You could have safely had archery practice on the boardwalk without fear of hitting a person. It was a ghost town on a Saturday night.

Casinos seem to provide a nice sugar high for a few months while they're a novelty, but quickly become depressing monstrosities which serve as little more than a vampire to poorer communities.

Posted on: 2014/2/8 14:43

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A casino need not be simply about gambling. Think Mohegan Sun/Barclays/Javitts combo. Accommodation, conference and events hosting, partner with local amenities such as cruises and golf. JC could be quite an attractive package.

Posted on: 2014/2/8 14:39

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You have to smirk at these politicians who are all in favor of "protecting" you from 32 ounce soft drinks, cigarette smoking in public parks, plastic water bottles, cooking oils and anything else that will make life better and yet they encourage putting casinos in as solutions to their financial mismanagement of local and state budgets. Just ask the citizens of towns near the CT casinos or AC. These politicians are junkies looking for their next revenue stream fix. Meanwhile kids are eating hotdogs or cereal for dinner because the most recent paycheck went into the lottery or a casino. I enjoy going to casinos to play or take in a good show, but you have to wonder about the people in wheelchairs or attached to air tanks sitting at penny slot machines.

Posted on: 2014/2/8 14:07

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jcman420 wrote:
It's frankly a little bit troubling that Mayor Fulop so quickly and enthusiastically endorsed such an obviously awful idea.
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Maybe his world view includes the adult component of the 50,000,000 tourists who would be a PATH ride away.

Posted on: 2014/2/8 12:26