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Re: OPEN JERSEY AVENUE TO LIBERTY STATE PARK!!
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I totally agree with Stranger. The pathway at the end of Jersey Ave. is crumy at best. The first thing I notice when I enter there is trash, mud and filth. Not a great welcome to this national treasure. Maybe someone kows exactly why this end of Jersey Ave is still so underdeveloped. Again, and I mentioned earlier, that I had heard that there was major chromium contamination there.

I still say widen the road and make the extention. However, limit the times of day that it is opened and by all means do not make it wide enough for delivery trucks. That might ease the tensions of the residents in Van Vorst Park that are so oppossed to this very natural connector to our great park.

Imagine Jersey Ave with a nice paved road, victorian inspired street lights, a narrow two laned bridge across to the park and a significant, worthy entrance sign. The city could offer a contest to the artist community of Jersey City to design this sign.Quote:

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How about making the route a little easier and safer for the people coming from downtown that are using the park- runners, bikers, rollerbladers, pedestrians, etc? Having to travel through a recycling facility on a pitted, gravel strewn, muddy/snowy/icy surface dodging dumptrucks is not exactly a welcoming entrance to the park.

There needs to be a paved, lighted path without truck traffic from the end of Jersey Ave., across the canal to LSP. This shouldn't be that difficult or expensive. Who owns that stretch of gravel anyway? Can the city require improvements or are we at the mercy of a junkyard?

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When I started this topic I had know idea that there was this much debate. I just wanted an easier access to the park to go jogging. Further, I just assumed, since it seems like such a likely connector, that it was being held up because of the chromium contamination and just general construction delays.

Kermit42 makes some good points. I, too, feel that vehicles are given to much priority. To adress that, I commented earlier about how in certain cities (after a Google query) I found that Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles and Mpls have on/off ramp issues and therefore limit their use during certain times. If the 14C exit, is bringing in a large amount of commuters who are trying to navigate through, already jammed surface steets, just to get to the Holland tunnel then the problem is the Turnpike and the 78. I also realized that the Park and Ride at the Liberty State Park Light Rail stop is also a major reason people are taking exit 14C. So, perhaps they build a road that parralles the existing off ramp road to spit you right into the parpking lot. that will aliviate alot of these people just waiting to get to the parking lot. The other spolution would be to limit the time that this potential Jersey Ave/Phillips extention would be open.

For all of us here to have a better way of life, keeping in mind that more traffic is coming, there needs to be an extention of some sort built to alliviate this gridlock every single work day. When I drive that way in the morning from Grand to Pacific to Johnson it is just a joke! What exists now is one way roads, jammed with vehicles, full of potholes, leading to a park that has one of the worlds most famous statues. It's discusting and sad.

Why doesn't the city want a beautiful entrance to this park?

Posted on: 2006/2/18 17:12
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Liberty State Park should have at least one entryway dedicated to pedestrian and bike access. For all the talk of "environmental racism," it is downtown Jersey City that already takes the largest hit when it comes to through traffic. We need another road funnelling traffic to downtown like we need a hole in the head.

Unfortunately, this is something that Jersey City, by itself, can't solve. Jersey City is fortunate to have the light rail, and at least some new developments are being centered around it. Continuing to expand public transportation, encouraging the growth of car sharing, and making the city more bike/pedestrian friendly through projects such as the East Coast Greenway are a start.

But ultimately, Jersey City will always attract its share of thru traffic. The Holland Tunnel just isn't going anywhere. Still, some foresight on the part of our local and county government is desparately needed. This includes working with neighboring municipalites and regions to help alleviate their congestion concerns as well.

The one example of county short sightedness that comes to mind has to do with the proposed extensions of the light rail. HBLRT is completing "phase 2" of construction to North Bergen. With its completion, Hudson County is fortunate to have a light rail system that reaches most of its eastern municipalities.

One would think that the next step would be to put the "Bergen" in Hudson Bergen Light Rail. One of the prior proposals for the HBLRT third phase was to extend the light rail along the "Northern Branch" to reach the eastern Bergen county towns as far as Tenafly.

Instead, the Hudson County freeholders are lobbying to extend the light rail west to go through Secaucus and wind up at "Xanadu." The only Bergen county stop would essentially be a bad entertainment complex, doing nothing for Bergen commuters or towns.

Of course, these Bergen commuters will instead have to drive through Hudson County and clog the roads. But such long term planning is lost on the county.

More relevant to the issue at hand, the borough president of Staten Island has expressed interest in extending the light rail over the Bayonne Bridge (which is doable) into Tottenville in Staten Island. Again, this would take commuters off the road, including some who may be driving through Bergen Lafayette. But for the local politcos, this means allowing someone else to get credit for bringing in government funding.

Jersey City will always face the problem of being not only a congested urban area in its own right, but also being a connector to New York City. I only wish the local transportation planners would go beyond the desire to get more money to simply build on their turf, and actually take a broader view of things.

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How about making a parking lot for downtowners with stickers on Jersey with a four hour limit in the interim. That will stop some from driving all the way over but will keep it a walk way.

Another thought -- what about a one way in road then it splits the difference and keeps the bottleneck from happening every fourth of july when people try to walk back after the fireworks.

Or make it a two way but have it closed during rush hours.

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How about making the route a little easier and safer for the people coming from downtown that are using the park- runners, bikers, rollerbladers, pedestrians, etc? Having to travel through a recycling facility on a pitted, gravel strewn, muddy/snowy/icy surface dodging dumptrucks is not exactly a welcoming entrance to the park.

There needs to be a paved, lighted path without truck traffic from the end of Jersey Ave., across the canal to LSP. This shouldn't be that difficult or expensive. Who owns that stretch of gravel anyway? Can the city require improvements or are we at the mercy of a junkyard?

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" City Government will love this. In fact, an engineer that I know says that is why the JC Planning Commission does notcare about all the developments going up and causing more traffic. Because in the end the residents will be forced to use public transportation and bikes" (I give up, how do you do those quote boxes)

Is this policy? Seems like a round about way of getting into compliance with the Clean Air Act. If people are really concerned about the pollution and traffic burden put on residents in Bergen-Lafayette they should explore the Environmental Justice Program run by EPA:
http://www.epa.gov/compliance/environmentaljustice/

For the record: I am not one of the two concerned citizens paranoid about The Stealth Highway. I have enough to worry about being followed around in GO.


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It seems this extention is a big issue. I just want to get into the park easier. Plus for Liberty State Park to not have a proper welcoming entrance of any kind is pretty sad.

AllanSommerman said, "I think the concern is that an auto connection will result in cars leaving the turnpike and using Jersey Avenue as a route to the Holland Tunnel. I was suprised by this. It seems that these commuters would rather stay on until Comumbus Ave or the Holland Tunnel rather then get off at 14C and end up navigating through the already congested city streets to get to the Holland tunnel. Especially, when/if this gets opened. But I do not commute from the West so I do not really know what the best route is.

There are many ways to limit exit ramp traffic as well. I have lived in cities where some exit ramps are not even availble during rush hour so that the traffic flow continues to the next off ramp. This also happens at large sporting events when large crowds come and go.

I think injcsince81 made some good points. It is not fair that that area is getting slammed with all the traffic. Just another reason why they need another route for this off ramp traffic at 14C. Perhaps limiting that off-ramp will be a start. I guess we will just have to see.Quote:

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Not connecting the Philips drive and Jersey avenue puts all the traffic into the densely-populated, poor area of the city (bergen-Lafayette).

Sounds like environmental racism to me.

The extension was proposed before, but "activists" like Mia Scanga successfully fought against it.

I am for it, and am willing to speak up for it if it ever comes up again.

But it makes too much sense, so it probably won't happen.

My hope is that the future Liberty Harbor North residents will push for it, and that the Bergen-Lafayette residents will demand a stop to the ridiculous detour through their neighborhood.

And, BTW, the argument about people using it as a short-cut for Holland Tunnel is a BS argument - that's what the Columbus Drive exit is for... (grin).


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Not connecting the Philips drive and Jersey avenue puts all the traffic into the densely-populated, poor area of the city (bergen-Lafayette).

Sounds like environmental racism to me.

The extension was proposed before, but "activists" like Mia Scanga successfully fought against it.

I am for it, and am willing to speak up for it if it ever comes up again.

But it makes too much sense, so it probably won't happen.

My hope is that the future Liberty Harbor North residents will push for it, and that the Bergen-Lafayette residents will demand a stop to the ridiculous detour through their neighborhood.

And, BTW, the argument about people using it as a short-cut for Holland Tunnel is a BS argument - that's what the Columbus Drive exit is for... (grin).


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This proposal has been made before. I think the concern is that an auto connection will result in cars leaving the turnpike and using Jersey Avenue as a route to the Holland Tunnel.

I believe this connection was part of what used to be referred to as The Stealth Highway project. Maybe it still is.

http://www.hartwheels.org/Stealth.html

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I am getting tired of driving from my house (Hamilton Park)to Grand to Pacific to Johnson in the mornings to get to Liberty State Park. I enjoy running over there and while the path at the end of Jersey Ave. works fine in good weather (though it is a bit creepy) during the colder months I prefer to drive the run.

It seems that all they need to do at the end of Jersey Ave. is to slightly widened it. I heard that area has chromium contamination but once that is cleaned up they will eventually open it.

As this town gets even more populated with more vehicles my already long 1.7 mile commute to the park will even take longer.


Anyone know about this???

Posted on: 2006/2/18 8:54
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