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Re: Jersey City Drops Lawsuit Against the Friends of the Loews Jersey City Landmark Theatre
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Anyone who has watched the documentary on the Loew's Wonder Theaters, seen what they did to the Brooklyn theater, and been to the JC Loew's wouldn't be saying that the JC renovation will cost far less than the Brooklyn reno. To get to Brooklyn level of detail will require a complete interior gut, and I'm sure the costs have gone up for this type of restoration since the Brooklyn Loew's was completed several years ago.

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Yeah - because I'm sure because they are both called "Loews" they have the exact same problem and need the exact same amount and type of work. Brilliant.


Exactly. The Brooklyn place had roof leaks for years and had s foot or so of sludge on the floor. It was virtually a gut-job. The JC Loews needs far less.

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Yeah - because I'm sure because they are both called "Loews" they have the exact same problem and need the exact same amount and type of work. Brilliant.

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Yeah, the cost of renovating two similar projects about 5 miles away from each other should be four or five to one. Got it!

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I'm talking about the Jersey City Loews - there have been studies that by the city and an independent firm that put the range between $20 million and $30 million to fully renovate the JC Loews. The cost of the Brooklyn renovation is irrelevant.

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I don't know why you keep wildly speculating on the cost of renovation (you've said "$75 million" and "almost $100 million") when there have been actual studies, made public, by people who actually know what they are talking about, that range between $20 million and $30 million.


The New York Times said 94 million for the Brooklyn renovation.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/07/nyr ... klyn-a-second-chance.html

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I don't know why you keep wildly speculating on the cost of renovation (you've said "$75 million" and "almost $100 million") when there have been actual studies, made public, by people who actually know what they are talking about, that range between $20 million and $30 million.

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Quite a bit of the Loew's funding came from JSQ developers, that Fulop illegally diverted away from the theater renovation fund. And he also diverted the county money towards projects he could control.

While I agree somewhat that a professional booking group get involved, the Friends group should end up with a dedicated (and substantial) number of dates per month/year for local programming and low cost movies that they could manage. Probably the best win/win situation for all.

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Fulop isn't paying anything one way or the other. We are all paying for whatever happens at Loews as citizens of Jersey City.

Separate politics from this situation and consider whether FoL is the right group to maximize the potential of the theater. If you think they are, then I have to respectfully disagree, but that disagreement has absolutely nothing to do with the mayor or politics. I'm sure it is fun for some to see Fulop "lose" this battle, but from where I'm standing, it looks like very few people in JC are winning.

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For an insight on how expensive these renovations will cost, FIOS Channel 525/NYCTV will repeat 'The Wonder Theaters' tonight at 8:30 which highlights the Brooklyn renovation.

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The city should pay to restore the Loew's and/or utilize legitimate and equitable public/private partnerships. But the first dollar should not go into that place until the day after the lease is up and the FOL are no longer the beneficiaries.

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Someone should let Ben know that, so he can cancel his upcoming national tour. https://www.benfolds.com/tour-dates

You aren't supporting your argument well at all. Kings Theatre has ticket prices published for all of their upcoming events. The vast majority of them have tickets that are within a range that I would consider reasonable for a night of entertainment in a beautiful theater setting. Across the board these events are bigger draws and are better attended than basically anything that happens at the Loews in Jersey City.

You may be upset that you overpaid for your CSN tickets, but that doesn't change the fact that many other events at Kings are well under $100. It also doesn't change the fact that CSN, Ben Folds, and any other performer that could sell over 800 tickets will never come to Jersey City because the Loews is a smelly, hot, old building, desperately in need of a complete refurbishment that isn't coming.

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Edit: CSN tickets from 2 years ago were under $100 as well. Seems like you must have purchased from StubHub or another secondary market retailer/scalper. Scalpers are a whole different issue. https://www.crosbystillsnash.com/crosby,-stills-and-nash-announce-spring-2015-tour-dates-in-a.html


Ticketmaster. But Ben Folds isn't CSN yes. But did you see the majority of the upcoming shows there? Ben Folds (and I like him) was the top act! In any case, I'm glad to see Fulop paying his fair share, as ordered by the courts. Whether this, or the reval, it seems like he stalls when faced with a decision he disagrees with. Screwing Loew's for years, then claiming the place is run down, is like the kid who kills his parents then asks for forgiveness because he's an orphan.

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Yeah, I don't really understand your argument. Why should the same bands cost less money here than they do at the Kings Theatre? Just like White Eagle Hall I would never expect to pay less, but be happy paying the same for the convenience of location.

You either spent a few extra $$'s and a lot of your time (1 hr each way on public trans) or a lot of extra $$'s on an Uber and a decent amount of time plus $$ on the tunnel if you drove yourself.

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Someone should let Ben know that, so he can cancel his upcoming national tour. https://www.benfolds.com/tour-dates

You aren't supporting your argument well at all. Kings Theatre has ticket prices published for all of their upcoming events. The vast majority of them have tickets that are within a range that I would consider reasonable for a night of entertainment in a beautiful theater setting. Across the board these events are bigger draws and are better attended than basically anything that happens at the Loews in Jersey City.

You may be upset that you overpaid for your CSN tickets, but that doesn't change the fact that many other events at Kings are well under $100. It also doesn't change the fact that CSN, Ben Folds, and any other performer that could sell over 800 tickets will never come to Jersey City because the Loews is a smelly, hot, old building, desperately in need of a complete refurbishment that isn't coming.

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Edit: CSN tickets from 2 years ago were under $100 as well. Seems like you must have purchased from StubHub or another secondary market retailer/scalper. Scalpers are a whole different issue. https://www.crosbystillsnash.com/crosby,-stills-and-nash-announce-spring-2015-tour-dates-in-a.html

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Ben Folds isn't a national touring act-when we went two years ago to see Crosby, Stills, and Nash the seats were around $140, and drinks in the lobby were very expensive. You're not going to recoup much money if you drop 75 million on a restoration and don't charge big time money for tickets.

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If the Loews Jersey City were restored like the Kings Theatre in Brooklyn, it would have ticket prices in line with what performers who can fill 3,000 seat venues tend to charge. What is wrong with that? I clicked on a few upcoming concerts at the Kings Theatre, and ticket prices ranged from $40 to over $80. That is the going rate for national touring acts, and I don't think only "downtown people" can afford those prices.

I am thankful that White Eagle Hall was beautifully and professionally restored and is now announcing shows with some well-regarded national acts and charging market rates for those shows. WEH is only around an 800 person capacity, though, so it can only bring smaller acts to Jersey City. It would be great if Loews could give our market a high quality 3,000 person venue, but it looks like that is never going to happen. That is unfortunate.

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Sigh. Jersey City. It could be something. But it isn't.



That sums it up all to well, unfortunately.


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As opposed to low-price schlock that virtually no one attends? I'll take the restoration. And you are being overly simplistic assigning an one-price-fits-all to things - some shows would be expensive, others (particularly community run events) would be much less so. You claim to be a free markets guy - what could be better than that?

The city never really understood what it was doing nor what it was up against. As a result, we'll be stuck in this nowhere for years to come - not enough money to properly restore and renovate (so no ability to book big acts and earn your way out of the hole) and people running the thing who believe it's their own little playhouse, either clueless or indifferent to what the broader public (i.e. taxpayers, who are subsidizing their clubhouse) want.

Sigh. Jersey City. It could be something. But it isn't.

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Having been to the Loew's Wonder Theater in Brooklyn, which did have a (almost $100 million restoration) if this was done in JSQ you'd be looking at ticket prices that only downtown people could afford.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01 ... lyn-photos_n_2536835.html

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Once they complete the remediation process the air should be much cleaner.

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There are some serious air quality issues which have to be resolved in the theatre. I attended the showing of 1984 a few months back and my breathing was impacted for days. I won't return until a complete overhaul takes place. It's just pathetic.

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I still don't see how this is better for Jersey City residents than the AEG deal that was blocked a few years ago. That deal would have led to $30 million in renovations and large national headlining acts coming to Jersey City. They were also set to have 40 community events annually.

Until Loews is fully renovated, promoters and artists will not be interested in making Jersey City a stop on their tours. Unless FOL and the city have a new plan to make that happen, I'm uninterested in whatever is going on at Loews. It is a waste of a beautiful old theatre to have nothing but sparsely attended local events and old films on the event schedule. I appreciate FOL for saving the theatre from demolition and keeping it alive to this point, but if Loews is ever going to reach its full potential, professionals will need to be involved.


Having been to the Loew's Wonder Theater in Brooklyn, which did have a (almost $100 million restoration) if this was done in JSQ you'd be looking at ticket prices that only downtown people could afford.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01 ... lyn-photos_n_2536835.html


From what I see the price of tickets are for the comedy shows in Loews Wonder Theater online the tickets aren't unreasonably expensive compared to what I pay to see the same type of show in Newark NJPAC. It's not like the crowd is mostly Downtown types over there either. People tend to be willing to pay more for events they feel are worth it even if they aren't making a ton of money.

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I still don't see how this is better for Jersey City residents than the AEG deal that was blocked a few years ago. That deal would have led to $30 million in renovations and large national headlining acts coming to Jersey City. They were also set to have 40 community events annually.

Until Loews is fully renovated, promoters and artists will not be interested in making Jersey City a stop on their tours. Unless FOL and the city have a new plan to make that happen, I'm uninterested in whatever is going on at Loews. It is a waste of a beautiful old theatre to have nothing but sparsely attended local events and old films on the event schedule. I appreciate FOL for saving the theatre from demolition and keeping it alive to this point, but if Loews is ever going to reach its full potential, professionals will need to be involved.


Having been to the Loew's Wonder Theater in Brooklyn, which did have a (almost $100 million restoration) if this was done in JSQ you'd be looking at ticket prices that only downtown people could afford.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01 ... lyn-photos_n_2536835.html

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I still don't see how this is better for Jersey City residents than the AEG deal that was blocked a few years ago. That deal would have led to $30 million in renovations and large national headlining acts coming to Jersey City. They were also set to have 40 community events annually.

Until Loews is fully renovated, promoters and artists will not be interested in making Jersey City a stop on their tours. Unless FOL and the city have a new plan to make that happen, I'm uninterested in whatever is going on at Loews. It is a waste of a beautiful old theatre to have nothing but sparsely attended local events and old films on the event schedule. I appreciate FOL for saving the theatre from demolition and keeping it alive to this point, but if Loews is ever going to reach its full potential, professionals will need to be involved.

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Well said!

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Friends of the Loew's IS a non-profit arts center organization. The difference between us and NJPAC or BergenPAC, for example, is that both entities have benefited from considerable support by their local governments (& in NJPAC's case, much state support as well).

But in the case of the Loew's, it's unfortunately a matter of record that Jersey City has just not provided the support it agreed to when FOL took the lease of the Theatre. That difference is huge, and it has meant that FOL can't operate the Loew's like any other arts center.

The City's failure to be supportive has been crippling, denying funding for important repairs specified in the lease as necessary before FOL can greatly increase programming, and more broadly has undercut FOL's credibility with private funders.

But hopefully, these problems are behind us. Since the first of the year, we've been working with the City to define a plan that will bring in major commercial shows -- as FOL has always said is necessary -- but within a structure that will allow FOL to pursue broader programming and ensure that some of the proceeds from the commercial shows will help support that programming.

Stay tuned as we continue to work towards this goal with the City.



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Hope one day it can be used for comedy shows so I don't have to go to Newark or NYC anymore, I can just stay in JC.

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Well, it is election so let's get rid of problems. He doesn't want Bill to use this against him.

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This is the right thing to do, finally. This gem should never be handed over entirely to a corporate entertainment monopoly. Rather it needs to be established a non-profit performing arts center akin to NJPAC or BergenPAC in its org structure. Get a real staff in there that will run it right and still partner with FOL (not saying they should be in total control). A PAC format would allow for profitable bookings yet still keep an arts and community focus also.


I would have preferred the for-profit bookings, to be honest. Dedicate 20 percent of time to local arts and the rest to some headline events, as long as it's being put to productive use, which is not true of the current situation. I'm happy FOL saved the building and we should always be in their debt, but is anyone really happy with how it's currently being operated?

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This is the right thing to do, finally. This gem should never be handed over entirely to a corporate entertainment monopoly. Rather it needs to be established a non-profit performing arts center akin to NJPAC or BergenPAC in its org structure. Get a real staff in there that will run it right and still partner with FOL (not saying they should be in total control). A PAC format would allow for profitable bookings yet still keep an arts and community focus also.

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JERSEY CITY – Mayor Steven M. Fulop announced today that the city of Jersey City is dropping its lawsuit against the Friends of the Loews, the non-profit organization that currently manages the historic Loews Theatre in Journal Square, as the administration and the non-profit work together toward the theater’s future.
riverviewobserver.net/2017/06/jersey-city-drops-lawsuit-friends-loews/

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