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Pretty soon, all the Newport commuters will have to ride the train back to Grove or JSQ in order to be able to board a train heading to NYC. While Grove does get crowded at times, I have never not been able to board a train there, but at Newport it is a different story. When all these new developments in JSQ finally get erected, the PATH trains leaving from there will be almost at capacity already.

Or god forbid they walk to Hoboken and take the PATH from there or take the empty WTC to Hoboken line and do the same. I agree, it's going to get ugly when all these building are fully occupied and people will have to get creative about getting to work.

bodhipooh wrote:
Pretty soon, all the Newport commuters will have to ride the train back to Grove or JSQ in order to be able to board a train heading to NYC. While Grove does get crowded at times, I have never not been able to board a train there, but at Newport it is a different story. When all these new developments in JSQ finally get erected, the PATH trains leaving from there will be almost at capacity already.

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800 residential rental units.... 100 parking spaces.

wtf, how can this be approved by the city. That area around JSQ is already a clusterfk mess for parking, and you going to 8:1 ratio for parking?

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800 residential rental units.... 100 parking spaces.

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How about the path have express trains straight to 33rd? I don't get why if most travelers are going to 33rd first have a train that leaves Newport express to 33rd and then another one that is local. Which would bring the cars back to NJ faster and pick up more people.

This again? This has been discussed and explained many times over in the past: you can not run some trains express because the system is a single rail line in either direction. So, express trains could not leapfrog trains ahead of it to achieve the "express trip" concept.

I disagree, the 8th street lightrail is a one track system and they have express service from Bayonne to Liberty State Park to Exchange Place DTJC during rush hour daily.

You can disagree all you want, but you would still be wrong. You can not compare the PATH, with a relatively short track system, to the light rail which has a track system that is much longer, with many more stops, but decidedly LESS FREQUENT service.

If you take a close look at the HBLR schedule, the Bayonne Flyer trains are scheduled to run about 10 minutes after a previous train departing from 8th St, and by the time they both reach the end, they are essentially within minutes of each other. This works on the HBLR because service is not as bunched up together, so trains get a head start (~10 minutes) and the Bayonne Flyer over slowly catches up to it. The less frenzied frequency of service is what makes all of this possible. At the height of morning rush hour, only 9 HBLR trains are leaving from stations in Bayonne. Compare that to Grove, where close to 25 trains, or more, will pass that station in any given hour of rush periods.

Are you suggesting that PATH run LESS TRAINS so a theoretical express line be able to catch up to a previous train?? Because you seem to be ignoring that when comparing the two systems, one has almost three times the amount of train traffic making stops as the HBLR station in Bayonne.

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How about the path have express trains straight to 33rd? I don't get why if most travelers are going to 33rd first have a train that leaves Newport express to 33rd and then another one that is local. Which would bring the cars back to NJ faster and pick up more people.

This again? This has been discussed and explained many times over in the past: you can not run some trains express because the system is a single rail line in either direction. So, express trains could not leapfrog trains ahead of it to achieve the "express trip" concept.

I disagree, the 8th street lightrail is a one track system and they have express service from Bayonne to Liberty State Park to Exchange Place DTJC during rush hour daily.

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How about the path have express trains straight to 33rd? I don't get why if most travelers are going to 33rd first have a train that leaves Newport express to 33rd and then another one that is local. Which would bring the cars back to NJ faster and pick up more people.

This again? This has been discussed and explained many times over in the past: you can not run some trains express because the system is a single rail line in either direction. So, express trains could not leapfrog trains ahead of it to achieve the "express trip" concept.

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bodhipooh wrote:
Pretty soon, all the Newport commuters will have to ride the train back to Grove or JSQ in order to be able to board a train heading to NYC. While Grove does get crowded at times, I have never not been able to board a train there, but at Newport it is a different story. When all these new developments in JSQ finally get erected, the PATH trains leaving from there will be almost at capacity already.

Or people can adjust their work schedules slightly. Between 9-930 am, Newport is fine.

Or Port Authority can increase capacity during peak times by running more trains per hour and switching to 10 car trains on the WTC line.

My personal preference would be to have rush hour pricing like in DC and LIRR, thereby creating a financial incentive for commuters to leave slightly earlier or slightly later to avoid the crunch.

WTC is already 10 cars. It's 33rd that's limited to 9, because the platforms in Manhattan aren't long enough.

It's SEVEN cars, not nine.

The WTC trains do not run with 10 cars, either. They can't do so yet because Grove is not yet long enough.

Og_jerseycity wrote:
How about the path have express trains straight to 33rd? I don't get why if most travelers are going to 33rd first have a train that leaves Newport express to 33rd and then another one that is local. Which would bring the cars back to NJ faster and pick up more people.

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Pretty soon, all the Newport commuters will have to ride the train back to Grove or JSQ in order to be able to board a train heading to NYC. While Grove does get crowded at times, I have never not been able to board a train there, but at Newport it is a different story. When all these new developments in JSQ finally get erected, the PATH trains leaving from there will be almost at capacity already.

Or people can adjust their work schedules slightly. Between 9-930 am, Newport is fine.

Or Port Authority can increase capacity during peak times by running more trains per hour and switching to 10 car trains on the WTC line.

My personal preference would be to have rush hour pricing like in DC and LIRR, thereby creating a financial incentive for commuters to leave slightly earlier or slightly later to avoid the crunch.

WTC is already 10 cars. It's 33rd that's limited to 9, because the platforms in Manhattan aren't long enough.

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How about the path have express trains straight to 33rd? I don't get why if most travelers are going to 33rd first have a train that leaves Newport express to 33rd and then another one that is local. Which would bring the cars back to NJ faster and pick up more people.

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bodhipooh wrote:
Pretty soon, all the Newport commuters will have to ride the train back to Grove or JSQ in order to be able to board a train heading to NYC. While Grove does get crowded at times, I have never not been able to board a train there, but at Newport it is a different story. When all these new developments in JSQ finally get erected, the PATH trains leaving from there will be almost at capacity already.

Or people can adjust their work schedules slightly. Between 9-930 am, Newport is fine.

Or Port Authority can increase capacity during peak times by running more trains per hour and switching to 10 car trains on the WTC line.

My personal preference would be to have rush hour pricing like in DC and LIRR, thereby creating a financial incentive for commuters to leave slightly earlier or slightly later to avoid the crunch.

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bodhipooh wrote:
Pretty soon, all the Newport commuters will have to ride the train back to Grove or JSQ in order to be able to board a train heading to NYC. While Grove does get crowded at times, I have never not been able to board a train there, but at Newport it is a different story. When all these new developments in JSQ finally get erected, the PATH trains leaving from there will be almost at capacity already.

Or people can adjust their work schedules slightly. Between 9-930 am, Newport is fine.

bodhipooh wrote:
Pretty soon, all the Newport commuters will have to ride the train back to Grove or JSQ in order to be able to board a train heading to NYC. While Grove does get crowded at times, I have never not been able to board a train there, but at Newport it is a different story. When all these new developments in JSQ finally get erected, the PATH trains leaving from there will be almost at capacity already.

Azul_the_Cat wrote:
Is Jersey City in a race with countries like S.Korea to have the highest population density? I'm glad we have a modern mass transit system and city infrastructure that is second to none...oh wait.