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sanders is a nutcase with no sense of reality

clinton/kasich is the same politician who will do exactly zero for this country in the next 4 years

cruz is shady, he's the most dishonest. It's all a show to win, he doesnt care about any principals. He also tried to shutdown the government (bring down the country) for selfish gains, and luckily backfired.

rubio is a little kid, he should not do the 180 and start attacking trump with stupid sht like small hands. It just makes him look even weaker.

trump is chaos, if he wins there will be chaos, maybe that is good but most likely very dangerous.

Summary - all of them are horrible.

Bloomberg needs to run, he's the only one with the brain, seriousness, and integrity to actually do something good for the country. He ran nyc like a machine - efficient and effective, did tons of good.

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Nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing GOP fight itself. Go self destruct, evil racist party. I cannot care less.

of course, rubio and cruz said they would support trump if he is the nominee. if the gop tries to broker a candidate, who do you think it will be? cruz or kasich?

Cruz is hated by everyone. He's often called "the most hated man in Washington" for a reason. Kasich is Bush without the Bush name and he's a guy they would rally behind. Rubio is the alternative that could win, but I don't see them giving him the nod now. Maybe in four years they will....

If it is a brokered convention I wouldn't be surprised if the party elites try to nominate a dark horse, someone who is not currently involved in this election debacle. They hate Trump and Cruz, they don't feel "little" Marco is ready for prime time.

couldn't trump just give his delegates to cruz as a big FU to the gop if he wins the most delegates and is not chosen?

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Atsushi wrote:
Nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing GOP fight itself. Go self destruct, evil racist party. I cannot care less.

of course, rubio and cruz said they would support trump if he is the nominee. if the gop tries to broker a candidate, who do you think it will be? cruz or kasich?

Cruz is hated by everyone. He's often called "the most hated man in Washington" for a reason. Kasich is Bush without the Bush name and he's a guy they would rally behind. Rubio is the alternative that could win, but I don't see them giving him the nod now. Maybe in four years they will....

If it is a brokered convention I wouldn't be surprised if the party elites try to nominate a dark horse, someone who is not currently involved in this election debacle. They hate Trump and Cruz, they don't feel "little" Marco is ready for prime time.

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Nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing GOP fight itself. Go self destruct, evil racist party. I cannot care less.

of course, rubio and cruz said they would support trump if he is the nominee. if the gop tries to broker a candidate, who do you think it will be? cruz or kasich?

Cruz is hated by everyone. He's often called "the most hated man in Washington" for a reason. Kasich is Bush without the Bush name and he's a guy they would rally behind. Rubio is the alternative that could win, but I don't see them giving him the nod now. Maybe in four years they will....

If it is a brokered convention I wouldn't be surprised if the party elites try to nominate a dark horse, someone who is not currently involved in this election debacle. They hate Trump and Cruz, they don't feel "little" Marco is ready for prime time.

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Atsushi wrote:
Nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing GOP fight itself. Go self destruct, evil racist party. I cannot care less.

of course, rubio and cruz said they would support trump if he is the nominee. if the gop tries to broker a candidate, who do you think it will be? cruz or kasich?

Cruz is hated by everyone. He's often called "the most hated man in Washington" for a reason. Kasich is Bush without the Bush name and he's a guy they would rally behind. Rubio is the alternative that could win, but I don't see them giving him the nod now. Maybe in four years they will....

It was a striking moment. Rubio, Cruz, and to a lesser extent Kasich, had just spent the previous two hours ? indeed, much of the last several months ? making clear that they don?t want to see Trump anywhere near the Oval Office.

In fact, the Republican frontrunner?s rivals are in need of a thesaurus after nearly running out of attacks. We?ve been told that Trump?s a ?con man,? a ?fraud,? and a ?lunatic,? who?s ?unqualified? and ?unfit? to lead.

And yet, when push comes to shove, Trump has an ?R? after his name ? and for the Republican presidential field, that?s ultimately all that matters. If voting for the Republican nominee means making an actual ?lunatic? the leader of the free world, according to the GOP?s 2016 field, so be it.

During last night?s debate, Fox News? Chris Wallace pressed Donald Trump to explain why the candidate believes his economic plan is fiscally responsible. It offered a rare sight: real-time fact checking during the debate itself.

WALLACE: Mr. Trump, your proposed tax cut would add $10 trillion to the nation?s debt over 10 years, even if the economy grows the way that you say it will. You insist that you could make up for a good deal of that, you say, by cutting waste, fraud, and abuse.

TRUMP: Correct.

WALLACE: Like what? And please be specific.

TRUMP: Department of Education. We?re cutting Common Core. We?re getting rid of Common Core. We?re bringing education locally. Department of Environmental Protection. We are going to get rid are of it in almost every form. We?re going to have little tidbits left but we?re going to take a tremendous amount out. We have various other things. If you look at the IRS, if you look at every single agency, we can cut it down, and I mean really cut it down and save. The waste, fraud, and abuse is massive.

Now, ?waste, fraud, and abuse? has become a tiresome cliche for precisely the reason viewers saw last night: it?s a shallow phrase used a little too often by lazy candidates who don?t know what they?re talking about.

And in this case, Wallace expected the exact answer Trump delivered, so the co-moderator put on screen charts that proved the candidate?s proposed cuts wouldn?t cover nearly enough. ?Your numbers don?t add up,? Wallace said ? twice.

Trump, scrambling, said he intends to save taxpayers ?hundreds of billions of dollars? by negotiating with pharmaceutical companies through the Medicare system. Wallace, again anticipating the answer, pointed to more evidence that showed the savings Trump imagines simply don?t exist in the real world federal budget.

It was, to be sure, a difficult moment for the Republican frontrunner. It?s hard to know whether GOP voters care about such things, but the back and forth between Trump and Wallace exposed the simple fact that Trump?s numbers don?t add up ? and he can?t explain why.

But there?s one thing debate viewers may not have realized: Trump?s rivals are in the exact same boat.

Marco Rubio, for example, has said he can slash taxes on the wealthy by trillions of dollars, increase military spending, not touch social-insurance programs like Medicare for current seniors, and balance the budget. For those who take arithmetic seriously, that?s insane. Ted Cruz?s plan is every bit as absurd.

The debate put Trump on the spot ? given his frontrunner status, maybe he deserves additional scrutiny ? but if the audience came away with the idea that Trump?s plan was somehow unique in its fiscal irresponsibility, that?s unfortunate.

Paul Krugman added this morning, ?[Y]ou have to wonder why, exactly, the Republican establishment is really so horrified by Mr. Trump. Yes, he?s a con man, but they all are. So why is this con job different from any other??

Something similar came into focus yesterday, during Mitt Romney?s condemnation of Trump?s candidacy. The failed former candidate took aim at the GOP frontrunner yesterday and argued, among other things, ?His tax plan, in combination with his refusal to reform entitlements and to honestly address spending would balloon the deficit and the national debt.?

What Romney didn?t mention is that Trump?s plan ? on taxes, entitlements, and spending ? is actually very similar to the plan Rubio and Cruz have put forward. It?s also, incidentally, very much in line with the Romney/Ryan platform from four years ago.

We?ll explore this in more detail in the weeks ahead, but one of the great ironies of the Republican Party?s crackup is that the various factions agree on an awful lot. There are differences over tactics, tone, and personalities, but for a party that?s coming unglued, it?s amusing to appreciate the fact that the contingents really aren?t that different.

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Nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing GOP fight itself. Go self destruct, evil racist party. I cannot care less.

of course, rubio and cruz said they would support trump if he is the nominee. if the gop tries to broker a candidate, who do you think it will be? cruz or kasich?

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Nothing gives me more satisfaction than seeing GOP fight itself. Go self destruct, evil racist party. I cannot care less.

hero69 wrote:
lol. romney is calling trump a phony, fraud BUT romney was happy when brilliant trump endorsed him in 2008!

SOS wrote:
Christie enjoying his new job as Trump's bitch...

drifterx wrote:
Political prostitution at its finest.

'Hey Donald, have you ever been with a fat man?' - CC

And then that Sansa Stark moment when Christie knew he's fucked.

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You don't get millions in donations by just getting $5 from mom and pop.

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I knew JCMan8 wasn't smart but this is beyond absurd.

Drumpf is taking donations. He has every intention of cashing in on those donations. He's not self-funding. He borrowed from himself and will pay that money back. It's a scam.

I know this may be hard to believe for those who get their political views from liberal comedians, but Trump is effectively self funding. He's taking donations only from average people and not Super PACs or big corporations. You know, the same people who bought Hillary.

When a large corporate donor makes a "contribution," they expect to receive a return on this investment. Usually they do, at the expense of the American people.

In contrast, when Average Joe sends Trump $50, there's no special interest involved. The real money funding Trump's campaign comes from Trump's own pocketbook.

The donor class cannot stand the thought of losing the power they currently have and I expect to see them fall behind Hillary (even the "Republicans"), if Cruz can't knock Trump off.

Here are Trump's donations from corps/Super PACs. He's hardly self-funded.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/con ... 0023864&cycle=2016&type=f

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I knew JCMan8 wasn't smart but this is beyond absurd.

Drumpf is taking donations. He has every intention of cashing in on those donations. He's not self-funding. He borrowed from himself and will pay that money back. It's a scam.

I know this may be hard to believe for those who get their political views from liberal comedians, but Trump is effectively self funding. He's taking donations only from average people and not Super PACs or big corporations. You know, the same people who bought Hillary.

When a large corporate donor makes a "contribution," they expect to receive a return on this investment. Usually they do, at the expense of the American people.

In contrast, when Average Joe sends Trump $50, there's no special interest involved. The real money funding Trump's campaign comes from Trump's own pocketbook.

The donor class cannot stand the thought of losing the power they currently have and I expect to see them fall behind Hillary (even the "Republicans"), if Cruz can't knock Trump off.

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I knew JCMan8 wasn't smart but this is beyond absurd.

Drumpf is taking donations. He has every intention of cashing in on those donations. He's not self-funding. He borrowed from himself and will pay that money back. It's a scam.

I know this may be hard to believe for those who get their political views from liberal comedians, but Trump is effectively self funding. He's taking donations only from average people and not Super PACs or big corporations. You know, the same people who bought Hillary.

When a large corporate donor makes a "contribution," they expect to receive a return on this investment. Usually they do, at the expense of the American people.

In contrast, when Average Joe sends Trump $50, there's no special interest involved. The real money funding Trump's campaign comes from Trump's own pocketbook.

The donor class cannot stand the thought of losing the power they currently have and I expect to see them fall behind Hillary (even the "Republicans"), if Cruz can't knock Trump off.

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I knew JCMan8 wasn't smart but this is beyond absurd.

Drumpf is taking donations. He has every intention of cashing in on those donations. He's not self-funding. He borrowed from himself and will pay that money back. It's a scam.

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When you have Mitt Romney calling you out on your tax returns, I think Trump knows it is already beyond a 'rupture' for the GOP. I think they are now hoping for a 'rapture.'

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It sure looks like CC is a political dead man walking in NJ from here on. The NJ GOP are not the kind supporting Trump. Kinda sad to peak so early in his career, he's only 53 and Trump is not going to win the White House. Wonder if he'll pull a Palin and resign to pursue "greener" pastures while he still has name recognition. Fox News?

Can't speak for the NJ GOP elite, but Trump is wildly popular among NJ GOP voters. Completely crushes in the polls.

I thought his support was low among college educated non-evangelicals. I guess the NJ GOP is stupider than I thought.

Big difference between the lies spouted by the mass media and reality. His support is high among all demographics.