stillinjc wrote:
Simple: secede the part east of the Turnpike extension and call it Newport, NJ. Then there will truly be two cities, without pretending.

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JCMan8 wrote:

Guiliani was only able to do what he did because liberals had more common sense back then. They recognized that cleaning up the neighborhood was paramount, and would inure to everyone's benefit.

Today liberals have gone off the deep end, and are completely batshit crazy. Perhaps it is only a minority who feel this way, but they are a very vocal minority, and have been driving policy for "progressives." They'd scream about Guiliani's tactics as being impermissible "profiling," and violating the rights of the criminals. And in fact, you hear much talk in "progressive" circles how Guiliani's broken windows approach was flawed, and revisionist history of how it doesn't actually work.

They'd use the national media to their advantage, as they have been doing, and would scream from the rooftops about how "racist" Guiliani was. Just like we have seen in other incidents such as Ferguson, they would have no concern for the hard working business owners or local homeowners (Ferguson home prices have plummeted over 50% since their race riots), these liberals would reserve all their outrage for the treatment of low lives and degenerates.

In short, Guiliani could not do what he did in today's political climate. The "eggs" you speak of have simply gotten too powerful to be "broken." So the liberals have won the ideological battle for now and this is what it looks like. Be happy with it.

It's a real shame that us reasonable people in the middle have to deal with the completely batshit people who care more about the lives of criminals than the lives of police officers on one side, and the completely batshit people who think that their imaginary invisible friend tells them that they will burn in eternal fire if they don't force women to carry rape fetuses to term on the other.

It's a big part of why I stopped giving a shit about politics, that's for sure.

user1111 wrote:
Yes! Giuliani did why can't Mr I want to be mayor without doing much?

JCMan8 wrote:

Guiliani was only able to do what he did because liberals had more common sense back then. They recognized that cleaning up the neighborhood was paramount, and would inure to everyone's benefit.

Today liberals have gone off the deep end, and are completely batshit crazy. Perhaps it is only a minority who feel this way, but they are a very vocal minority, and have been driving policy for "progressives." They'd scream about Guiliani's tactics as being impermissible "profiling," and violating the rights of the criminals. And in fact, you hear much talk in "progressive" circles how Guiliani's broken windows approach was flawed, and revisionist history of how it doesn't actually work.

They'd use the national media to their advantage, as they have been doing, and would scream from the rooftops about how "racist" Guiliani was. Just like we have seen in other incidents such as Ferguson, they would have no concern for the hard working business owners or local homeowners (Ferguson home prices have plummeted over 50% since their race riots), these liberals would reserve all their outrage for the treatment of low lives and degenerates.

In short, Guiliani could not do what he did in today's political climate. The "eggs" you speak of have simply gotten too powerful to be "broken." So the liberals have won the ideological battle for now and this is what it looks like. Be happy with it.

JCMan8 wrote:

Today liberals have gone off the deep end, and are completely batshit crazy.

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thor800 wrote:
Can the mayor of a city really solve these things ?

Yes! Giuliani did why can't Mr I want to be mayor without doing much?

Are you in favor of the Rudy approach? Because we can certainly do that. Crime will drop and prisons will be full for sure while livability will increase. The main obstacle is the cost of imprisoning a significant percentage or our poor neighborhoods combined with the inevitable outcry from liberals about who is going to be arrested. But I'm game if you are.

I lived in NYC (Upper West Side/Manhattan Valley area) during Guiliani's administration, and his - and the city's - success was because he started with a radical premise - which was to start by making the city safer and more attractive to the middle class, business, and those with something (usually, money to invest) to contribute. Part of that was his policing strategy, a/k/a "broken windows" approach. Once that took, the benefits would spread more widely, like ripples in a pond, to other areas and residents. Guiliani was widely criticized for alienating poor minority neighborhoods, although these neighborhoods benefited tremendously from a disproportionate drop in crime, and many of the older established black homeowners saw the value of their homes soar, and their hard-earned retirements given new life.

What Fulop can do is reach out and partner with everyone he can to make other neighborhoods in JC more attractive to investment, to draw more of the creativity, residential and business development from DTJC to these neighborhoods. IMO this means first and foremost a commitment to 24/7 mass transit, to get a diverse "creative class" interested; the reval; as well as a zero tolerance for the urban pathologies that destroy these neighborhoods.

In short, Guiliani did what he did because he wasn't afraid to break some eggs in making his version of the urban omelette. Fulop, alas shows no sign of that.

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thor800 wrote:
Can the mayor of a city really solve these things ?

Yes! Giuliani did why can't Mr I want to be mayor without doing much?

Are you in favor of the Rudy approach? Because we can certainly do that. Crime will drop and prisons will be full for sure while livability will increase. The main obstacle is the cost of imprisoning a significant percentage or our poor neighborhoods combined with the inevitable outcry from liberals about who is going to be arrested. But I'm game if you are.

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thor800 wrote:
Can the mayor of a city really solve these things ?

Yes! Giuliani did why can't Mr I want to be mayor without doing much?

thor800 wrote:
Can the mayor of a city really solve these things ?