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I never blamed Wilson for the reports about the fractured eye, just as I don?t blame Brown for the initial reports that his hands were up or the statements saying ?don?t shoot.? From all the accounts of the grand jury, those testimonies were not used.

They were "used" and found to be not credible.

It was revealed that several witnesses testified before the grand jury that Brown put his arms up to surrender. However none of these witnesses said this to police when they were first interviewed. These witnesses then admitted to the grand jury that many of them were actually not present for the shooting and simply repeated what others heard or what they assumed happened.

In other words, they admitted lying. Other witnesses lied by saying Brown was shot in the back. This is why, objectively, these witnesses were not credible. Meanwhile, seven independent credible black witnesses gave testimony supporting Officer Wilson.

The fact is that Brown was a violent criminal. The fact is that all agreed he fought with the police. The autopsy proved that Brown's initial gunshot wound was at close range, which combined with the testimony from several witnesses, was enough to establish that Brown tried grabbing Officer Wilson's gun.

This violent scumbag is the very last person who should be considered a martyr. Racism, people only supporting him because of the color of his skin, is the only reason he has any support.

Wishful_Thinking wrote:
I can't help but think the meme thats been getting a lot of press in business circles - "culture eats strategy for breakfast". Except that in America, today, as lived in by diverse citizens, it's "narrative eats strategy for breakfast". And lunch. And high tea and dinner, as well.

Each community affected has such a different narrative about what happened in Ferguson, the state of race relations, who is to be valued and why, etc., that common ground will be very hard to find. One thing I, as a progressive/liberal/whatever person, can honestly say I regret is how narrative paradigm has replaced a rational world paradigm for solving social problems.

That said, I'm game to be part of the solution. What is happening here in JC to move past the status-quo?

Pebble wrote:

I never blamed Wilson for the reports about the fractured eye, just as I don?t blame Brown for the initial reports that his hands were up or the statements saying ?don?t shoot.? From all the accounts of the grand jury, those testimonies were not used.

Monroe wrote:
You can't blame Wilson for reports that falsely claimed he had a fractured orbit, nor the initial confusion about whether he knew of the robbery and assault at the convenience store when spotting Brown walking in the middle of the road.

But virtually all the credible witnesses disproved several of the initial incendiary untruths, chief among them that Brown was shot in the back (the three autopsies, including the one commissioned by his family, disproved that) or that he had his hands in the air and was yelling 'don't shoot'. In fact, the strongest witness was a black man who stated he heard Officer Wilson shouting 'stop' several times while Brown was advancing on him.

Finally, when the heretofore closeted information of Brown's previous criminal history (shielded because he was under 18 and a minor) we'll know more about his background and character. I won't link to any of the news reports, as they're not official yet, but two felony accusations and a weapons offense are said to be among his past.

And yes, his death was a tragedy for him, his family, Officer Wilson and his family, and the innocents of Ferguson-including those who've lost their life savings in the lootings.

But if you have to apportion blame on this, put it on Brown.

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Mike Brown committed a crime and much of his subsequent actions are in the category of antisocial as well as criminal. At the same time, Officer Wilson demonstrated some poor decisions that assisted in the escalation of the situation to the point where a kid ended up dead. There is nothing positive in this situation. It is only sad.

what do you mean? the cop saw a dude walking in the middle of the street matching the description of a suspect who robbed the store. He pulls up to arrest him, the guy tells him to f*** off and he's too much a p***** to make the arrest. Cop draws the gun and warns to stand down or he will fire, the guy grabs the top of the barrel trying to wrestle the gun away. Cop eventually shots him after 2 failed attempt to fire, then radios backup for shots fired.

Everything is by the book, i see absolutely nothing wrong with what the cop did.

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Mike Brown committed a crime and much of his subsequent actions are in the category of antisocial as well as criminal. At the same time, Officer Wilson demonstrated some poor decisions that assisted in the escalation of the situation to the point where a kid ended up dead. There is nothing positive in this situation. It is only sad.

JCMan8 wrote:
All of the evidence proved that the 6'4" 300 pound Mike Brown robbed the store, attacked the cop, and tried to take his gun. Behavior that does warrant the use of lethal self-defense.

caj11 wrote:
It's always interesting that when I point out about people looting and destroying the various small businesses in Ferguson (some of them African American-owned), which had NOTHING to do with the death of Michael Brown or the grand jury decision, the Michael Brown supporters (which there have been on this thread) have NOTHING to say about it.

user1111 wrote:
She said a mouth full...


https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10205247342493103

caj11 wrote:
Many of the businesses that were damaged, looted or destroyed last night were owned by African Americans. Does that serve as justice for the people angry with the grand jury decision?

NONE of the businesses damaged, looted or destroyed had ANYTHING to do with the grand jury decision. The Ferguson police had nothing to do with the decision either. The grand jury, selected from the community, made the decision.

Now there are many businesses in Ferguson which are closed forever. Some are mom & pop, African American owned. We're not just talking about Walmart here. Ferguson will just turn into a wasteland where no person in their right mind would open up a retail business and there will be no place to buy things like groceries and other basic needs.

But hey, damaging, looting and destroying businesses made people feel better for one night.

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?Michael Brown's stepfather consoled the dead teen's distraught mother after Monday's controversial grand jury announcement and then turned to the crowd of demonstrators, saying, "Burn this motherf---er down" and "Burn this bitch down," according to a New York Times video.?

Does anyone know if Brown?s stepfather was arrested for inciting a riot?

I'd guess not.

Privilege is being able to loot while talking heads apologize and make excuses for you.

neverleft wrote:
?Michael Brown's stepfather consoled the dead teen's distraught mother after Monday's controversial grand jury announcement and then turned to the crowd of demonstrators, saying, "Burn this motherf---er down" and "Burn this bitch down," according to a New York Times video.?

Does anyone know if Brown?s stepfather was arrested for inciting a riot?

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Small group rallies in Jersey City for justice in Ferguson, Mo. - Jersey Journal

A rally for justice, spurred on by the events in Ferguson, Mo., was overshadowed by the promise of free turkeys this afternoon on Martin Luther King Drive in Jersey City.

The North Jersey chapter of the National Action Network held a rally to protest the grand jury?s decision not to indict Police Officer Darren Wilson in the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Less than 10 people participated in the rally, but they made sure that the hundreds of people lined up for free Thanksgiving meals across the street heard their message.

?We?re standing for people who can?t stand for themselves,? said Kenyaetta Williams, 45, of Jersey City.

?I expected it,? Williams said of the grand jury?s decision. ?But I also expected more people out here today,? she said. ?All the turkeys are giving out turkeys,? she said.

Jersey Journal - Story & Photos

?All the turkeys are giving out turkeys,?

Nice thing to say about people who are volunteering their time to help the needy, just happened to be police officers and who had NOTHING to do with the events in Ferguson. Would she rather that people don't eat on Thanksgiving?

I wonder if she had a protest for the senseless killing of that cop this past summer.

What an idiotic thing to say.

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Small group rallies in Jersey City for justice in Ferguson, Mo. - Jersey Journal

A rally for justice, spurred on by the events in Ferguson, Mo., was overshadowed by the promise of free turkeys this afternoon on Martin Luther King Drive in Jersey City.

The North Jersey chapter of the National Action Network held a rally to protest the grand jury?s decision not to indict Police Officer Darren Wilson in the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Less than 10 people participated in the rally, but they made sure that the hundreds of people lined up for free Thanksgiving meals across the street heard their message.

?We?re standing for people who can?t stand for themselves,? said Kenyaetta Williams, 45, of Jersey City.

?I expected it,? Williams said of the grand jury?s decision. ?But I also expected more people out here today,? she said. ?All the turkeys are giving out turkeys,? she said.

Jersey Journal - Story & Photos

?All the turkeys are giving out turkeys,?

Nice thing to say about people who are volunteering their time to help the needy, just happened to be police officers and who had NOTHING to do with the events in Ferguson. Would she rather that people don't eat on Thanksgiving?

I wonder if she had a protest for the senseless killing of that cop this past summer.

What an idiotic thing to say.

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jerseymom wrote:
Small group rallies in Jersey City for justice in Ferguson, Mo. - Jersey Journal

A rally for justice, spurred on by the events in Ferguson, Mo., was overshadowed by the promise of free turkeys this afternoon on Martin Luther King Drive in Jersey City.

The North Jersey chapter of the National Action Network held a rally to protest the grand jury?s decision not to indict Police Officer Darren Wilson in the death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. Less than 10 people participated in the rally, but they made sure that the hundreds of people lined up for free Thanksgiving meals across the street heard their message.

?We?re standing for people who can?t stand for themselves,? said Kenyaetta Williams, 45, of Jersey City.

?I expected it,? Williams said of the grand jury?s decision. ?But I also expected more people out here today,? she said. ?All the turkeys are giving out turkeys,? she said.

Jersey Journal - Story & Photos

?All the turkeys are giving out turkeys,?

Nice thing to say about people who are volunteering their time to help the needy, just happened to be police officers and who had NOTHING to do with the events in Ferguson. Would she rather that people don't eat on Thanksgiving?

I wonder if she had a protest for the senseless killing of that cop this past summer.

MDM wrote:
This woman had her cake shop destroyed by the looters:

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Natalie ... /274915157402?sk=timeline


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