Greenvillelifer wrote:
Please re read the first paragraph.

stillinjc wrote: >>The trains that rumble from the Harlem River rail yard in the South Bronx are sealed tight, but there is no mistaking what lies inside them. The stench gives it away. The trains, some a mile long, are filled with garbage. The railcars are part of an armada that performs a nearly constant exodus of waste from the nation?s largest city.<< People who believe that the containers will keep the stench in are deluded.

Greenvillelifer wrote: Please re read the first paragraph.

Greenvillelifer wrote:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/8550386/ns/ ... rural-areas/#.VD2td-fY3fd

donnajc65 wrote:
"The expansion of Greenville Yards will remove 800,000 tons of waste currently driven through Jersey City streets. It will instead be transported in sealed containers of barge-to-rail, never entering the Jersey City community, the city said in a press release."

This is not true and another great stretch from the Mayor. The trash is New York City trash, not Jersey City's. We are not putting our trash in sealed containers and sending it out by rail. That is not part on this deal. Our trash is still being trucked out of the city. When they say they are getting 800,000 tons off the street, they are referring to NY trash that is presently being trucked out of the city and may hit JC roads, althought that is highly unlikely. This was put on a fast track and none of these questions have been answered. We spend more time of a zoning variance than we did on this important issue!! I don't understand why more people in the Heights and Downtown are not standing with the residents of Greenville on this issue.

fat-ass-bike wrote:

No doubt you will have spillage when filling the containers, thus a thorough cleaning of containers / barge / train before departure will be required ... or so we hope!

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BTW - let me bring up another potential problem. Rodent infestation on the container storage site. I am sure Tropicana will be thrilled about that. Rodent droppings in your morning glass of OJ, anybody?

If the containers are sealed why would the rats be around if the trash is not accessible to them?

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BTW - let me bring up another potential problem. Rodent infestation on the container storage site. I am sure Tropicana will be thrilled about that. Rodent droppings in your morning glass of OJ, anybody?

If the containers are sealed why would the rats be around if the trash is not accessible to them?

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BTW - let me bring up another potential problem. Rodent infestation on the container storage site. I am sure Tropicana will be thrilled about that. Rodent droppings in your morning glass of OJ, anybody?

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Who writes about an environmental disaster? You love putting words in people's mouths, don't you? Doing exactly the same thing you accuse Yvonne of doing. Geez. Address my point, which is:

even with the available data, if your house is 30 feet from the tracks, if the train is halted, there will be stink. There might be stink even if the train goes slowly in summer. That is the BEST available scenario. That is also based on DATA. The study specifically says that the nearest homes are 350 feet from the containers. In Jersey City it is more like 30 feet. Who is factual now?

You're taking this very personally. What words did I put in your mouth other than rephrasing your insistence that the sealed containers will fail? You have no actual evidence that they will, to counter the engineers who designed them not to and the engineers who conducted the CA study that says they don't. BTW there are exactly 4 buildings on Catherine Ct and Garfield that are about 60 ft away, everything else on the 0.4 mi of the close to residents part of the route is more than 100 ft.

And yes, reporters write about environmental disasters all the time, except perhaps on Fox News etc. I read about the air in Bejing and the deadly mines in Latin America. It's not outlandish to think southern californians whose homes were inundated with garbage stink might make the news too.

dtjcview wrote:
Do we know the route these trains will take? There are some pretty smelly trains already that pass alongside the turnpike then up through the heights. Is it really just a Greenville issue?

stillinjc wrote:
Who writes about an environmental disaster? You love putting words in people's mouths, don't you? Doing exactly the same thing you accuse Yvonne of doing. Geez. Address my point, which is:

even with the available data, if your house is 30 feet from the tracks, if the train is halted, there will be stink. There might be stink even if the train goes slowly in summer. That is the BEST available scenario. That is also based on DATA. The study specifically says that the nearest homes are 350 feet from the containers. In Jersey City it is more like 30 feet. Who is factual now?

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fat-ass-bike wrote:
In layman terms 'closed' could include a net or piece of pvc tarp simply placed over the top to prevent debris flying out during the commute and 'sealed' meaning nothing coming out; which includes odors or air !

Exactly. Could you imagine the fuss if someone proposed there be large containers of noxiously smelling, poisonous and incredibly flammable liquids placed all over our city? They're called automobile gas tanks, and they don't spontaneously leak and explode all the time, because they've been engineered not to.

Great comparison, Brewster. Really. You are a master of irrelevant comparisons. Until the trash hauler does a biennial inspection of their seals for gas retention on all their containers the way the DMV does on the gas tanks, your comparison is worth shit.

I point out ubiquitous successful engineering, and you insist on speculation that this simple engineering "might" fail with no data to back you up. At least mine is factual.

That study is 6 years old. Was there an environmental disaster in LA when the inevitable failure you predict took place? Apparently not. And the study says the system has been in place in the Pacific Northwest for some time. This is not brand new technology. Even the successful test containers were not brand new, they are noticeably dented.

And the DMV doesn't check anything anymore except emissions. Not even taillights.

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In layman terms 'closed' could include a net or piece of pvc tarp simply placed over the top to prevent debris flying out during the commute and 'sealed' meaning nothing coming out; which includes odors or air !

Exactly. Could you imagine the fuss if someone proposed there be large containers of noxiously smelling, poisonous and incredibly flammable liquids placed all over our city? They're called automobile gas tanks, and they don't spontaneously leak and explode all the time, because they've been engineered not to.

Great comparison, Brewster. Really. You are a master of irrelevant comparisons. Until the trash hauler does a biennial inspection of their seals for gas retention on all their containers the way the DMV does on the gas tanks, your comparison is worth shit.

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In layman terms 'closed' could include a net or piece of pvc tarp simply placed over the top to prevent debris flying out during the commute and 'sealed' meaning nothing coming out; which includes odors or air !

Exactly. Could you imagine the fuss if someone proposed there be large containers of noxiously smelling, poisonous and incredibly flammable liquids placed all over our city? They're called automobile gas tanks, and they don't spontaneously leak and explode all the time, because they've been engineered not to.

moobycow wrote:
Here is a California study on similar containers.

Potential for Odor and Gas Generation
due to the Transport of Municipal Solid Waste
in Sealed Containers

http://www.lacsd.org/civica/filebank/blobdload.asp?BlobID=3941

Conclusion:

Odor levels in the interior of the containers were in 1,500-44,000 D/T. Odor levels just outside of the container were typically in the 20-50 D/T range and generally indistinguishable from ambient air samples. Thus, the container seals are an effective odor control measure;

? The monitoring data confirmed that odors dissipate and are not detectable beyond 15 feet from the container;

fat-ass-bike wrote:
In layman terms 'closed' could include a net or piece of pvc tarp simply placed over the top to prevent debris flying out during the commute and 'sealed' meaning nothing coming out; which includes odors or air !