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devilsadvocate wrote:
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When I read stuff like this I start to think that dialogue is utterly pointless because people who think this way just cannot be reasoned with. The only solution is to advocate for martial law, put down the riots with all force necessary, and ignore the people that will always blame white people no matter what. They are true racists and you cannot reason with a true racist.

No, it's because you are incapable of arguing, only attacking and obfuscating and advocating more violence.

What is there to argue when the response to the facts presented is "this is because of white supremacists!" - a group that isn't remotely involved here?...

You are so dumb it hurts to even contemplate what it must be like to have read that article and come away thinking that the author was actually talking about a physical group of white supremacists.
Ultimately I pity you.

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devilsadvocate wrote:
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When I read stuff like this I start to think that dialogue is utterly pointless because people who think this way just cannot be reasoned with. The only solution is to advocate for martial law, put down the riots with all force necessary, and ignore the people that will always blame white people no matter what. They are true racists and you cannot reason with a true racist.

No, it's because you are incapable of arguing, only attacking and obfuscating and advocating more violence.

What is there to argue when the response to the facts presented is "this is because of white supremacists!" - a group that isn't remotely involved here?...

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hero69 wrote:
suggestion: maybe the government should start a reparation fund for people of ferguson. put all the reparation money into a fund to pay for the college education of children from low income families from that area.

So Ferguson should be rewarded for immediately rioting and looting simply because the victim was black? All that will do is encourage others to violently riot in order to get free things.

My suggestion is that all business owners who have had their livelihoods destroyed over the looting and arson get some compensation from the government.

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i always find it useful to think about long term solutions to issues.

hero69 wrote:
i always find it useful to think about long term solutions to issues.

hero69 wrote:
suggestion: maybe the government should start a reparation fund for people of ferguson. put all the reparation money into a fund to pay for the college education of children from low income families from that area.

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Ferguson cop who shot dead Michael Brown 'was severely beaten by teenager'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic ... rely-beaten-teenager.html

It's racist to point this out, of course. And even if Brown did do it, it's not his fault.

JCMan8 wrote:
Ferguson cop who shot dead Michael Brown 'was severely beaten by teenager'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic ... rely-beaten-teenager.html

greenville wrote:
Someone please explain why this was made into a race issue? This would of happen no matter if he was the pink, yellow, or white power ranger trying to overpower a cop will get you shot as he/she fears for their life. The more this stupid circus show keeps on the more backwards we go in race relations in the United States.

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White supremacy is the real culprit in Ferguson... This is about the value of black life in 21st-century America.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... cy-ferguson-black-excuses

When I read stuff like this I start to think that dialogue is utterly pointless because people who think this way just cannot be reasoned with. The only solution is to advocate for martial law, put down the riots with all force necessary, and ignore the people that will always blame white people no matter what. They are true racists and you cannot reason with a true racist.

No, it's because you are incapable of arguing, only attacking and obfuscating and advocating more violence.

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Old-Skool-JC wrote:
White supremacy is the real culprit in Ferguson... This is about the value of black life in 21st-century America.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... cy-ferguson-black-excuses

When I read stuff like this I start to think that dialogue is utterly pointless because people who think this way just cannot be reasoned with. The only solution is to advocate for martial law, put down the riots with all force necessary, and ignore the people that will always blame white people no matter what. They are true racists and you cannot reason with a true racist.

VanVorster wrote:
Yes Devils that is precisely what you and many others are saying. Here's your bingo card. I think growing up here many of you get the benefit of being oblivious to race and racial issues. Some whites, in particular my many white friends, however recognize it.

http://sassy-gay-justice.tumblr.com/image/94792171265

Here are your talking points: Blacks are predisposed to criminality;

their culture is horrible and they take no personal responsibility like white people

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson hate white people because they haven't talked about black on black crime and fixed it yet

-- although we haven't fixed white on white crime either;

and because blacks kill blacks, then it really shouldn't be a really big deal when whites (civilian or officers) kill blacks. End scene.

Old-Skool-JC wrote:
White supremacy is the real culprit in Ferguson. The excuses just prove it.

We?ve had enough of the police brutality, of the colorblind mythologies and post-racial rhetoric, of the sweet-talk, of the calls for non-violence; of mass incarceration and systemic poverty, of trigger happy cops and crying black mothers, of the Eric Garners and Renisha McBrides, the Michael Browns and Tarika Wilsons; of black tears and white terror. Dr Martin Luther King Jr said in 1968: ?A riot is the language of the unheard?. Today, nearly 50 years later, black America demands to not only be heard but heeded ? by any means necessary.

This week in Ferguson, Missouri, there has been more backlash over the resistance of a few black (and some white) protestors than the violence of white police. Meanwhile, according to organizers on the ground, it has mainly been (white) outsiders inciting violence to promote their own agenda. As the writer Sarah Kendzior tweeted: ?White people coming to STL to provoke police violence against black residents and get them blamed?. More than blamed: black people are left to bear the brunt of the political mess white infiltration leaves behind, be it by the National Guard or outside organizers.

As Sean Beale, a 27-year-old local, told the Guardian: ?If you don?t live here you don?t worry about the burning and looting. You don?t worry about stores closing, or losing your job, or walking for miles to buy food.?

But to focus more on the people?s resistance than the police repression that created it ? even as tensions cooled in the streets on Monday night ? is to participate in the dehumanization and devaluing of black life. To ignore the elders rallying for the sake of our babies and young people peacefully protesting on behalf of our future while some (white) visitors instigate disarray is morally reprehensible. Beyond Ferguson, the pattern is clear. Blacks are always to blame, even as we are brutalized by police, ghettoized by neoliberal policies, and disenfranchised by a racist criminal (in)justice system.

But that?s the crux of white supremacist racial logic: the problem with black people is ? well, black people ? not mass incarceration and the deindustrialization of urban America, not educational inequality and generational poverty, not 400 years of slavery, lynchings, and Jim Crow. To be black in America is to be victimized and then made responsible for our victimization. We built this country. But, apparently, it is we who are lazy and dependent. We are bullied politically, socially and economically. But it is we who are called ?thugs?.

?There is never an excuse for violence against police,? President Obama said. Yet there are endless excuses for state violence against black people. For mass incarceration, there?s the ?war on drugs?. For poverty and unemployment, there?s ?a culture of laziness? and ?government dependence?. For the educational gap, there?s the burden of ?acting white?. For Eric Garner: ?loosies?. And for Michael Brown, there are stolen cigarillos, jaywalking or anything the police can say to shift the narrative from their white supremacist practices to black ?ghetto? culture.

It is to say that black lives do not matter, that our babies deserve death and despair, that our communities don?t deserve protection and justice.

Obama needs post-racialism like Bush needed the ?war on terror?: to camouflage our contradictions, to exercise global dominance vis-?-vis a (neo)liberal-democratic narrative, to lie to the world. But with the numbers of black bodies unemployed, incarcerated and extrajudicially executed, what are to we to do?

No one person knows.

But we must act collectively and courageously. Alongside the immediate arrest of Darren Wilson, we must demand the demilitarization of law enforcement as well as the decriminalization of the black body. In addition to the withdrawal of the curfew and National Guard, we must demand the withdrawal of apartheid police forces and local governments where a black majority is ruled by a white minority. We cannot depend on the same police force that killed Brown to liberate us. In Ferguson and across the nation we must push for the implementation of community-oriented police models that include prevention, problem-solving, citizen engagement and community partnerships. There needs to be a cop-watch program in every city across America with a high concentration of people of color.

Also, we must recognize that naming Wilson as the killer without naming white supremacy as the culprit fails to address the root of racialized police violence. We must recognize, as Malcolm X did, that police brutality is a human rights issue that will not be solved simply by the passing of legislation. Our rallies must spark revolutionary action. Our marching must evolve into a sustainable movement. We must see that this is bigger than Brown and Wilson, than Ferguson or New York City. This is about the value of black life in 21st-century America.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisf ... cy-ferguson-black-excuses

Old-Skool-JC wrote:
"Obama needs post-racialism like Bush needed the ?war on terror?: to camouflage our contradictions, to exercise global dominance vis-?-vis a (neo)liberal-democratic narrative..."

VanVorster wrote:
Dude, I haven't hitched my wagon to any cause or sided with any position.

VanVorster wrote:
Yes Devils that is precisely what you and many others are saying. Here's your bingo card. I think growing up here many of you get the benefit of being oblivious to race and racial issues. Some whites, in particular my many white friends, however recognize it.

http://sassy-gay-justice.tumblr.com/image/94792171265

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Of course if this turns out to be true, will we see any apologies for what occurred? Even a tiny hint of personal responsibility? Doubtful.

I?ll posit the question again? When has any culture or civilization ever taken personal responsibility for anything stupid, wrong or dishonest?

Is the Catholic Church apologizing for shuttling pedophiles throughout the world and hiding money so that they won?t have to pay out lawsuits?
Is W apologizing for getting the US into a war in Iraq?
Are the Chinese apologizing for the murder of college kids at Tiananmen Square?
How about the British for their role in enslaving people and then shipping them to other countries?

A friend's aunt fled Vienna after the Anschluss - she received a pension from West Germany from the age she would have been eligible until she died. She was just one of thousands.

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JCMan8 wrote:
Of course if this turns out to be true, will we see any apologies for what occurred? Even a tiny hint of personal responsibility? Doubtful.

I?ll posit the question again? When has any culture or civilization ever taken personal responsibility for anything stupid, wrong or dishonest?

Is the Catholic Church apologizing for shuttling pedophiles throughout the world and hiding money so that they won?t have to pay out lawsuits?
Is W apologizing for getting the US into a war in Iraq?
Are the Chinese apologizing for the murder of college kids at Tiananmen Square?
How about the British for their role in enslaving people and then shipping them to other countries?