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Attorney General Eric Holder heads to Ferguson, Mo., over shooting death of Michael Brown
President Obama announced Wednesday he was sending Holder to Missouri as the National Guard began patrolling key intersections in the St. Louis suburb. Meanwhile, an independent autopsy cast doubts on police accounts of how Officer Darren Wilson fatally shot the teen, and an eyewitness video showed the moments after the tragic encounter between Wilson and Brown. An officer appearing to be Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson stands beside the dead body of Michael Brown on Aug. 9 in a video shot by eyewitness Piaget Crenshaw.An officer appearing to be Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson stands beside the dead body of Michael Brown on Aug. 9 in a video shot by eyewitness Piaget The nation?s top lawman was dispatched to violence-scarred Ferguson as a top forensics expert declared Monday he found ?no evidence of a struggle? on the body of black teenager who was killed by a white cop. President Obama announced that he was sending Attorney General Eric Holder to Missouri on Wednesday as the National Guard began patrolling key intersections in the St. Louise suburb that has been racked by violence between demonstrators and police. The vast majority of people protesting the killing of 18-year-old Michael Brown have been peaceful while a ?small minority are not,? Obama said. Saying he understands their rage, Obama added that ?giving into that anger by looting and carrying guns and attacking police undermines justice.? ?Let?s seek to heal rather than to wound each other,? he said. The FBI has already launched a civil rights investigation into the Aug. 9 killing and the Department of Justice is monitoring the case. Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/natio ... e-1.1906990#ixzz3AnQ8dCua
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Your "facts" are wrong. The 300 pound man was stopped for blocking the street by walking down the middle, not jaywalking (which is crossing the street). The "eyewitnesses" (who are proven liars) concocted a story that the cop was sitting in his car and tried to pull in the 6' 4" 300 pound man through the window! And some people are stupid enough to believe it! And Brown was shot from the front AND died on his stomach. This means he was almost certainly charging at the cop, as forward momentum meant he landed on his stomach when killed. If he was standing still when shot he would have probably landed on his back. Anyway, the exact merits of the shooting are not the issue. The issue is the black and liberal community's immediate rush to judgment that this was an "execution," and the subsequent looting. Like another poster said, isn't it funny how the cop was immediately guilty in some people's minds yet any speculation about Brown is "character assassination" and disgusting?
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When many 'eyewitnesses' said Brown was shot in the back, and the autopsy commissioned by his family says he wasn't and agrees with the police account that he wasn't shot in the back-yes, we do know they were lying.
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I will wait for the facts. Not condemning Mike Brown as instigating this - the scenario posited by some - nor condemning or exonerating the officer either. You're quick to say the eyewitnesses lied as though you know. Also police officers lie too. Great op-Ed in the Times about that. https://storify.com/miniver/mike-brown ... g-whistles-from-shaunking
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You missed the best part about race-baiter Sharpton's speech yesterday. Quote: He asked all preachers in attendance to donate $100. The suggested amount went down to $50, then to $20 and finally to whatever anyone could give. Oh Al, doing what he does best. http://news.yahoo.com/sharpton-strike ... wd-michael-001627732.html
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Pretty impressive-looking app developed by a few teenagers. The JCPD could do a lot of good in the community by embracing and encouraging the use of these apps - soliciting feedback, using as a basis for commendation, practices and procedures.
You want to know how well you are doing in your communities? Have a look at the feedback and ratings. As with any org or business, it doesn't always matter whether you are right or wrong, but how you are perceived. http://www.buzzfeed.com/jessicaprobus ... t-police-violence#4bnie8f http://pinetartinc.com/?p=77 The ACLU has something similar. https://www.aclu-nj.org/yourrights/the-app-place/
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The parents and even family members should take a long hard look into the mirror and review who actually failed this young ADULT.
When our family has a crisis or issue, we rally around and work it out as a team family effort - This includes Uncles, Aunts, Cousins and in laws - Any blame game starts and ends with our family.
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You cannot compare one event to another. Police are constantly injured wrestling with suspects and quite often it's more than one cop on the suspect. As evidence is being released it appears that some of the witnesses either lied or didn't see what they thought they saw. Also, a cop is not checking the age of a 6'4" 290LB person who is assaulting or charging them. The robbery video is a separate incident but it shows Brown's state of mind just minutes before his interaction with the cop. Also, it is no simple "shoplifting". It is a robbery suspect who then assaults the victim. You cannot write off Brown's behavior to historical transgressions. It's interesting how many people are giving him a pass on the robbery and downplaying it to "just a few $4.00 cigars" as if that's okay. Lets say we do that though, we say that years of oppressive history shaped Brown's point of view and behavior. Lets say he couldn't help himself. Well, then shouldn't the cop get a pass too. Isn't he also a victim of those same social norms? That's of course if he blatantly shot Brown. In any case, the event has now taken on a life of it's own. People have picked up the mantle and have decided that facts and evidence don't matter as much as the agenda set forth by a chosen few. That agenda may be a good one in the long run but they have used Brown simply as THEIR sacrificial lamb. The cop will be destroyed either way and many people don't give a hoot about that. After all, the cop was immediately guilty in their minds but any speculation about Brown is considered disgusting.
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Yes, Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton, who demanded the police identify the police officer, is offended that the police also released the video showing the robbery and assault committed by the 300 lb, 6'4" man.
Can someone tell me how video evidence documenting the event minutes before the shooting and confrontation is spitting on the grave of the deceased? Or should he also be angry the video taken in real time has the videographer saying that Brown turned around and rushed at the policeman before being shot? Or that Brown was under the influence of drugs? Or that Brown wasn't shot in the back, as many 'eyewitnesses' have claimed, as the autopsy commissioned by the family confirmed? And Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton chastising Governor Christie for leaving the state to go to the Hamptons during the events unfolding in Ferguson? (Er, Al, he was at a fundraiser-for the Apollo Theater in Harlem . . .)
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Note to VV-don't want to be tear gassed? Don't loot stores and throw Molotov cocktails. Stay home during curfew. Listen to President Obama and let justice be served.
Posted on: 2014/8/18 22:55
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Are you really that naive and paranoid to think that old-school was being serious in killing nameless oppressors and that it's a credible threat for a bunch of anonymous trolling people who wax about law and order, scary black people and all their other nonsense? It doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize he was being cheeky (irreverent, impudent) in showing how idiotic many of you are with all your race-baiting and fear mongering and how pathetic you come off. There are people being tear gassed in Ferguson and police calling citizens "animals come bring it" looking like the military, and you are reflexively scared and angst ridden sitting behind a computer screen anonymously that your safety is in peril because a poster made a snide remark. You damn well know he was being sarcastic.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07 ... anoia-Killed-Eric-Garner#
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Did I ever say he was a nice guy? I said, I am not castigating Michael Brown (playing respectability politics that dictates that we determine if he was one of the good blacks) NOR am I condemning Darren Wilson (innocent until proven guilty)
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2 ... -brown-ferguson-black-men http://breakingbrown.com/2014/03/whit ... se-so-wheres-the-outrage/
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VV thinks that Old School's blatantly racist comments inciting racial hatred are "cheeky" so we all know how much her opinion means.
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Look who is in this thread! What a surprise. And your position is so surprising too. I'm sure this fellow that just robbed a store was really a nice, sweet guy who was just a victim of racism.
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Every shooting is a different situation. You can't compare this situation with Michael Brown. Thats apples-to-oranges. If you had statistics that showed the likelihood of a white person to be fatally shot while in a confrontation with police vs. a black person being fatally shot while in a confrontation with police, that might be more meaningful. I appreciate you saying that the looting is reprehensible and there is no justification for it. Let's add to the fact that many of these businesses will never reopen in Ferguson and residents of the town may need to go elsewhere to buy certain essentials, or just move out of town altogether. The people doing the looting are mere opportunists and are also hurting their own community and people if they also happen to live in Ferguson.
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7 dead and 29 shot in Chicago-just this weekend.
Where is the media attention? Why aren't Al 'Tawana Brawley' Sharpton and Jesse 'Hymietown' Jackson flying in to bitch at Rahm Emmanuel about the carnage, which mostly affects minorities?
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^^^^^^ Guy who just wrote: "Burn down babylon. Death to our white oppressors." You're right, there's a BUNCH of racism on this board. Most of it coming from guess who?
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Perhaps the minorities that are now majorities in Ferguson can come out to vote next election? They had a 12% turnout last election, perhaps if they came out and voted they'd effect the change they desire.
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The history of Ferguson is the history of the racial contract; it is the history of the consolidation of wealth through the legalized economic and social exclusion of African-Americans. The police are now being carefully tracked by mainstream media, who realize that their initial story has gotten away from them: It will not do to discuss looting at the expense of the anger of black Americans.
Many are pointing to the militarization of police ? as evidenced by the presence of SWAT teams, advanced weapons, military gear ? as a place to begin to counter their abuse. But the militarization of police is only the latest expression of the racial contract. It is true, as Alex Kane argues, the equipment of the war on terror is being brought home and directed at its black population. But the militarization of police is only the most recent symptom of the Racial Contract: Black Americans, Muslim Americans, and other brown folks ? from migrant labor to refugee children ? will be controlled and managed through the concerted efforts of an administration and Congress who will work on behalf of the wealthy, who like their streets clear of black Americans, their lawns and children attended by brown people, and their schools reserved for the children of the elite ? http://www.salon.com/2014/08/15/white ... real_history_of_ferguson/
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You may call anti looter/pro hard worker an "agenda" but we both know you'd be incorrect. You are spewing biased lies and nonsense, talking about reflections of others humanity. I've laid out your many biases very clearly. Most telling is how you say Old School is "cheeky and sarcastic calling people out on their racism" but you don't care that he's been calling for the murder of all white "oppressors." Apparently that isn't racist to you. Enough of a reason for no one to take you seriously.
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And this man wasn't shot (not even a flesh wound) while he was being apprehended and he assaulted police officers. When you combine black with big, it's basically a veritable pass to say "well the scary big black man scared me" and all bets are off and I think people are subconsciously permissive in using their guns on black/brown people as evident by the Study below.
http://www.kmov.com/news/crime/Police ... s-officers-271009211.html
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It's really rich that you're one to talk about someone's biases when yours are legion and dastardly. You are merely here to gin up the crowd, stir the pot and your agenda plainly evident. And some cops like some of you may be oblivious to when they are overreacting due to subconscious bias. I want to know the facts of what happened and I am neither castigating Michael Brown nor condemning Darren Wilson just yet.
http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/ ... -study-racial-bias-weapon
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VanVorster, your biases are showing again. No one said Brown deserved to die for committing a strong arm robbery alone.
But it is looking possible that the 6'4" 300 pound Brown punched the cop in his face several times, tried to take his gun, ran away, but turned around and was charging at the officer when he was shot down. If this is the case, yes, this is a 100% justified shooting. Yet the Ferguson black community rushed to judgment before any facts were in, primarily based off "eyewitnesses" who are turning out to be proven liars. It is the rush to judgment simply because of Brown's skin color that is racist in the extreme. The subsequent destroying of their community is just a sad manifestation of their broken culture.
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No one is condoning the looting in fact many of the residents there find it reprehensible. There are black people there trying to protect the stores from those miscreants who are opportunists. What I find interesting is that Old School can be cheeky and sarcastic calling out people on their racism (and this site by its posts has definitely become more xenophobic and racist since its inception) and then jerseymom posts a Black Panther video (e.g. subtext "quick, they are coming for white people, get your guns") when the death, violence and brutality is visited upon black and brown bodies and no white person has been killed. None of you seems to be that concerned about Michael Brown and some of you seem to have implied well that's what he gets for the cigars. And that is a poor reflection on you, your humanity or lack thereof.
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It's a shame your post is being overlooked because it is right on the money. We can see all of these factors painfully on display in Ferguson. It's definitely true that poverty and racism are external factors that do much harm. But what you have described are cultural factors that are well within their control to change. The first step towards a solution is a sober acknowledgment of the problem, but we as a society cannot even reach step 1.
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Really, VanVorster? I pegged you for someone more intelligent and with more class than this. I might have expected it from certain other posters, but not you. I certainly would never associate with the Klan or any other organized hate group. I have just maintained that the looting and harm to innocent bystanders who had nothing to do with this shooting is completely wrong, unjustified and there is no way I can sympathize with the looters. It doesn't matter who did it or why they did it.
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But in all seriousness, no one is absolving black people of personal responsibility; and really, some tool actually gave a cliff notes version on how blacks can become good blacks on JCList rather than questioning cops sometimes thinking they have unfettered power and will wield it when it comes to lower socioeconomic groups. It's interesting that's the rote response from some of you like you want to at any all costs avoid the unpleasant facts institutional and systemic racism/classism; and hijack the conversation whenever something like this happens with platitudes of black on black crime, that he stole cigars, smoked a joint, etc. with no culpability toward the people pulling the trigger.
http://everydayfeminism.com/2014/08/michael-brown-and-ferguson/ http://www.damemagazine.com/2014/08/1 ... ut-ferguson-besides-tweet
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Some of you have a rally to attend.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/08/18 ... ooting-of-ngger-criminal/
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You asked for my address didn't you? Furthermore, you didn't answer my previous questions either. I said: "How, exactly, do I "oppress you" or anyone else? I don't even know you. Because I have a problem with anybody who loots businesses and harms innocent bystanders, does that make me oppressive?"
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