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Pebs, you're doubling down from near unanimous to vast majority? Vast? You need to find another word.

And married women made up the single largest voter block in the election-if you take single men, single women, married men, and married women-the highest percentage of those among actual voters were-married women.

And they voted Romney.

And, sadly, the electorate gets it figured out now-the recent CNN (note-not Fox News) poll had Romney winning by 53-44% if the election were held today.

So much for hope and change! :)

The media bias, well, of course you don't buy it-because you believe that's the way it should be.

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Pebs, if you think 55% is 'nearly unanimous' I suggest you take a remedial math course. And married women voted for Romney 53-46%. You know, the women who have husbands and kids.

Monroe wrote:
If TV 'news' reporters just reported then the success of talk radio never would have happened. The fact that CBS, NBC, ABC, and PBS all slant left in their 'reporting' led to this-so please include NBC 'News' anchor and managing editor Brian Williams, ex President Carter intern, as a blowhard. And George Stephanopoulos for ABC 'News'-toss him in there as well.

That is, if you want to be intellectually honest rather than partisan.

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Obama back on-point, telling it how it is. At least he's trying, though not sure if any "progressives" will listen:

"Sometimes African Americans, in communities where I?ve worked, there?s been the notion of 'acting white' ? which sometimes is overstated, but there?s an element of truth to it, where, okay, if boys are reading too much, then, well, why are you doing that? Or why are you speaking so properly? And the notion that there?s some authentic way of being black, that if you?re going to be black you have to act a certain way and wear a certain kind of clothes, that has to go. Because there are a whole bunch of different ways for African American men to be authentic."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/p ... es-there-on-acting-white/

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If TV 'news' reporters just reported then the success of talk radio never would have happened.

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That is, if you want to be intellectually honest rather than partisan.

Sigh. They did, until Saint Reagan deregulated the communication industry and eliminated the Fairness Doctrine in 1987. I was in college then and discourse was a lot more civil.

Partisan 'reporting' by the left is Reagan's fault? Jeez, that's hilarious.

Exactly the thoughtful response I anticipated. Tuning out now.

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If TV 'news' reporters just reported then the success of talk radio never would have happened.

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That is, if you want to be intellectually honest rather than partisan.

Sigh. They did, until Saint Reagan deregulated the communication industry and eliminated the Fairness Doctrine in 1987. I was in college then and discourse was a lot more civil.

Partisan 'reporting' by the left is Reagan's fault? Jeez, that's hilarious.

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If TV 'news' reporters just reported then the success of talk radio never would have happened.

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That is, if you want to be intellectually honest rather than partisan.

Sigh. They did, until Saint Reagan deregulated the communication industry and eliminated the Fairness Doctrine in 1987. I was in college then and discourse was a lot more civil.

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If TV 'news' reporters just reported then the success of talk radio never would have happened.

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That is, if you want to be intellectually honest rather than partisan.

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So - has this idiot been hired by Fox News yet?

Since what he said is basically similar to what President Obama said, do you call Obama an idiot as well?

The President is paid to opine on social issues (and, ideally, get the government going on solving them).

Reporters are supposed to report. As I said, I'm all for hard-hitting investigative reporting, but we have too many blowhards on talk radio, Fox News, etc. keeping this guy company.

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So - has this idiot been hired by Fox News yet?

Since what he said is basically similar to what President Obama said, do you call Obama an idiot as well?

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And yes most of my friends were white growing up and we got along but that doesn't negate the fact that I knew from a very early age that my race would be an issue for some at times.

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Middle class or affluent blacks are not impervious to racist incidents or racism in general (e.g. Oprah shopping) and most blacks will tell you that. So what if Obama grew up in Kansas, Hawaii and Indonesia. If anything, I like the fact he didn't grow in a cloistered world like the majority of the GOP (Ann & Mitt Romney). I grew up in basically an all white middle-class neighborhood with swim & tennis clubs, nice parks, etc. and we could only afford to live there because both of my parents worked in contrast to the other families. And yes most of my friends were white growing up and we got along but that doesn't negate the fact that I knew from a very early age that my race would be an issue for some at times. Being from Greenville doesn't make you authentically black as the black experience runs the gamut.

Forest, a celebrity, was reminded that his color matters to some or a means to profile. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02 ... -york-deli_n_2719712.html

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Heights, closed to 100% of black votes went to Obama in both elections, showing how they identify him. Of course, if close to 100% of white voters voted for the white candidates, it would be called racism.

So yes, black Americans overwhelmingly claim President Obama as their own, regardless of his bi-racial roots or where his father was from.

Um no, rather blacks had basic common sense in not casting their votes for McCain/Palin (the mere prospect of her being president if something happened to McCain is mind boggling) and Romney/Ryan (binders full of women, corporations are people, 47% of people are leeches when he hardly pays any taxes and a party that relishes going to war).

Also, sometimes mixed people identify as black in part because of how they are perceived and treated (I think Obama said something about him having trouble getting cabs in NYC when he was younger and saying the cab drivers weren't thinking, "oh my mom is white and I was raised by white people"). My father is basically bi-racial and that did not help him in the Jim Crow south. I swear the troglodytes on here, Geez Louise.

Nonsense. And noted that although black voter turnout was huge for Obama's first win, his first term resulted in a considerably lower black turnout in his second election. Guess the novelty wore off, or (more likely) his rhetoric didn't result in personal improvements. (Same thing happened with the white college kids-lots of voter apathy in election 2012).

Please compare the black unemployment rates since Obama was elected, vs, say, how the Dow Jones has done. One hasn't improved, the other has reached record highs. Who's been the beneficiary of his policies? Not those black Amercans who voted for him, especially the unemployed youth. And I don't want to hear about an obstructionist Congress, as Obama had the whole shebang in his pocket for his first two years and frittered it away.

Obama's bi-racial profile may have stopped him from getting cabs, but he was quite the playa with the white Ivy league college girls-good for him, bad for the sistas! :)

Oh many blacks have fared worse (much it from subprime predatory lending and there being a dearth of jobs - middle class and otherwise -- and that people often get jobs through networks and there's entrenched occupational segregation) and yes an obstructionist congress doesn't help either. As the aphorism goes with respect to a bad economy, "when whites have a cold, blacks have a fever."

http://www.fromthesquare.org/?p=5783

http://rollingout.com/politics/employ ... ks-feed-their-families/#_


Sistas? Monroe, really. Sigh, are you as pathetic in real life as you appear in the virtual world? How is dating white girls remotely relevant to this conversation? Many people date across racial lines, including myself based on shared values, interests, attraction, etc. And how is that good for him? Are white women a prize? It's like you came from the 1800s or something.

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Heights, closed to 100% of black votes went to Obama in both elections, showing how they identify him. Of course, if close to 100% of white voters voted for the white candidates, it would be called racism.

So yes, black Americans overwhelmingly claim President Obama as their own, regardless of his bi-racial roots or where his father was from.

Um no, rather blacks had basic common sense in not casting their votes for McCain/Palin (the mere prospect of her being president if something happened to McCain is mind boggling) and Romney/Ryan (binders full of women, corporations are people, 47% of people are leeches when he hardly pays any taxes and a party that relishes going to war).

Also, sometimes mixed people identify as black in part because of how they are perceived and treated (I think Obama said something about him having trouble getting cabs in NYC when he was younger and saying the cab drivers weren't thinking, "oh my mom is white and I was raised by white people"). My father is basically bi-racial and that did not help him in the Jim Crow south. I swear the troglodytes on here, Geez Louise.

Nonsense. And noted that although black voter turnout was huge for Obama's first win, his first term resulted in a considerably lower black turnout in his second election. Guess the novelty wore off, or (more likely) his rhetoric didn't result in personal improvements. (Same thing happened with the white college kids-lots of voter apathy in election 2012).

Please compare the black unemployment rates since Obama was elected, vs, say, how the Dow Jones has done. One hasn't improved, the other has reached record highs. Who's been the beneficiary of his policies? Not those black Amercans who voted for him, especially the unemployed youth. And I don't want to hear about an obstructionist Congress, as Obama had the whole shebang in his pocket for his first two years and frittered it away.

Obama's bi-racial profile may have stopped him from getting cabs, but he was quite the playa with the white Ivy league college girls-good for him, bad for the sistas! :)

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I'm not saying they're massive racists, though, if whites displayed that kind of preference they would clearly be labeled as such. But I am saying that they displayed significant support for Obama due to race.

For Colin Powell, he even gave a huge donation to McCain UNTIL Obama became the Democratic nominee. Your Palin argument is quaint and I hated her too, but I don't see evidence that this is what was behind Powell's decision.

For Rice, she was intentionally vague on her choice and gave a tearful congratulations yet in 2012 suddenly supported Romney, most likely due to a) the possibility that she would be the VP pick (which, probably would have been smart), and b) interest in remaining in Republican politics. Pretty clear what was going on.

My point with these examples is that you have near unanimous support in a minority population the likes of which would be considered clear proof of racism if it was applied to white voters in a similar situation. In fact, racism was blamed for whites preferring Romney, not even close to on a unanimous basis.

If ifs-and-buts were candies and nuts... Maybe you can build your strawman with the other numpties on here that like building strawman arguments.

Women nearly unanimously voted for Obama. Do you think it is because they are racist too? Everyone that voted for Clinton voted for Obama. Gee, that's surprising! Next you'll tell me that everyone that declares the color blue as their favorite color owns a blue shirt...

Pebs, if you think 55% is 'nearly unanimous' I suggest you take a remedial math course. And married women voted for Romney 53-46%. You know, the women who have husbands and kids.

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I'm not saying they're massive racists, though, if whites displayed that kind of preference they would clearly be labeled as such. But I am saying that they displayed significant support for Obama due to race.

For Colin Powell, he even gave a huge donation to McCain UNTIL Obama became the Democratic nominee. Your Palin argument is quaint and I hated her too, but I don't see evidence that this is what was behind Powell's decision.

For Rice, she was intentionally vague on her choice and gave a tearful congratulations yet in 2012 suddenly supported Romney, most likely due to a) the possibility that she would be the VP pick (which, probably would have been smart), and b) interest in remaining in Republican politics. Pretty clear what was going on.

My point with these examples is that you have near unanimous support in a minority population the likes of which would be considered clear proof of racism if it was applied to white voters in a similar situation. In fact, racism was blamed for whites preferring Romney, not even close to on a unanimous basis.

If ifs-and-buts were candies and nuts... Maybe you can build your strawman with the other numpties on here that like building strawman arguments.

Women nearly unanimously voted for Obama. Do you think it is because they are racist too? Everyone that voted for Clinton voted for Obama. Gee, that's surprising! Next you'll tell me that everyone that declares the color blue as their favorite color owns a blue shirt...

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I'm not saying they're massive racists, though, if whites displayed that kind of preference they would clearly be labeled as such. But I am saying that they displayed significant support for Obama due to race.

For Colin Powell, he even gave a huge donation to McCain UNTIL Obama became the Democratic nominee. Your Palin argument is quaint and I hated her too, but I don't see evidence that this is what was behind Powell's decision.

For Rice, she was intentionally vague on her choice and gave a tearful congratulations yet in 2012 suddenly supported Romney, most likely due to a) the possibility that she would be the VP pick (which, probably would have been smart), and b) interest in remaining in Republican politics. Pretty clear what was going on.

My point with these examples is that you have near unanimous support in a minority population the likes of which would be considered clear proof of racism if it was applied to white voters in a similar situation. In fact, racism was blamed for whites preferring Romney, not even close to on a unanimous basis.

If ifs-and-buts were candies and nuts... Maybe you can build your strawman with the other numpties on here that like building strawman arguments.

Women nearly unanimously voted for Obama. Do you think it is because they are racist too? Everyone that voted for Clinton voted for Obama. Gee, that's surprising! Next you'll tell me that everyone that declares the color blue as their favorite color owns a blue shirt...

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Heights, closed to 100% of black votes went to Obama in both elections, showing how they identify him. Of course, if close to 100% of white voters voted for the white candidates, it would be called racism.

So yes, black Americans overwhelmingly claim President Obama as their own, regardless of his bi-racial roots or where his father was from.

Um no, rather blacks had basic common sense in not casting their votes for McCain/Palin (the mere prospect of her being president if something happened to McCain is mind boggling) and Romney/Ryan (binders full of women, corporations are people, 47% of people are leeches when he hardly pays any taxes and a party that relishes going to war).

Also, sometimes mixed people identify as black in part because of how they are perceived and treated (I think Obama said something about him having trouble getting cabs in NYC when he was younger and saying the cab drivers weren't thinking, "oh my mom is white and I was raised by white people"). My father is basically bi-racial and that did not help him in the Jim Crow south. I swear the troglodytes on here, Geez Louise.

devilsadvocate wrote:
I'm not saying they're massive racists, though, if whites displayed that kind of preference they would clearly be labeled as such. But I am saying that they displayed significant support for Obama due to race.

For Colin Powell, he even gave a huge donation to McCain UNTIL Obama became the Democratic nominee. Your Palin argument is quaint and I hated her too, but I don't see evidence that this is what was behind Powell's decision.

For Rice, she was intentionally vague on her choice and gave a tearful congratulations yet in 2012 suddenly supported Romney, most likely due to a) the possibility that she would be the VP pick (which, probably would have been smart), and b) interest in remaining in Republican politics. Pretty clear what was going on.

My point with these examples is that you have near unanimous support in a minority population the likes of which would be considered clear proof of racism if it was applied to white voters in a similar situation. In fact, racism was blamed for whites preferring Romney, not even close to on a unanimous basis.

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Condi didn't support Obama. she supported Romney and McCain. Colin probably switched allegiances because he saw what Cheney/Bush had done to this country, bogus wars based on false information and realized he was duped like the rest of us and didn't want to repeat the past. Devils, not trying to convince you as you're simply lost; and quite frankly, you're akin to a pestering fly you want to swat because it just won't go away but you're resigned to its presence. yes, we all biases, I'm just actually aware of mine and I don't dismiss what other people might experience.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11 ... lates-obama_n_141414.html

Yeah, she "hinted" but never even outright stated she would vote for McCain. Then she tearfully called up Obama. Not exactly what you would expect from a senior Republican. Yes, in 2012 she endorsed Romney, because she still has at least some political ambitions.

W/r/t Powell, I will just leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Po ... idential_election_of_2008

So he started by donating a maximum amount to McCain, so that kills your theory, but then suddenly had a change of heart. The quotes are particularly great.

Ok, if you're so aware of your biases why don't you tell us what they are? This should be good. I expect an answer resembling "I'm just too fair to white people."

So what you are arguing is that Rice and Powell are such racists that they set aside their political affiliation simply because a black guy was on the ticket... Um okay....

Is it not possible, in your mind, for someone to have certain political views that fall on both sides of the fence? Is it not possible to find that what is important today is not as important tomorrow?

I'm sorry, but the idea that Sarah Palin should be a heartbeat from the presidency is astounding to me. I'm guessing that Rice and Powell felt the same way. Heck, even McCain felt the same way by the time the election was over.

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Heights, closed to 100% of black votes went to Obama in both elections, showing how they identify him. Of course, if close to 100% of white voters voted for the white candidates, it would be called racism.

So yes, black Americans overwhelmingly claim President Obama as their own, regardless of his bi-racial roots or where his father was from.

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Condi didn't support Obama. she supported Romney and McCain. Colin probably switched allegiances because he saw what Cheney/Bush had done to this country, bogus wars based on false information and realized he was duped like the rest of us and didn't want to repeat the past. Devils, not trying to convince you as you're simply lost; and quite frankly, you're akin to a pestering fly you want to swat because it just won't go away but you're resigned to its presence. yes, we all biases, I'm just actually aware of mine and I don't dismiss what other people might experience.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11 ... lates-obama_n_141414.html

Yeah, she "hinted" but never even outright stated she would vote for McCain. Then she tearfully called up Obama. Not exactly what you would expect from a senior Republican. Yes, in 2012 she endorsed Romney, because she still has at least some political ambitions.

W/r/t Powell, I will just leave this here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Po ... idential_election_of_2008

So he started by donating a maximum amount to McCain, so that kills your theory, but then suddenly had a change of heart. The quotes are particularly great.

Ok, if you're so aware of your biases why don't you tell us what they are? This should be good. I expect an answer resembling "I'm just too fair to white people."

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Well I'm from the Caribbean too and have had a different experience from you.


Oh, interesting. http://ottawacitizen.com/news/nationa ... urprising-growth-industry

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Condi didn't support Obama. she supported Romney and McCain. Colin probably switched allegiances because he saw what Cheney/Bush had done to this country, bogus wars based on false information and realized he was duped like the rest of us and didn't want to repeat the past. Devils, not trying to convince you as you're simply lost; and quite frankly, you're akin to a pestering fly you want to swat because it just won't go away but you're resigned to its presence. yes, we all biases, I'm just actually aware of mine and I don't dismiss what other people might experience.

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http://www.thetoptens.com/most-racist-countries/

The US wins every poll.

I don't find this surprising at all. Several of my black friends from college and grad school went abroad to raise their children/have families (Europe, Africa) and a few to the Caribbean. I think racism is just an intrinsic part of this country because it's in its DNA given its fraught history. I've always traveled abroad (Europe, South America, Central America, Caribbean, Canada) and I honestly feel less aware of being a POC elsewhere than I do in the United States. Many of my friends feel the same. I think because when traveling, foreigners take me for simply being American.

?Racism is so universal in this country, so widespread, and deep-seated, that it is invisible because it is so normal.?


? Shirley Chisholm