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So much for being that 'family restaurant' the contributes to youth employment in a given location - Its corporate greed with zero community interest. I hope society boycotts them and more local communities ban them from operating or opening stores in their neighborhoods  
Posted on: 2014/5/22 1:16
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I think the USA plan is already in play after Europe.
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/43050933/ns ... t-computers/#.U31Lck7D-mc
Posted on: 2014/5/22 0:59
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I think it is the classic negotiating tactic of shooting for the moon then settling for the stars.
Posted on: 2014/5/22 0:46
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Absolutely, but we are talking about the basic living requirements or should we eradicate anyone and everyone that doesn't work and put more people below the poverty line to save some dollars? Personally the amount being spent on our military is ridiculous and we could save billions if we spent more time and energy focused on the people within our borders. Even the exorbitant pensions and wages that our public servants get is ridiculous and a strain on cities (after we pay for wages and pensions there is often little left for the infrastructure and service needs of the community that pay the taxes) - Too many public servants get a golden handshake when they retire, while other employees in the private sector get squat in comparison. How many times have we heard about the pension payouts or bonuses of ex-JC cityhall employees! I'd love to see these protestors succeed, as you will find that more and more fast food chains are employing adults not kids - kids normally only do the shifts outside the normal business hours where their age for cheap labor is sort. This is just another classic example of corporations and manufacturing companies that setup their businesses in China for cheap labor. If you want manufacturing to return and employment and wages to increase, the government should impose high and heavy import taxes on ALL manufacturing, even if they are owned by US corporations ... anything made overseas should be hit hard with taxes to get manufacturing returned to the US. (The situation we are in is due to greedy businesses and shareholders PLUS consumers that demand cheap prices - I believe this has had a major cause and effect on employment that has a compounding effect on all facets of living ... no money, high unemployment, no taxes generated just handouts and welfare ... the government and corporations created their own 'monster')
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So we have the loonies at the SEIU pushing for a figure 50% above what Obama wants? 50%??
Posted on: 2014/5/22 0:39
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I am 99% sure the General Accounting Office found there would be an overall benefit to society by raising the minimum wage. Also, it is not "Obama's" office, as that agency is supposed to be independent and non-partisan by nature. Certain people would lose jobs but everyone else would benefit far more than under the current system, leading to an overall benefit for society. I think $15 is way too high. However, the current figure of $7 and change is too low. Like FAB said, slavery should not be an attractive alternative to working a minimum wage job. There is definitely a tipping point (and $15 may be it) but we need to strike a balance. Right now the scales are tilted way too heavily against unskilled workers. Maybe $10 or so is the right mark, like Obama has proposed and was analyzed by the GAO.
Posted on: 2014/5/22 0:33
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FAB, the issue goes turtle when the minimum wage would rise to the point where employers lay off people and reduce hours for others. Obama's General Accounting Office themselves say a rise in the minimum wage Obama wants would mean 500,000 would lose their livelihood.
Can you admit there is a tipping point?
Posted on: 2014/5/22 0:12
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Not everyone has the financial means or aptitude to gain further education. Not everyone lives in a community where there are heaps of employment options. Not everyone has access to commute to better paying jobs. A road trip down south and the midwest can be very enlightening with the true reality facing individuals, communities, towns, cities and even States. The minimum wage needs to be an amount that can meet the basic living requirements. At the moment, the minimum wage is so low that you'd be better off being a slave, whereby your owner provides free shelter, food and all you basic necessities attended to!
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80% of McDonalds are independently owned. The franchisees must be happy with paying the CEO what he's paid.
The CEO is taking money out of the franchisees mouth, and the stockholders-not the guys slinging hamburgers. Divide that 7 million by the numbers of Big Macs sold all over the world and it probably comes out to a tenth of a cent for the average order. I think LeBron James should give some money to the last guy on the bench. And the ball boy. And the guy doing the shot charts.
Posted on: 2014/5/21 23:58
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Well, I said three of those four things, yes. As to the one you missed, the last one, I was referring to corporate lobbyists who essentially buy congress. Regardless, I am not clear at all on what humors you. And thanks for pointing out that capitalism isn't equitable, as if I was oblivious to this fact, lol. Did you ever stop to consider that you essentially ARE paying double for a box of McNuggets (yuk) as it is now? When fast food workers are FORCED to apply for government benefits, like food stamps, we the taxpayers foot the bill. So, in essence, the American taxpayer is subsidizing fast food corporations while all the while, these very same corporations are raising CEO pay (while keeping worker's pay stagnant) and are recording RECORD PROFITS year after year. How crazy is that?
Posted on: 2014/5/21 23:52
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Let's see the SEIU take out some of their Wall Street pension funds and start up a chain of fast food restaurants across the nation!
They can pay their employees whatever they choose. And free healthcare! Free babysitting! 2 hour lunches! Massages at break time!
Posted on: 2014/5/21 23:38
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We subsidize low income workers with low income housing, or some other type of govt program such as food stamps etc. Some of the fast food workers don't live in their mom's basement but in a homeless shelter. Most did not or still does not have healthcare. When they get sick they have no choice but to go to ER and we pick up the inflated ER bill.
Instead, raise the minimum wage which has not been adjusted to inflation for decades. Low income people spend most of the raise they get and this help out the overall consumer based economy. Republicans should be happy that low income people will take less "handout" from the govt because they will be paid a respected wage to pay for their things. What republicans are afraid is that fast food wage hike will cause other wages to increase across the board and eat into their profits. Why is it that fast food CEO making over 1000 times more than their average employee? How come fast food CEOs pay has quadrupled since 2000 while average employee's wage is stagnant? http://www.npr.org/blogs/thesalt/2014 ... rkers-earn-small-potatoes "Chipotle's CEO took home $13.8 million in total compensation. And McDonald's CEO compensation totaled $7.7 million. (Compensation includes salary, bonus and the value of exercised options.) Overall, the average compensation of fast-food CEOs has quadrupled since 2000. The figures in the report are based on data from Standard & Poor's ExecuComp database and company proxy statements. The report, by the public policy group , concludes the fast-food industry has the most extreme pay disparity of all the sectors in the U.S. economy, with a CEO-to-worker pay ratio now exceeding 1,000 to 1."
Posted on: 2014/5/21 23:21
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A typical fast food joint has a net profit of about $75k. The larger stores (i.e. a city McDonalds) can have gross sales over $2 million a year. The bare minimum to open a McD franchise is $750k. That money cannot be borrowed. It has to come from liquid assets.
Now if you force a high minimum wage at $15 per hour a combination of the following will happen: 1. Prices go up. 2. Benefits go down 3. Workers get replaced by automation which now costs less than the salaries that the government has mandated. #1 is limited because people are only willing to pay so much for their morning egg McMuffin. You can't force a business to pay people more than their labor is worth. The typical profit margin on the franchise level is 10%. I can think of a 1/2 dozen funds that pay at least 8% and involve a lot less risk and certainly less work than opening up a franchise. So if you are of the mind that "there is enough" to pay workers more (btw: when you add in insurance, workman's comp, disability, taxes $15 is more like $20+) and the profit margin is reduced, why bother opening up a franchise? Someone with $750k will find better things to do with their money.
Posted on: 2014/5/21 23:20
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And now we learn that the SEIU union thugs end up encouraging 120 fast food workers to get arrested at the attempted extortion protest in Chicago today.
Just what 120 entry level workers need-a 'yes' answer to every job application question 'have you ever been arrested'? That's get their application right to the top! Just what every employer wants, a worker who was arrested for protesting their former employer!
Posted on: 2014/5/21 22:57
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Another ridiculous comment from an individual who HAS ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE as to the realities of a monetary based socioeconomic system. Talking about that hoary teaching men to fish analogy. Makes me want to puke. Where the jobs at?
Posted on: 2014/5/21 22:40
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Did you really say 'pernicious' 'neoliberal' 'corporate plutocracy' 'hijacked the peoples wealth'? Thanks for making my day, I needed a good laugh. Capitalism isn't equitable. Those who achieve, invest, create jobs and make goods reap the rewards. When that European instant messaging group was sold for, what, 11 billion and it had 40 employees-yes, they all became very rich. And it didn't cost you or me a dime. Why don't you ask George Soros, Al Gore, the Hollywood elite in their private jets, Jay Z, the Clintons, to all give some of their billions to augment the wages, rather than expect me to pay double for a box of McNuggets? They can afford it more than me. It's that the socialist way, to all according to their need? Don't hold your breath waiting for any of them to do it, though.
Posted on: 2014/5/21 22:40
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$15 a hour in a 40 hour week is only 600 bucks b4 taxes, I think McDonald's and Walmart can afford this. This should be minimum wage across the board.
Posted on: 2014/5/21 22:26
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Man, get with the times. Are you out of your mind? Did you even read the article? ("Skill sets." -- Straight outta the linguistic reservoir of the typical corporate drone.) There is no bootstrapping your way out of poverty anymore. This is about the pernicious influence of neoliberal capitalism, a corporate plutocracy that has hijacked the people's democracy, and an ever widening wealth gap. The CEO to fast food worker compensation ratio stands at better than 1000 to 1. Is that an equitable distribution of a finite pool of wealth? How is someone making $7.25 per hour supposed to make ends meet? Your goody two shoes sentiment is so far from humane. And while you may fancy yourself ?quite? charitable, you sure don?t come across as very humble. You can't bootstrap your way anymore
Posted on: 2014/5/21 22:24
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Why is it hateful to ask a reasonable question? Why are the poor constantly having multiple children they can't afford? I am not poor and I can't fathom having kids. With all of the free or low cost options available to prevent or manage unwanted pregnancies, there is absolutely no excuse. Oh wait I know why. Because the more poor there are, the more votes their masters, the democrats, will have voting to continue giving alms to the poor. When the ratio of payers to recipients reaches a certain tipping point, it's game over baby. We may already be there. It's the old "teach a man to fish" adage. Yet we feel compelled in this country to reward bad decision making and eschew criticism of said bad decision making. It's pathetic. This article is equally as pathetic.
Posted on: 2014/5/21 22:08
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I don't like how corporate profits are at an all-time high while it seems like wages are at (adjusted for inflation) relative lows but this "fight" is not how to better your lot. As others have said, fast food workers' "fight" for a $15 an hour minimum wage will simply speed up the process for most of their jobs to be eliminated via use of automated services and computers. In fact, technology is rapidly putting many people out of business, or forcing them to take wage cuts, both skilled and unskilled. I agree this is progress, and makes society better overall, however the cost will probably be a massive underclass of people that society simply will have no use for. There just won't be enough jobs available. Not sure what we will do about that.
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Who's hateful? I'm outlining a way to succeed. I'm actually quite charitable, but it all starts with people wanting to help themselves. Asking for $15/hour to flip burgers, rather than trying to improve your education, gain new skill sets, work a second job (all of which I've done, btw) is a recipe for failure.
Posted on: 2014/5/21 21:37
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Why are you so damn hateful Monroe? I think you need help, or do you just crave attention?
Posted on: 2014/5/21 21:33
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Stop having kids you can't afford to support, to start. If you do start a family, live as a nuclear family instead of having two households to support. Personal responsibility usually gets things done.
Posted on: 2014/5/21 21:29
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According to the Center for Economic and Policy Research, almost 40% of fast food workers are 25 or older; and more than 25% are parents (emphasis mine). Some sources suggest nearly 50% of fast food workers are the bread winners in their household.
In the winner-take-all 'griftopia' that has taken over - like something out of Invasion of the Body Snatchers - American society, they'll need all the luck, and support, they can get.
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Sure, picket yourself right out of a job. Back to mom and dad's basement!
Fast food restaurant jobs, outside of management, are entry level jobs for students and the like. You can't expect to get a high paying wage for slinging hamburgers or asking 'would you like fries with that?'
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....while at the same time McDonalds (hopefully) implements automated service and elimination of said jobs.
Ha!
Posted on: 2014/5/21 19:44
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The fight against the corporate plutocracy and its enablers in Washington DC lives on in the name of liberation and in opposition to oppression! Go workers!
Fight the oppressive force of the dominant elite
Posted on: 2014/5/21 19:40
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