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If you bought health insurance at an Affordable Care Act marketplace this year, it really pays to look around before renewing your coverage for next year.
The system is set up to encourage people to renew the policies that they bought last year ? and there are clear advantages to doing so, such as being able to keep your current doctors. But an Upshot analysis of data from the McKinsey Center for U.S. Health System Reform shows that in many places premiums are going up by double-digit percentages within many of the most popular plans. But other plans, hoping to attract customers, are increasing their prices substantially less. In some markets, plans are even cutting prices. More
Posted on: 2014/9/18 1:37
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It reminds me of this story, - there was that girl who was raped. The rapist claimed consensual sex though, - he said that she asked him if he could at least use condom, and from that he derived that she actually cooperated and so it was not a rape. Thankfully, the jury didn't agree and he was convicted. So, back to our case. So you asked the people of Indiana to pay taxes, promising them some social benefits. They resisted. You forced them. Now, they ask to get the benefits you promised. And you proclaim that the very fact that they ask for some of their money back, - makes everything consensual. Riiiight.
Posted on: 2014/6/17 4:57
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again, the us has the least efficient system among industrailized western countries
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to ... th-care-system-in-survey/
Posted on: 2014/6/16 23:35
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Indiana's Republican governor has warmed up to ObamaCare.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinion ... de081a_story.html?hpid=z2 ndiana?s Gov. Pence taking the Obamacare money and Irunning with it By Dana Milbank, Published: May 19 For the first time since Obamacare split the country in two, the conditions for a cease-fire have begun to appear. An architect of this detente ? although he denies any such intent ? is Mike Pence, who as a conservative Republican congressman in 2010 fought bitterly against the law and who as governor of Indiana refused to implement it. But Pence, after intensive negotiations with the Obama administration, just announced his intent to take the money Obamacare provides for Medicaid expansion and to use it on his own terms to broaden health-care coverage for the working poor.....
Posted on: 2014/5/20 10:35
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Not saying that the two statements don't look foolish side by side, but you should be smart enough to know that one has nothing to do with the other...
Posted on: 2014/5/19 17:31
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Posted on: 2014/5/16 23:13
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How long can other Conservitards hold out?
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-sh ... ees-the-writing-the#break
Posted on: 2014/5/16 15:30
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I like the term "conservitards." Let's make it a common word!
Posted on: 2014/5/16 15:18
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Yeah, this is working out great-when a home state Senator is asking for answers to another billion dollar Obamcare boondoggle.
And Obama will say he created all these jobs, where people play Pictionary and sleep all day! http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/go ... 46-8560-1cf549e7af2a.html
Posted on: 2014/5/16 10:54
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Monroe - thank you so much for elucidating us
Posted on: 2014/5/16 4:30
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The net gain of people now insured who weren't before is less than two million people, and of those the number the new enrollees who are young and healthy is tiny.
In the end, it will have been far cheaper to just have the govt pay the healthcare premium for the uninsured outright. This will be the biggest political and public policy failure in the history of the USA, and it's all on Obama and the Democrats. Every bit of it. (And who said 'conservitards'? Don't you know its insulting, demeaning, rude, heartless, and un pc to use a version of 'retards'?) That will get you stripped of your looney left street cred in a Chilltown second.
Posted on: 2014/5/16 3:06
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hero69 wrote: So, they made buying insurance compulsory, they forced people off their old policies , - and even with that they failed to reach their goal, - and that is what you are celebrating as a great victory, eh? "Hurray, they failed by merely 10-20%, not, like, 30%!" Quote: hero69 wrote: It depends on what his goals are. If all the promises that he made, - saving the money, keeping the doctor and the policy that we like and so on, - if those were important to him, than yeah, ditching the system is logical. On the other hand, if those promises were just the biggest consumer fraud in the US history, and his plan was to make as many people as possible dependent on the government for their medical needs, well, yeah, then he should bravely charge ahead, and let the other shoe fall, - for those who buy insurance via the employer. Here is a question for you, - which one of the two do you think it was? Well, of course that should be postponed until after the elections. By the way, what's your explanation, - why did His Majesty suspended those pieces of the most glorious law? Quote: hero69 wrote: Yeah, yeah, and every antisemite in the old USSR had a very close friend who was a jew and who agreed with whatnot inane statement as required. Anyways, as I said pretty soon you will be able to enthuse about your new insurance as well. I can hardly wait.
Posted on: 2014/5/16 2:53
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guess what, i read that 80-90% of enrollees {large insurers) are paying their premiums ....yay/ what say the naysayers who were crying about 67%
Posted on: 2014/5/8 17:42
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so monroe, i guess obama should just ditch the whole system because he did not generate the $2,500 number?
Posted on: 2014/5/6 22:14
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well, she was against it, agaisnt it, against it..ran around the office trying to rally support against...asking us to sign petitions, call our congresspeople..well, when she couldn't find another job and needed healthcare, she signed up for obamacare which is cheaper than cobra.
at the end of the day, who cares about the $2,500 savings. I care MORE about having health insurance
Posted on: 2014/5/6 22:12
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Of course there are always people who are for it. But we were promised an average $2,500/family decrease with equal benefits. And it's not true, even remotely. Which is why so many people (yes, Americans of every party) hate it.
Posted on: 2014/5/6 22:07
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Conservtards are so really. I say it again I know this person who railed and railed against ObanaCare. Giess what. Now she;'s using it enthusiastically.
Posted on: 2014/5/6 22:04
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The COBRA payments are the employer cost, plus a small administrative fee. By law COBRA premiums can be no more than 102% of the cost that active participants (or the employer, on their behalf) pay.
Posted on: 2014/5/6 21:57
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Pebs, the whole con game is built on younger, healthy payees putting in to cover the older and the sick. Since revenue is off by 33% (ie people who signed up who have not paid), and fewer younger people than we were told have signed up, the whole thing is a house of cards that's either going to collapse, or have costs go through the roof. But take solace-it's all because of your party! The Dems own this turd.
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So essentially, because the opposition party has better marketing, ACA is a failure. Gotcha. At least it's established that you have no real argument against it...
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I don't think comparing COBRA costs to Obamacare are a true comparison-how much was the former employer cost-that's the true comparison, no?
Posted on: 2014/5/6 18:14
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My wife just got the COBRA notice from her former employer. The COBRA premium for family coverage is over $1800/month! The exchange Silver plans are about half that. Even the Gold and Platinum plans are cheaper.
I assume the employer coverage is superior in some way to justify the higher premiums. But thanks to the ACA, we have a much more affordable option.
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The majority of Americans don't and didn't want this, and continue to feel the same way.
Obama's popularity is at an all time low, and his 'signature' achievement has a lot to do with this. We were flat out lied to by our POTUS on this program-now we know that many of the insured were dropped by their plans and had to join, a third of signups HAVEN'T PAID A PENNY, the numbers of the young signup ups is lower than predicted, and the tens of millions of uninsured hasn't really changed. Some success.
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Many people did keep their plan, myself included. You have been betting on the results of this for months. You didn?t think they would get the sign-up numbers. They did. You can bet on decreasing costs for the majority of Americans, but with the numbers they have, overall costs should go down. Stick with your tired meme about it being a failure though? Quote:
In short: You?ve got nothing. Way to come to a gun fight with spork? As much as I?m not a fan of the Huffington Post, that article went out of its way to try and argue that ACA is a failure and couldn?t. It is absolutely hysterical how some can continue to trot out the same old meme in the face of facts?then again there are people that think the earth is flat.
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I only submit my backup for those that are worthy of it. You flatter yourself if you think you and your quote from the Puffington Host blog are worthy.
Posted on: 2014/5/6 0:48
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If Pebs is right, we will see an overall decrease in costs for the majority of Americans. If she's wrong, we won't.
Wanna bet on the result? Keep your plan? Oops, didn't work. Keep your doctor? Oops, didn't work. Save an average of $2,500/family? Oops, didn't work. All lies. Middle class benefit? Oops, didn't work.
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Conversely, if you keep saying a duck is a dog, a duck will be a dog. The biggest argument that this is a failure is that there were website problems. This, usually an argument made by someone that doesn't understand IT in the remotest sense, is about as pathetic an argument as any. HuffPo Quote: ? According to a recent Gallup survey, the number of uninsured Americans dropped from high of 18 percent in 2013 to a low of 14.5 percent at the end of March. For states that have set up their own insurance marketplaces and expanded Medicaid, the number of uninsured has dropped even lower -- to 13.6 percent. Those numbers will continue to decrease later in the year, with the next open-enrollment period and with more people signing up for Medicaid under the ACA's expansion provisions. Maybe next time you click that "Submit" button after typing up a post you'll have something to back up whatever worthless opinion you want to droll out.
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If you consider Obamacare a success I'd hate to see what the failed version would have been. Oy vey.
Just goes to show that if you set the bar low enough then anything is a success.
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Well, yeah, aside from the fact that Obamacare has been a success thus far and more people signed up for it than anticipated. I think it is a good meme that Republicans continue to trot out dead horses to beat. It continues to remind everyone with two brain cells rubbing together that it is the party that has no clue.
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No, just for the people who were lied to about a $2,500/year savings per family and being able to keep their plan and doctor, and voted to elect Obama on those lies. Which is why, as people finally come to this conclusion, that Obama's ratings are the worst in his Presidency. And why any Democrat running is running away from him.
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