nyrgravey9 wrote:
Dtjc, That's what weak-minded and insecure individuals do. They shout their viewpoints, call racism and whatever -ism on opposing viewpoints, and then run and hide when challenged.

See, I choose to be around people who disagree with me because I'm not afraid to be challenged. You, and apparently, user, prefer the comfort of group think and sheep mentality. That's not a value judgment, just an observation.

That said, I welcome the haters and -ism folks more than those you think I align with (you'd be surprised to find I really don't align with any of you).

But so far, all I see from you open-minded progressive folks is opposition, close minded mess and excuses.

I find Pebble to be the most intellectually savvy and interesting person on here, and he/she isn't above a little in person chat so why not you folks?

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I wouldn't care to have beer with anyone who's views I considered to be morally repugnant. Did you expect any other answer?

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Awww I'm bummed, not even a no from User. Figured as much. More beer for everyone else!

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So, User, is that a no?

dtjcview wrote:
I wouldn't care to have beer with anyone who's views I considered to be morally repugnant. Did you expect any other answer?

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Awww I'm bummed, not even a no from User. Figured as much. More beer for everyone else!

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So, User, is that a no?

Monroe wrote:
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dtjcview wrote:
I wouldn't care to have beer with anyone who's views I considered to be morally repugnant. Did you expect any other answer?

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Awww I'm bummed, not even a no from User. Figured as much. More beer for everyone else!

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So, User, is that a no?

I'll bet that's what Obama thinks, not being self realized enough to know that he won his election by a small percentage of Americans. He acts as if he's only the POTUS for the left, not the nation.

dtjcview wrote:
I wouldn't care to have beer with anyone who's views I considered to be morally repugnant. Did you expect any other answer?

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Awww I'm bummed, not even a no from User. Figured as much. More beer for everyone else!

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So, User, is that a no?

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Awww I'm bummed, not even a no from User. Figured as much. More beer for everyone else!

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So, User, is that a no?

nyrgravey9 wrote:
So, User, is that a no?

Monroe wrote:
lol, lose the argument, run away, and shout 'racist' over your shoulder while scurrying for the hills.

(Oh, by the way, I'm not a JC resident, but I spend a lot of time at my g/f's, who is. I'm one of those people paying insanely high taxes because my town supports JC schools!) My high school has a 98.6% graduation rate, btw, and spends 5K less per student than JC!

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I apologize for putting the entitlement word into your mouth. However, you clearly care about this issue, enough to post on it several times and do independent reading. And you've also made your opinion known that you don't believe in the existence of any cultural problems in that community.

I'm assuming you are not ok with the current status quo of that group languishing at the bottom of the country in all aspects, and then committing the vast majority of all violent crimes as a result (such as the carjacking why this thread was created).

My ideas are simple, blacks have been screwed to be placed in their current situation, but if they fix what is in their control - such as what was discussed in the last article I posted - this will go a long way towards bettering their lot. Instead of simply throwing around the n-word (narrative), do you actually have any ideas for change?

I think you are an idiot, I live in a a 50% black area in GV and all my neighbors are professionals.

Where I live, my neighbors are retired military folks, school teachers, a principal and a pilot. Blacks come in different shapes and sizes just as any other race.

You need to travel more, you are confusing black culture with ghetto culture. I was just in Maplewood which has a high black population and none of the streets look like MLK or Ocean ave because its not ghetto and they never suffered from corrupt govt as JC has over the last 2 decades.

Why are you lumping an entire race of people with this story?

Tell that to the transgendered black woman murdered in Maplewood a year or two ago, the shopkeeper on Springfield Avenue shot last year, the woman at the church that suffered a near fatal beat down then got fired because she couldn't perform-all from thugs from east of Maplewood.

Lets call it what it is, you are a racist prick living in JC., You and your two buddies should just start a thread "I hate blacks and homos". That is all.

The intolerance of those who demand tolerance amuses me.

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I apologize for putting the entitlement word into your mouth. However, you clearly care about this issue, enough to post on it several times and do independent reading. And you've also made your opinion known that you don't believe in the existence of any cultural problems in that community.

I'm assuming you are not ok with the current status quo of that group languishing at the bottom of the country in all aspects, and then committing the vast majority of all violent crimes as a result (such as the carjacking why this thread was created).

My ideas are simple, blacks have been screwed to be placed in their current situation, but if they fix what is in their control - such as what was discussed in the last article I posted - this will go a long way towards bettering their lot. Instead of simply throwing around the n-word (narrative), do you actually have any ideas for change?

I think you are an idiot, I live in a a 50% black area in GV and all my neighbors are professionals.

Where I live, my neighbors are retired military folks, school teachers, a principal and a pilot. Blacks come in different shapes and sizes just as any other race.

You need to travel more, you are confusing black culture with ghetto culture. I was just in Maplewood which has a high black population and none of the streets look like MLK or Ocean ave because its not ghetto and they never suffered from corrupt govt as JC has over the last 2 decades.

Why are you lumping an entire race of people with this story?

Tell that to the transgendered black woman murdered in Maplewood a year or two ago, the shopkeeper on Springfield Avenue shot last year, the woman at the church that suffered a near fatal beat down then got fired because she couldn't perform-all from thugs from east of Maplewood.

Lets call it what it is, you are a racist prick living in JC., You and your two buddies should just start a thread "I hate blacks and homos". That is all.

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I apologize for putting the entitlement word into your mouth. However, you clearly care about this issue, enough to post on it several times and do independent reading. And you've also made your opinion known that you don't believe in the existence of any cultural problems in that community.

I'm assuming you are not ok with the current status quo of that group languishing at the bottom of the country in all aspects, and then committing the vast majority of all violent crimes as a result (such as the carjacking why this thread was created).

My ideas are simple, blacks have been screwed to be placed in their current situation, but if they fix what is in their control - such as what was discussed in the last article I posted - this will go a long way towards bettering their lot. Instead of simply throwing around the n-word (narrative), do you actually have any ideas for change?

I think you are an idiot, I live in a a 50% black area in GV and all my neighbors are professionals.

Where I live, my neighbors are retired military folks, school teachers, a principal and a pilot. Blacks come in different shapes and sizes just as any other race.

You need to travel more, you are confusing black culture with ghetto culture. I was just in Maplewood which has a high black population and none of the streets look like MLK or Ocean ave because its not ghetto and they never suffered from corrupt govt as JC has over the last 2 decades.

Why are you lumping an entire race of people with this story?

Tell that to the transgendered black woman murdered in Maplewood a year or two ago, the shopkeeper on Springfield Avenue shot last year, the woman at the church that suffered a near fatal beat down then got fired because she couldn't perform-all from thugs from east of Maplewood.

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I apologize for putting the entitlement word into your mouth. However, you clearly care about this issue, enough to post on it several times and do independent reading. And you've also made your opinion known that you don't believe in the existence of any cultural problems in that community.

I'm assuming you are not ok with the current status quo of that group languishing at the bottom of the country in all aspects, and then committing the vast majority of all violent crimes as a result (such as the carjacking why this thread was created).

My ideas are simple, blacks have been screwed to be placed in their current situation, but if they fix what is in their control - such as what was discussed in the last article I posted - this will go a long way towards bettering their lot. Instead of simply throwing around the n-word (narrative), do you actually have any ideas for change?

I think you are an idiot, I live in a a 50% black area in GV and all my neighbors are professionals.

Where I live, my neighbors are retired military folks, school teachers, a principal and a pilot. Blacks come in different shapes and sizes just as any other race.

You need to travel more, you are confusing black culture with ghetto culture. I was just in Maplewood which has a high black population and none of the streets look like MLK or Ocean ave because its not ghetto and they never suffered from corrupt govt as JC has over the last 2 decades.

Why are you lumping an entire race of people with this story?

JCMan8 wrote:
I apologize for putting the entitlement word into your mouth. However, you clearly care about this issue, enough to post on it several times and do independent reading. And you've also made your opinion known that you don't believe in the existence of any cultural problems in that community.

I'm assuming you are not ok with the current status quo of that group languishing at the bottom of the country in all aspects, and then committing the vast majority of all violent crimes as a result (such as the carjacking why this thread was created).

My ideas are simple, blacks have been screwed to be placed in their current situation, but if they fix what is in their control - such as what was discussed in the last article I posted - this will go a long way towards bettering their lot. Instead of simply throwing around the n-word (narrative), do you actually have any ideas for change?

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Part of this has to do with the fathers getting arrested, but this is largely a cultural problem. Many black women feel no need to have a father figure for their kids or to get married. This NBC article does a GREAT job covering this issue.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39993685/ns ... others-rate/#.UraKGrQWmMM

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The legacy of segregation, the logic goes, means blacks are more likely to attend inferior schools. This creates a high proportion of blacks unprepared to compete for jobs in today's economy, where middle-class industrial work for unskilled laborers has largely disappeared.

The drug epidemic sent disproportionate numbers of black men to prison, and crushed the job opportunities for those who served their time. Women don't want to marry men who can't provide for their families, and welfare laws created a financial incentive for poor mothers to stay single.

Implies it's more down to poverty, discrimination and bad sentencing/welfare policies, than your notion of a "cultural problem".

Here's a related interesting read:
http://www.salon.com/2013/12/21/how_a ... ned_its_undeserving_poor/

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What would be a huge story would be if Chipster, Skippy, Trey, and Laird from Short Hills jumped in one of their dad's Jaguars, drove down Ocean Avenue, Lacoste polos with collars popped, and capped some innocent bystander with a legal Glock taken from a 200 year old mahogany nightstand. They were caught when the Quoddy boat shoe lost by one of the young men in the getaway was traced back to the last kept on file at the factory in Maine.

Now that would be a story!

I have no sympathy for criminals but if your scenario were true what are the chances that they would get the death penalty?

In New Jersey? 0%

Zero chance as well in Texas. There was that white teenage snot who killed four people while driving drunk. All he got was probation after his attorney successfully used the "affluenza" defense: the kid was too rich and spoiled to know the difference between right and wrong.

The point was that NJ doesn't have a death penalty

Yes, I got that. Just making an additional point that things aren't so cut and dried in the legal system; those who can afford it can buy their way out of a vehicular homicide charge even in a supposedly tough-on-crime state like Texas. Don't get me wrong, the four scumbags in this carjacking should be fully prosecuted and given maximum sentences - I have no sympathy for these losers.

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What would be a huge story would be if Chipster, Skippy, Trey, and Laird from Short Hills jumped in one of their dad's Jaguars, drove down Ocean Avenue, Lacoste polos with collars popped, and capped some innocent bystander with a legal Glock taken from a 200 year old mahogany nightstand. They were caught when the Quoddy boat shoe lost by one of the young men in the getaway was traced back to the last kept on file at the factory in Maine.

Now that would be a story!

I have no sympathy for criminals but if your scenario were true what are the chances that they would get the death penalty?

In New Jersey? 0%

Zero chance as well in Texas. There was that white teenage snot who killed four people while driving drunk. All he got was probation after his attorney successfully used the "affluenza" defense: the kid was too rich and spoiled to know the difference between right and wrong.

The point was that NJ doesn't have a death penalty

Yes, I got that. Just making an additional point that things aren't so cut and dried in the legal system; those who can afford it can buy their way out of a vehicular homicide charge even in a supposedly tough-on-crime state like Texas. Don't get me wrong, the four scumbags in this carjacking should be fully prosecuted and given maximum sentences - I have no sympathy for these losers.

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What would be a huge story would be if Chipster, Skippy, Trey, and Laird from Short Hills jumped in one of their dad's Jaguars, drove down Ocean Avenue, Lacoste polos with collars popped, and capped some innocent bystander with a legal Glock taken from a 200 year old mahogany nightstand. They were caught when the Quoddy boat shoe lost by one of the young men in the getaway was traced back to the last kept on file at the factory in Maine.

Now that would be a story!

I have no sympathy for criminals but if your scenario were true what are the chances that they would get the death penalty?

In New Jersey? 0%

Zero chance as well in Texas. There was that white teenage snot who killed four people while driving drunk. All he got was probation after his attorney successfully used the "affluenza" defense: the kid was too rich and spoiled to know the difference between right and wrong.

The point was that NJ doesn't have a death penalty

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You're so right! Italians didn't mind being harvested as slaves, being used to build an entire nation's economy, or being denied basic human rights for a hundred years after emancipation. Why can't 'other people' be so understanding?

Godwin's law corollary on JCRaciaList.

You do know that blacks in Africa SOLD their brethren, yes?

And you do know it was whites who BOUGHT them, yes? They wouldn't have been sold if there wasn't a market for them in the first place. A bit like blaming Colombia or Mexico for the problem in the drug trade - the supplier wouldn't exist without the demand. Surely as a vociferous advocate of the free market, you understand such a basic relationship.

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You're so right! Italians didn't mind being harvested as slaves, being used to build an entire nation's economy, or being denied basic human rights for a hundred years after emancipation. Why can't 'other people' be so understanding?

Godwin's law corollary on JCRaciaList.

You do know that blacks in Africa SOLD their brethren, yes?

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What would be a huge story would be if Chipster, Skippy, Trey, and Laird from Short Hills jumped in one of their dad's Jaguars, drove down Ocean Avenue, Lacoste polos with collars popped, and capped some innocent bystander with a legal Glock taken from a 200 year old mahogany nightstand. They were caught when the Quoddy boat shoe lost by one of the young men in the getaway was traced back to the last kept on file at the factory in Maine.

Now that would be a story!

I have no sympathy for criminals but if your scenario were true what are the chances that they would get the death penalty?

In New Jersey? 0%

Zero chance as well in Texas. There was that white teenage snot who killed four people while driving drunk. All he got was probation after his attorney successfully used the "affluenza" defense: the kid was too rich and spoiled to know the difference between right and wrong.

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Monroe wrote:
What would be a huge story would be if Chipster, Skippy, Trey, and Laird from Short Hills jumped in one of their dad's Jaguars, drove down Ocean Avenue, Lacoste polos with collars popped, and capped some innocent bystander with a legal Glock taken from a 200 year old mahogany nightstand. They were caught when the Quoddy boat shoe lost by one of the young men in the getaway was traced back to the last kept on file at the factory in Maine.

Now that would be a story!

I have no sympathy for criminals but if your scenario were true what are the chances that they would get the death penalty?

In New Jersey? 0%

Vigilante wrote:
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Monroe wrote:
What would be a huge story would be if Chipster, Skippy, Trey, and Laird from Short Hills jumped in one of their dad's Jaguars, drove down Ocean Avenue, Lacoste polos with collars popped, and capped some innocent bystander with a legal Glock taken from a 200 year old mahogany nightstand. They were caught when the Quoddy boat shoe lost by one of the young men in the getaway was traced back to the last kept on file at the factory in Maine.

Now that would be a story!

I have no sympathy for criminals but if your scenario were true what are the chances that they would get the death penalty?