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We live in different Hamilton Parks.
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Posted on: 2013/11/9 15:26
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And if the pregnant lady is crossing where there isn't a speed camera?
Very few people are going faster than 25 in that area...and people get hit over there because of all the blind spots. Jersey and 8th is a great example of that. And, there is frequently a cop on Manila by the school stopping people racing down. We already pay the police. You want to stop people from speeding over there? Fix getting to the tunnel and move things along on Marin, with the proposed pedestrian bridge in the new condo place across from the mall. The whole HP area is a conduit for emergencies because it's how you get to and from Hoboken and JC Medical Centers.
Posted on: 2013/11/8 21:37
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When your pregnant wife gets hit near Hamilton Park by a car travelling 25+mph, you might feel different. Anyone doing 25mph anywhere near HP is driving insanely fast.
Posted on: 2013/11/7 22:04
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Yeah, because the whole problem in JC and NJ is not enough money in the public trough to pay no-show public employees and grow the bureaucracy.
It's moronic to have speed cameras...the pregnant wife is the perfect example of why. Secondly, red light cameras cause more accidents. This would be the same- breaking at the last second. And many NJ speed limits are abitrarily low. Drive through one of the hundreds of two-bit NJ bergs with 25mph on state highways and tell me how it should be "follow the law." Red light cameras need to be banned as well.
Posted on: 2013/11/7 21:34
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Hey, I'd love speed cameras. I'm simply explaining that they illegal in NJ and some of the traffic behaviors that have occurred in places where they have been implemented.
Posted on: 2013/10/28 14:43
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+1 Brewster. The UK studies are typically the most quoted (by the motorists lobby) in saying speed cameras fail to reduce accidents. However, the UK latest studies, show they actually do work. http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2013/ju ... -reduce-serious-accidents. Most of JC is a 25 mph zone. There should be NO large fluctuations in speed, except perhaps braking to 15 for a school zone.
Posted on: 2013/10/27 23:41
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By this tortured reasoning, we should abolish troopers on the highway, since everyone jams on their brakes when they see one, no doubt causing all sorts of accidents (I've never understood why people panic and brake when they see the flashing lights of a cop with a victim pulled over). When you shoot down every reasonable attempt to control traffic, you will drive the development of traffic drones or satellite linked black boxes in your car reporting on your obedience to the laws. That said, there needs to be good faith in the implementation of these, no gotchas like 3 mph over or the way the warning sign is hidden behind a pole on Jersey & 18th Southbound. But I hope the people that gridlock that intersection in the evening rush all get tickets.
Posted on: 2013/10/27 22:13
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These are legal because the signs are driver feedback signs only. They do not capture the actual speeder and issue a summons for the speed violation.
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No, he's right. Speed cameras also have this effect on traffic, unfortunately as people can figure out where they are and will speed/not speed when going in and out of ranges - major speed fluctuations occur and can lead to crashes.
Posted on: 2013/10/27 21:48
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Seeing that you're talking about red light cameras if they race through the yellow fine if they make it if not they the camera will catch them in the act. As far as stopping abruptly let the driver beware 'cause they shouldn't be taligating in the first place.
Posted on: 2013/10/27 12:34
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Get on your bikes and ride !
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I think you have speed cameras confused with red light cameras.
Posted on: 2013/10/27 5:21
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I'm ambivalent on speed cameras, but there's a lot of evidence that speed cameras actually increase accidents and deaths rather than decrease them because drivers suddenly stop or increase speed through yellow lights. They definitely generate revenue, but it would not be good if they did so at the expense of safety.
Posted on: 2013/10/25 21:31
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These Radar Speed Signs are legal in NJ. Seems as if they are also effective - interestingly enough, effectiveness increases over time (a few years): http://www.ci.bellevue.wa.us/pdf/Tran ... adar_sign_report_2009.pdf http://www.stopspeeders.org/options.htm#Radar http://www.informationdisplay.com/htt ... ming-research-studies.php And it seems as if the signs are already in use in a limited fashion Jersey City, but not too surprisingly for JC, placed in non-sensible locations... http://jclist.com/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=256468 We could do with more of them - in the right locations. The report from Bellevue lists lessons learned to take into consideration for placement.
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Sure it would. But you'd have to make them legal in the state first.
Posted on: 2013/10/25 1:00
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They've been in JC for a few years now. Does nothing too help speeding. Actually, my observation is that it increases speeding and drivers trying to beat the light. The crash data shows that red light cameras can also affect the amount of fear end crashes as well, at least that's what the data in the first year of their operation shows. Could be it will go down as drivers adjust to them.
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I like those, and would be in favor of sprinkling them across JC... But if they are banned in NJ as later posters have suggested it may be a mute point - at least in the short term. Seems as if Hoboken has had success with reducing speed through those signs that tell you how fast you are driving. http://www.nj.com/hobokennow/index.ss ... ds_speed_sign_system.html While probably (but who knows) not as effective as mobile speed cameras (and would not bring in in any money) it would be interesting to see if it had any lasting effect on traffic calming - when in position on a particular street and any remaining effect after the sign has been moved to a different location. Based on success elsewhere it would be worthwhile to carry out a pilot in Jersey City.
Posted on: 2013/10/23 19:58
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Coworker of mine got two tickets via red light cameras. 1st one he admitted he rolled through the stop. The other he came to complete stop (multiple photos showed he did), but still got a ticket. It was a legal right turn on red intersection. Wasn't worth the effort to fight it in court, especially since he would have to go all the way to Newark. He just went ahead and paid the ticket.
Posted on: 2013/10/23 15:36
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Yep, 18th and Jersey. Turns out there's around 10 known red light cameras in JC.
http://www.photoenforced.com/new-jersey.html
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Red light cameras ARE legal in NJ, and it looks like they're starting to use them in JC.
http://www.njjcpd.org/node/7 I suspect there's already one installed at 18th and Jersey Aves.
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Are you trying to win understatement of the year with "going to court is not as convenient" ??
Posted on: 2013/10/23 14:41
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/r ... -cameras-20-years-on.html
When he left the police in 1999, he reckons public opinion was still on his side. ?At no time did I prosecute below 40mph in a 30mph,? he says. ?To do so at 32mph is ridiculous ? and they wonder why there?s a backlash against speed cameras.? Prosecution numbers track the gatso?s journey from safety device to ?scamera? in the eyes of many drivers. In 2000, according to Home Office figures, just under 600,000 motorists were caught speeding by cameras in England and Wales. In 2007 that figure had shot up to 1.8?million, which, at ?60 a pop, represented an annual income of more than ?100 million. According to Reynolds, the camera?s downfall started in 2000 when the so-called ?netting off? system allowed local authorities to receive a percentage of revenue from their cameras. Local police and councils joined forces to form safety camera partnerships, picking out sites which the government would then fund. It meant camera numbers multiplied from 1,600 in 2000 to 4,737 in 2007, according to AA figures. But the partnerships hadn?t factored in the effectiveness of the cameras. ?When you put a camera in, the number of speeders always reduces. Suddenly there?s no money coming in, so they drop the trigger speed from 38mph to 35mph to pay the bills,? says Reynolds. ?What good did that do but alienate the public?? This has been the public's response to the speed cameras: 
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The cop that issued that ticket should be ashamed of himself. That was an escort to the hospital and a good luck to mom and dad.
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Not kidding. The county engineering folks told me this. No idea how to work on the law at the state level.
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Just like I did when I got a red light ticket in the mail while taking my pregnant wife to the hospital (turned right on red without making a complete stop). You go to court and show proof that you were in the hospital that day. Its not as convenient as telling a cop, but I also didn't get delayed by a cop stopping me that night.
Posted on: 2013/10/23 11:17
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Has anyone here even driven a car before? I'm starting to think no.
I'm not advocating that a person drive 50 down a 25 mph lane but obeying the speed limit would mean driving 30 in a 25 MPH is a violation - especially if an inanimate object enforces speeding. Also, if you have a medical emergency - ie. wife is pregnant - are you going to give that person a ticket? http://host-29.242.54.159.gannett.com ... pregnant-wife-to-hospital If there is no cop, how do I tell the camera that my wife is pregnant...
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You are kidding! How did that happen?! How can someone agitate to get that overturned?
Posted on: 2013/10/23 1:07
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well, MarkCore, seems to me that they were effective in raising revenues which is not a bad. If people don't want to pay more, then DON"T speed.
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Having lived in England for years, I'm very against speed cameras.
People know where the cameras are (even SATNAV systems show it), so you speed, and then slow down for the 50 feet the camera is looking at, then speed up again. They are just there to get more money out of citizens and aren't effective.
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Unfortunately, NJ has a law against speed cameras. Which sucks. I'd love to see them put in place here in JC.
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Easier to have one camera moved around multiple locations... http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/loca ... ations-for-next-two-weeks
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