bloodtv wrote:
I do not post often but when I do...to me its important. This person is a complete idiot. First of all I moved to JC from Park Slope in near the beginning of the previous decade. I worked in Manhattan and the average time it took me to get home was nearly 2hrs (Yes, waiting for a local, to catch the F train the F. Hamilton or 7th Avenue...two places I've lived). NO WAY did it ever take the same amount of time to get from NYC to JC. I love that from Wall St. it takes me around 20 min to get to Journal Square. In the evening when everything runs slower...yes it does take longer...but that's anywhere you go.

As for "galleries, etc." Greenpoint and Bushwick have been trying to be Williamsburg & Park Slope for years...the areas near public transportation are far from safe...and the trains to those stops that frequent these neighborhoods run through 'shaky' nabes where one should always be alert. Plenty of places have opened and closed during the brief period where I was looking for another possible place to live or checking out music or a gallery. It's just not gonna happen there.

As for JC itself. The Journal Square area is a MESS, and has been ever since I moved to the heights in 03. Central Avenue has been deteriorating at a steady clip where not even some dollar stores can stay open. And don't get me started about Stop n Shop and their staff's inability to mark items...or to honor sales in flyers. As for the Grove St. area, I'm pleased with it...high priced food for little portions (this ain't Soho!), and bars that have uniquely bizarre rules in some taverns(Powerhouse anyone...and who joins a stodgy "Bar" membership for the priviliedge to drink there!!!) notwithstanding. In any case...it will be a slow climb...but we'll get there...much faster and further than Bushwick...and I can't stop laughing at that poster's one-person need to flag that area! Please. Of course rents are low...they're trying to get people into places no one in their right mind would live.

ianmac47 wrote:
Please stop comparing Jersey City to Bushwick. It only reveals your ignorance and is unfair to both Jersey City and to Bushwick.

1. Bushwick is significantly cheaper, by 10 to 20% less than downtown's brownstone neighborhoods.

2. The Myrtle-Wyckoff station which is much deeper in Bushwick than is necessary to find rents far below Jersey City, is only about 15 to 18 minutes from 14th Street. PATH can't do that. Also, the M gets Bushwick residents to many more destinations in midtown with a one stop ride.

3. Subway stations are closer together. The cheapest rents in Jersey City are along the fringe downtown -- Brunswick Ave, out on the west end of the numbered streets -- and walking to the PATH adds 10 to 15 minutes to a trip anywhere. The close proximity of subway stations means more housing available immediately adjacent to the station, and a 15 minute walk usual means passing more than one other subway station.

4. The arts scene is significantly more developed with many more full time galleries.


Its much more fair to compare Jersey City to Park Slope, Prospect Heights or Fort Greene, in which case Jersey City is in a very good position.

Both Jersey City and those areas of Brooklyn are more focused on the stroller set. The idea of hipster Jersey City is pretty much dead, as evidenced by the high number of recently opened child care facilities. But Jersey City is significantly less expensive than those parts of Brooklyn.

When it comes to travel distance, Jersey City and Park Slope / Prospect Heights / Fort Greene are roughly equal. True Park Slope has limited access to subways, mostly the F train, or a good long walk to the 2-3-4-5; Fort Greene is actually fairly isolated, and most of the neighborhood includes a serious walk to the subway; even Prospect Heights with the best access to the subway, is several stations further out. Realistically, Jersey City probably has better, faster access to much of Manhattan over those neighborhoods, albeit on the PATH.

Jersey City and those Brooklyn neighborhoods are also attracting older, more established middle aged professionals. Jersey City is no longer affordable for the new college grads or the young people just beginning their careers -- the people who are moving to places like Bushwick or Crown Heights now. But Jersey City does have more space and better amenities than is available in Park Slope, Fort Greene, and Prospect heights, and for some people the choice to live in a larger home is more important than location.

Additionally, the general cost of living tends to be less than in Park Slope / Fort Greene / Prospect Heights, although this a marginal difference.

So in either case, please stop comparing Jersey City to Bushwick, its simply not an equivalent comparison.

Sutherland wrote:
I suspect the publicity is coming from the developers. Unfortunately, the articles are being a bit misleading with regard to the price of homes in general. It seems there's an intimation that there are plenty of brownstones downtown for approximately $600,000.00. The vast majority of brownstones downtown are going for $1mm and there's very little inventory.

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Ian, the ride from Grove to 14th street is 15 minutes, not sure what you mean by Path can't do that.

I'd like to see that happen just once.

I've never gotten to 14th Street in more than 15 minutes, unless there was a rare massive problem like police activity or something.

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Dahood wrote:
Who wants the mega rich to live here. Educated White collar professionals are moving to the area. With all the violent crime that happens there, Greenville and Bergen Lafayette are closer to Newark and Irvington than DTJC.

Once again separating yourself from a neighborhood that is in your backyard shows me who you are and how pathetic your reality is. So you and your buddy can shit on Bushwick or East New York but guess what these places are in New York City with a NYC zip code, and the both of you are not LMAO.

When NYC local news reports a murder in Jersey City the reporter does not give a specific location of the area the reporter usually reports a murder happened in Jersey City not Greenville.

The only news source that does that is the Jersey Journal to keep scared white people interested in DTJC.
I have been a resident of Greenville for 3 years and love it. I don't buy into the idiotic scare tactics of the Jersey Journal or the Hating on my neighborhood by a$$holes because he fears his property values may go down. FYI the white collar workers are already flocking to GV and BL but the two of you have your head so far up your ass to know it. Have a great weekend shopping on Newark ave.

immigrationlawyer wrote:
Have to agree with tommyc_37. No more than 15 minutes elapses from the time I step on the Path train at Grove to the time I step off the Path train at 14th St.

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Ian, the ride from Grove to 14th street is 15 minutes, not sure what you mean by Path can't do that.

I'd like to see that happen just once.

I've never gotten to 14th Street in more than 15 minutes, unless there was a rare massive problem like police activity or something.

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Ian, the ride from Grove to 14th street is 15 minutes, not sure what you mean by Path can't do that.

I'd like to see that happen just once.

I've never gotten to 14th Street in more than 15 minutes, unless there was a rare massive problem like police activity or something.

vindication15 wrote:

Do I need to bring puppets into this discussion?

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Ian, the ride from Grove to 14th street is 15 minutes, not sure what you mean by Path can't do that.

I'd like to see that happen just once.

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vindication15 wrote:

No one made that comment comparing JERSEY CITY TO BUSHWICK I am comparing Greenville to Bushwick

Actually, RUinHamiltonPark did, but I forgot you are basically illiterate.

"RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
It still boggles my mind that anyone would choose a place like Bushwick over DTJC when it costs the same"

I'm not sure why you would compare Greenville to Bushwick. Greenville is a lot more like East New York or Carnarsie or East Flatbush, except that all of those neighborhoods have a subway directly to Manhattan and Greenville doesn't.

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No one made that comment comparing JERSEY CITY TO BUSHWICK I am comparing Greenville to Bushwick

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Ian, the ride from Grove to 14th street is 15 minutes, not sure what you mean by Path can't do that.

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Dahood wrote:
I welcome the NYC folks. Thats the only way my home value is going to go up!

common sense on this board is refreshing...very refreshing.

True, but there's common sense on both sides here. An influx of New Yorkers drives homeowners values up, and renters' rents up. Owners are understandably excited by this, renters understandably nervous.

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Dahood wrote:
I welcome the NYC folks. Thats the only way my home value is going to go up!

common sense on this board is refreshing...very refreshing.

Dahood wrote:
I welcome the NYC folks. Thats the only way my home value is going to go up!

nyrgravey9 wrote:
I don't get why anyone is arguing with these NYers, JC doesn't need douchebag investment bankers and other asswads messing up what we have here.

To the NYers reading this, this article is fiction. JC is a wasteland, don't come here. All of JC is begging you to stay where you are.

You're better off where you are.

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It still boggles my mind that anyone would choose a place like Bushwick over DTJC when it costs the same...granted the PATH is nothing to write home about, but the extra 5-10 minutes late night is worth it for a much safer, cleaner, serviced, neighborhood.

I have been to BK many times, I don't get it. The best places in BK to live are off the beaten path, others are overpriced and full of hipsters, and the rest are unsafe and grimey.

I STILL don't get how people can't understand this.

People in NYC would live ANYWHERE in NYC rather than go to Jersey City. JC is like the banished wasteland from Judge Dredd.

RUinHamiltonPark wrote:
It still boggles my mind that anyone would choose a place like Bushwick over DTJC when it costs the same...granted the PATH is nothing to write home about, but the extra 5-10 minutes late night is worth it for a much safer, cleaner, serviced, neighborhood.

I have been to BK many times, I don't get it. The best places in BK to live are off the beaten path, others are overpriced and full of hipsters, and the rest are unsafe and grimey.

ianmac47 wrote:
Please stop comparing Jersey City to Bushwick. It only reveals your ignorance and is unfair to both Jersey City and to Bushwick.

1. Bushwick is significantly cheaper, by 10 to 20% less than downtown's brownstone neighborhoods.

2. The Myrtle-Wyckoff station which is much deeper in Bushwick than is necessary to find rents far below Jersey City, is only about 15 to 18 minutes from 14th Street. PATH can't do that. Also, the M gets Bushwick residents to many more destinations in midtown with a one stop ride.

3. Subway stations are closer together. The cheapest rents in Jersey City are along the fringe downtown -- Brunswick Ave, out on the west end of the numbered streets -- and walking to the PATH adds 10 to 15 minutes to a trip anywhere. The close proximity of subway stations means more housing available immediately adjacent to the station, and a 15 minute walk usual means passing more than one other subway station.

4. The arts scene is significantly more developed with many more full time galleries.


Its much more fair to compare Jersey City to Park Slope, Prospect Heights or Fort Greene, in which case Jersey City is in a very good position.

Both Jersey City and those areas of Brooklyn are more focused on the stroller set. The idea of hipster Jersey City is pretty much dead, as evidenced by the high number of recently opened child care facilities. But Jersey City is significantly less expensive than those parts of Brooklyn.

When it comes to travel distance, Jersey City and Park Slope / Prospect Heights / Fort Greene are roughly equal. True Park Slope has limited access to subways, mostly the F train, or a good long walk to the 2-3-4-5; Fort Greene is actually fairly isolated, and most of the neighborhood includes a serious walk to the subway; even Prospect Heights with the best access to the subway, is several stations further out. Realistically, Jersey City probably has better, faster access to much of Manhattan over those neighborhoods, albeit on the PATH.

Jersey City and those Brooklyn neighborhoods are also attracting older, more established middle aged professionals. Jersey City is no longer affordable for the new college grads or the young people just beginning their careers -- the people who are moving to places like Bushwick or Crown Heights now. But Jersey City does have more space and better amenities than is available in Park Slope, Fort Greene, and Prospect heights, and for some people the choice to live in a larger home is more important than location.

Additionally, the general cost of living tends to be less than in Park Slope / Fort Greene / Prospect Heights, although this a marginal difference.

So in either case, please stop comparing Jersey City to Bushwick, its simply not an equivalent comparison.

Dahood wrote:
Who wants the mega rich to live here. Educated White collar professionals are moving to the area. With all the violent crime that happens there, Greenville and Bergen Lafayette are closer to Newark and Irvington than DTJC.