nafco wrote:

Good plan. Lets tear down the one building with character on Newark and replace it with pavers, when Grove Plaza is literally 2 blocks away. Thank God not everyone is allowed to be an urban planner.

nyrgravey9 wrote:
Vindi, you know I'm a fan. But I want to play Devil's advocate on some of your points.

1. Your property value point is a good one, got nothing against that idea (except I rent, so when values go up, my rent goes up, but that's my problem). And like you said, it's not a race question. Saying you want an area to be less ghetto may imply race to some, but I get your point. There are ghetto types of all races hanging around and they don't add anything to the community.

2. there's actually a pretty good amount of homeless/vagabond (yeah I used that word hahah) types on washington st begging and bother people. It may not be as prominent as Newark ave, but that's also because there's a halfway house near Newark if I remember correctly. Change the stores all you want, you'll still have these types hanging out. Agreed?

3. I can only speak for myself when I say Hoboken can keep its Cake Boss show. I shutter to think of a store like that on Newark ave with it's ridiculous lines for sub standard pastries. And most of the restaurants on Newark/Grove have a pretty healthy crowds most nights. Parts of Brooklyn have it right, and have avoided cookie cutter, Hoboken-style businesses. Brooklyn has a healthy balance of grit and glitter. We can do that too. Let Hoboken be Hoboken. Let DTJC be its own thing.

4. Like another poster said, these 99 cent stores have been there forever. Clearly they're filling a need (unless they're fronts for drug dealers. I dont know). We should focus on filling in the empty spots before talking about getting rid of existing businesses.

Like I said, just trying to explore both sides of the coin here. I've got no magic solutions on this one. But ultimately, the community will decide.


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vindication15 wrote:
haha. you people are funny. Okay, let me respond to some of these ridiculous posts

To MikeyTBC, you mentioned race - I never mentioned race in any of my posts. I don't care if you are white, asian, latino, black, martian - the act of shopping at these stores is cheap and cheapness and ghettoness brings down my property values, which is really all I care about and what all of you should care about.

Speaking of property values, you know why DTJC's priemer street, it's famed "restaurant row" should be more like streets in manhattan and washington street in hoboken? Simply put, the properties in those areas sell for more. You can come with the usual "blandness" "douchiness" "cookie-cutter" terms. They mean nothing in the real world because the bottom line is money and the fact is those places are worth more than our properties.

In comparing us to washington st in hoboken, just ask yourself these questions:

Are there more homeless people harassing people on washington street or newark ave?

Are there more abandoned properties/torn down/empty lots on washington street or newark ave?

Which properties, on average, cost more?

Where is there more of a nightlife at night? Where are NYCers more likely to go if they venture out of the city?

Is there a tv show based on a store in hoboken (cake boss) or one in dtjc?


Also, posting pics of one 99 cents tore in manhattan does nothing to prove your point user. There are literally 3-4 99 cent/discount cheapo stores within a 4 block radius on newark's famed restaurant row. Unacceptable

ripple wrote:
Newark between Grove st. and just past Erie st. could be turned into a pedestrian mall, with large outdoor seating areas for the restaurants on the block. If the city could purchase and demolish the Morlee's building, the intersection of Bay, Newark, and Erie could be turned into some sort of fountain garden plaza type thing to anchor the pedestrian mall. Not gonna happen anytime super soon but I think it would be cool if it happened someday.

vindication15 wrote:

the act of shopping at these stores is cheap and cheapness and ghettoness brings down my property values, which is really all I care about and what all of you should care about.

vindication15 wrote:
haha. you people are funny. Okay, let me respond to some of these ridiculous posts

To MikeyTBC, you mentioned race - I never mentioned race in any of my posts. I don't care if you are white, asian, latino, black, martian - the act of shopping at these stores is cheap and cheapness and ghettoness brings down my property values, which is really all I care about and what all of you should care about.

Speaking of property values, you know why DTJC's priemer street, it's famed "restaurant row" should be more like streets in manhattan and washington street in hoboken? Simply put, the properties in those areas sell for more. You can come with the usual "blandness" "douchiness" "cookie-cutter" terms. They mean nothing in the real world because the bottom line is money and the fact is those places are worth more than our properties.

In comparing us to washington st in hoboken, just ask yourself these questions:

Are there more homeless people harassing people on washington street or newark ave?

Are there more abandoned properties/torn down/empty lots on washington street or newark ave?

Which properties, on average, cost more?

Where is there more of a nightlife at night? Where are NYCers more likely to go if they venture out of the city?

Is there a tv show based on a store in hoboken (cake boss) or one in dtjc?


Also, posting pics of one 99 cents tore in manhattan does nothing to prove your point user. There are literally 3-4 99 cent/discount cheapo stores within a 4 block radius on newark's famed restaurant row. Unacceptable

vindication15 wrote:
I never mentioned race in any of my posts. I don't care if you are white, asian, latino, black, martian - the act of shopping at these stores is cheap and cheapness and ghettoness brings down my property values, which is really all I care about and what all of you should care about.

ripple wrote:
Newark between Grove st. and just past Erie st. could be turned into a pedestrian mall, with large outdoor seating areas for the restaurants on the block. If the city could purchase and demolish the Morlee's building, the intersection of Bay, Newark, and Erie could be turned into some sort of fountain garden plaza type thing to anchor the pedestrian mall. Not gonna happen anytime super soon but I think it would be cool if it happened someday.

HippieShowgirl wrote:
Growing up in Elizabeth, I remember, as a young/school-aged child in the mid-to-late '70s, all the retail stores on Broad Street being open one weeknight late, until maybe 9 or so -- and that my mom would oftentimes schedule a shopping outing on that weeknight. Hah, it was an "event" when we would go, I remember the fun energy -- um, now that I think about it, it probably helped make me the life-long shopoholic that I am. But I digress. In any event, I think that would totally work on Newark.

tommyc_37 wrote:
MUCH less, though. Newark Ave is desolate after 8pm, less than 50% of stores are open, which is crazy for 8pm in an urban city.

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tommyc_37 wrote:
Like many people on here, I prefer a mix of some grit with some trendier stuff. My main beef is with most of the stores shutting so damn early, and pulling down the hideous gates. Walking down Newark Ave at 8pm, you'd never guess that apartments were renting at $2,000 for a 1-BR...it looks kind of rundown.

The last thing I want is for Newark Ave to be full of chain restaurants. I think we should strive for gentrification with some character - maybe like Smith Street in Carroll Gardens?

Speaking of which, what exactly brings such douchiness to Hoboken? Places in Brooklyn that are equally gentrified don't seem to drip with that kind of cheesiness. What makes Hoboken like that? Whatever it is, JC should learn from Hoboken and steer clear of that route.

Grove St. has many stores that close early and have metal gates, too.

WhoElseCouldIBe wrote:
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tommyc_37 wrote:
Like many people on here, I prefer a mix of some grit with some trendier stuff. My main beef is with most of the stores shutting so damn early, and pulling down the hideous gates. Walking down Newark Ave at 8pm, you'd never guess that apartments were renting at $2,000 for a 1-BR...it looks kind of rundown.

The last thing I want is for Newark Ave to be full of chain restaurants. I think we should strive for gentrification with some character - maybe like Smith Street in Carroll Gardens?

Speaking of which, what exactly brings such douchiness to Hoboken? Places in Brooklyn that are equally gentrified don't seem to drip with that kind of cheesiness. What makes Hoboken like that? Whatever it is, JC should learn from Hoboken and steer clear of that route.

Grove St. has many stores that close early and have metal gates, too.

I think we should strive for gentrification with some character - maybe like Smith Street in Carroll Gardens?

tommyc_37 wrote:
Like many people on here, I prefer a mix of some grit with some trendier stuff. My main beef is with most of the stores shutting so damn early, and pulling down the hideous gates. Walking down Newark Ave at 8pm, you'd never guess that apartments were renting at $2,000 for a 1-BR...it looks kind of rundown.

The last thing I want is for Newark Ave to be full of chain restaurants. I think we should strive for gentrification with some character - maybe like Smith Street in Carroll Gardens?

Speaking of which, what exactly brings such douchiness to Hoboken? Places in Brooklyn that are equally gentrified don't seem to drip with that kind of cheesiness. What makes Hoboken like that? Whatever it is, JC should learn from Hoboken and steer clear of that route.

VA2015 wrote:
Quick question: how many people on this thread lived in Jersey City 10 or more years ago?

There was a time when Hamilton Park was sad, neglected, and dangerous. Now that area commands some of the higher rents in downtown.

If you want a place that is 100% gentrified then move to Hoboken or Park Slope. JC is in transition, stop bitching about it, you're the one who moved here voluntarily. Maybe join or form a neighborhood watch or litter patrol or even better, open a business in one of the empty storefronts. Bunch of monday morning quarterbacks on here.

Also I would rather see the empty storefronts filled before we talk about axing existing businesses. Think about it - they close, nothing goes in, that is NOT going to "clean things up." It will move us backwards.

Nori wrote:
You are all a bunch of ignorant sluts

nyrgravey9 wrote: So what stores did you have in mind? Pita Grill? Panera? Maxwells (sarcasm). Any ideas? Quote:

mendezia wrote: Not offended at all. I just have an opinion which happens to differ from yours. They sell garbage you can buy in 20 other stores throughough JC. They don't add anything to the neighborhood, and they are eyesores. I don't group Morlees with this bunch because the store actually cleaned up its act, put up a nice sign, and brings something different to downtown. We don't need a dozen nail salons and bodegas in one block.... Quote:

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nyrgravey9 wrote: I may not frequent the dollar stores, etc., but I agree that all upscale, shiny stores isn't the answer. The last thing I want is for DTJC to become Hoboken. Talk about a town that is so homogenous, uninteresting and lacking character...Hoboken is it!! I, along with many of my JC natives, avoid Hoboken at all costs. Don't let DTJC become another Hoboken!!!!

Yes, because the dollar stores and other shitholes really add some much "character" to the DTJC. >facepalm<

they don't promise character. they promise stuff for a dollar. some people in downtown need or want cheap stuff. sorry if that offends you.

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nyrgravey9 wrote: Precisely. Either Mendezia is from Hoboken and didn't like my comparison, or just clueless. Either way, if dollar stores and a little bit of grime keep DTJC from becoming the Douche mecca that is Hoboken, keep em coming! Quote:

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mendezia wrote: Quote:

nyrgravey9 wrote: I may not frequent the dollar stores, etc., but I agree that all upscale, shiny stores isn't the answer. The last thing I want is for DTJC to become Hoboken. Talk about a town that is so homogenous, uninteresting and lacking character...Hoboken is it!! I, along with many of my JC natives, avoid Hoboken at all costs. Don't let DTJC become another Hoboken!!!!

Yes, because the dollar stores and other shitholes really add some much "character" to the DTJC. >facepalm<

they don't promise character. they promise stuff for a dollar. some people in downtown need or want cheap stuff. sorry if that offends you.

Exactly. This is what I dont get. People are moving here from hoboken and NYC and want to change DTJC so it's more like hoboken or NYC. Why not just go back to where you came from if it's so great. What you people are asking for is exactly what Washington St is. Just go there. Please. Whatever. I'm sure the same conversation will be taking place ten years from now except it will be about all the "cheap" stores on Central ave.

In ten years, these asshats will be complaining about how generic downtown has become, and THEN they'll move to the heights and proceed to bitch about Central Ave.

mendezia wrote:
They sell garbage you can buy in 20 other stores throughough JC. They don't add anything to the neighborhood, and they are eyesores. I don't group Morlees with this bunch because the store actually cleaned up its act, put up a nice sign, and brings something different to downtown. We don't need a dozen nail salons and bodegas in one block....

mendezia wrote: Not offended at all. I just have an opinion which happens to differ from yours. They sell garbage you can buy in 20 other stores throughough JC. They don't add anything to the neighborhood, and they are eyesores. I don't group Morlees with this bunch because the store actually cleaned up its act, put up a nice sign, and brings something different to downtown. We don't need a dozen nail salons and bodegas in one block.... Quote:

I_heart_JC wrote: Quote:

mendezia wrote: Quote:

nyrgravey9 wrote: I may not frequent the dollar stores, etc., but I agree that all upscale, shiny stores isn't the answer. The last thing I want is for DTJC to become Hoboken. Talk about a town that is so homogenous, uninteresting and lacking character...Hoboken is it!! I, along with many of my JC natives, avoid Hoboken at all costs. Don't let DTJC become another Hoboken!!!!

Yes, because the dollar stores and other shitholes really add some much "character" to the DTJC. >facepalm<

they don't promise character. they promise stuff for a dollar. some people in downtown need or want cheap stuff. sorry if that offends you.

MikeyTBC wrote: Quote:

nyrgravey9 wrote: Precisely. Either Mendezia is from Hoboken and didn't like my comparison, or just clueless. Either way, if dollar stores and a little bit of grime keep DTJC from becoming the Douche mecca that is Hoboken, keep em coming! Quote:

I_heart_JC wrote: Quote:

mendezia wrote: Quote:

nyrgravey9 wrote: I may not frequent the dollar stores, etc., but I agree that all upscale, shiny stores isn't the answer. The last thing I want is for DTJC to become Hoboken. Talk about a town that is so homogenous, uninteresting and lacking character...Hoboken is it!! I, along with many of my JC natives, avoid Hoboken at all costs. Don't let DTJC become another Hoboken!!!!

Yes, because the dollar stores and other shitholes really add some much "character" to the DTJC. >facepalm<

they don't promise character. they promise stuff for a dollar. some people in downtown need or want cheap stuff. sorry if that offends you.

Exactly. This is what I dont get. People are moving here from hoboken and NYC and want to change DTJC so it's more like hoboken or NYC. Why not just go back to where you came from if it's so great. What you people are asking for is exactly what Washington St is. Just go there. Please. Whatever. I'm sure the same conversation will be taking place ten years from now except it will be about all the "cheap" stores on Central ave.

I_heart_JC wrote: Quote:

mendezia wrote: Quote:

nyrgravey9 wrote: I may not frequent the dollar stores, etc., but I agree that all upscale, shiny stores isn't the answer. The last thing I want is for DTJC to become Hoboken. Talk about a town that is so homogenous, uninteresting and lacking character...Hoboken is it!! I, along with many of my JC natives, avoid Hoboken at all costs. Don't let DTJC become another Hoboken!!!!

Yes, because the dollar stores and other shitholes really add some much "character" to the DTJC. >facepalm<

they don't promise character. they promise stuff for a dollar. some people in downtown need or want cheap stuff. sorry if that offends you.