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tommyc_37 wrote:
I don't understand people like crushthedemoniac. I'd rather deal with "generic hipsters and yuppies" over "generic crackheads and gangsters" like Downtown JC used to be. If I have to deal with something generic, I'll opt for the generic types that don't mug me, attack me, or break into my car.

Crushthedemoniac, I'm not sure if you are a resident of Downtown JC or not, but neighborhoods change. If you're looking for "old school JC" maybe you should relocate to Greenville, I'm sure that neighborhood still has the vibe that you're looking for.

Tommyc, like Ive stated before , I dont support thug behavior and dont wish Downtown was "ghetto". What I would like is more affordable housing(not low income), and less crap that would make this place look like Williamsburg or something of that nature.

Well that could work in Fantasy Land, but in Real Life Land there is a positive correlation between affordable housing and thug behavior.

Like I said, you should look into Greenville. Bergen-Lafayette maybe? The things you are looking for can be found elsewhere in Jersey City. Nobody is holding a gun to your head to stay Downtown. Neighborhoods change, that's life, dude...

GnomeGeneral wrote:
Of course you do.

Papi are you joking me? How long did you live in the 'Boken? Didn't you ever heard any Spanglish, never buyed some smokes from the Nepalese in his bodega on 2nd & Monroe, bought some pollo at Big Banner? Ah, those were the days.

I was referring specifically to two streets, if you think Downtown/Newark Ave isn't changing more than the other wards in JC, then I'm just gonna close my eye and turn away.

"pockets of diversity" hahaa does that = "projects"?

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Ha ha ha as if none of you remember that Washington Street in 1988 looked just like Newark Ave does today!!

Hobo was a not-terribly diverse town of low rises just over 1 sq mile. & maybe only 40,000 ppl. Historically it was white, german, irish, italian. Etc. Ethnic euros, with a few pockets of diversity.

JC is a very diverse city over 15sq miles, and 250,000 ppl. In the past and now, it's extremely diverse and welcoming to new residents of all backgrounds, except apparenty for white graphic designers. Ha.

For many of my young friends and collagues who rent or own here - Ecuadorian, Filipino, Italian, South Asian, Anglo-British, Puerto Rican, Polish... Etc... JC is great b/c it's not Hoboken. And it won't be. It's the real-life alternative to that homogeneous, absurd town.

And fortunately, many attractive young professional women feel safe here, so it's a viable alternative to hobo.

P.S. Soon to have a bicycle shop downtown (on Grove /Manila), so no need to go to Bayonne or Hobo.

"pockets of diversity" hahaa does that = "projects"?
- Loser

chiefdahill wrote:
If you are white you are either a yuppie or hipster. There is no middle ground... at least that is what I learned from reading jclist.

I read anti yuppie or anti hipster as "go home whitey"

alanwright wrote:
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Ha ha ha as if none of you remember that Washington Street in 1988 looked just like Newark Ave does today!!

Hobo was a not-terribly diverse town of low rises just over 1 sq mile. & maybe only 40,000 ppl. Historically it was white, german, irish, italian. Etc. Ethnic euros, with a few pockets of diversity.

JC is a very diverse city over 15sq miles, and 250,000 ppl. In the past and now, it's extremely diverse and welcoming to new residents of all backgrounds, except apparenty for white graphic designers. Ha.

For many of my young friends and collagues who rent or own here - Ecuadorian, Filipino, Italian, South Asian, Anglo-British, Puerto Rican, Polish... Etc... JC is great b/c it's not Hoboken. And it won't be. It's the real-life alternative to that homogeneous, absurd town.

And fortunately, many attractive young professional women feel safe here, so it's a viable alternative to hobo.

P.S. Soon to have a bicycle shop downtown (on Grove /Manila), so no need to go to Bayonne or Hobo.

Ha ha ha as if none of you remember that Washington Street in 1988 looked just like Newark Ave does today!!

Jeebus wrote:
This thread is very funny and makes me glad to be too old to complain about new neighbors based on their attire or means of making a living. It's not like they are a bunch of gangsters robbing and stealing.

One thing that bears mentioning is that the desire to live somewhere that is both "gritty" and has improved "quality of life" is less likely to happen than my desire to commute across the river in 3 minutes with a jet pack. Grow up.

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[snip]I never wanted it to stay a dump but rather improve the quality of life and keep its gritty charm. [snip]

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[snip]I never wanted it to stay a dump but rather improve the quality of life and keep its gritty charm. [snip]

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I simply would hate to see Downtown and any other area of JC turn into Hoboken or something of that nature.

The ghastly spectre of Hobokenization! That would be a horrible thing. It's a cultural wasteland: a playground for 20yr old college girls and 35 yr old Gordon Gekko wannabees. Some decent restaurants and stores, I guess, but I'm not too sure about even that.

Anyway, I think it's not going to happen. Jersey City is much too big, spread out, diverse, and lived-in (already owner-occupied) to become hobokey. JC wouldn't lose its soul so easily.

But in 10 years... a few pockets could. Newport is already quite boring, so I hope that neighborhood bears the brunt.

chiefdahill wrote:
If you are white you are either a yuppie or hipster. There is no middle ground... at least that is what I learned from reading jclist.

I read anti yuppie or anti hipster as "go home whitey"

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greenville wrote:

Easier said than done. Many people did clean up their neighborhoods, problem was that other people with more money came in and took over their neighborhoods. That helped the housing bubble of the last couple of years which was caused because many of these people who were priced out of their apartments went to buy houses elsewhere so that they wouldn't get kicked to the curb. Pretty soon you will start hearing the degentrification being said a lot. The gentrification of JC and many other NYC metro areas has screeched to a halt since most of these
"yuppies/professionals" were employed by the financial & real estate industries who were helping those people buy homes. Gentrification was a great big Ponzi scheme that was helped by the dot com & housing bubbles, and like those bubbles it has also popped!

I'm going to have to disagree with you on that one. People continue to move to Jersey City. Young people and familes continue to move and stay in cities as they loathe the burbs. Jersey City also has hardly been a bubble compaired to NYC. Prices in Jersey City have not hardly shot up compared to the likes of NYC and have been holding strong in downtown.

You tend to have a chip on your shoulder about yuppies/professionals. I bet a bunch of those so called professionals are teachers, and entry level/operations based white collar individuals who can hardly be classifed as yuppies but since they are white and wear a buton down shirt and slacks to work you pigeon hole them. Get a grip already. A lot of these same people are starting out in life/or don't make too much money ie: teachers, office workers, so they move to where they can afford. Not every so called yuppie or "white person with a job" is loaded for your information.

You can pray for degentrification or "whitey leaving" if it makes you feel better but I'm sorry I just don't see it happening.

greenville wrote:

Easier said than done. Many people did clean up their neighborhoods, problem was that other people with more money came in and took over their neighborhoods. That helped the housing bubble of the last couple of years which was caused because many of these people who were priced out of their apartments went to buy houses elsewhere so that they wouldn't get kicked to the curb. Pretty soon you will start hearing the degentrification being said a lot. The gentrification of JC and many other NYC metro areas has screeched to a halt since most of these
"yuppies/professionals" were employed by the financial & real estate industries who were helping those people buy homes. Gentrification was a great big Ponzi scheme that was helped by the dot com & housing bubbles, and like those bubbles it has also popped!

Willy_Lopez wrote:
i'd like to bitch slap tommyc with with my calloused hands and see if he would survive. where do you fruitcakes come from?

I simply would hate to see Downtown and any other area of JC turn into Hoboken or something of that nature.

Honestly, if people don't want to be priced out of their neighborhood, they have the freedom to get a higher paying job, or go back to school to GET a higher paying job, so that they can afford to stay in their neighborhood that they love. If they're that passionate about the neighborhood, they should be motivated to do whatever it takes to stay. This is a capitalist society...the strong are the ones who survive.

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crushthedemoniac wrote:
Oh and Tommyc, I really dont think most of Harlem is pleased about gentrification and taking it in stride. Its no secret its constantly in the Post and Daily news

Honestly, if people don't want to be priced out of their neighborhood, they have the freedom to get a higher paying job, or go back to school to GET a higher paying job, so that they can afford to stay in their neighborhood that they love. If they're that passionate about the neighborhood, they should be motivated to do whatever it takes to stay. This is a capitalist society...the strong are the ones who survive.