Yvonne wrote:
A number of people are confused by the flyers on the Airbnb. The wording on the ballot is confusing. A no vote is what the signatures were about, it is a removal of the city council ordinance. A yes vote, is to keep the city council ordinance. It is a shame the wording is confusing to voters. I am not an Airbnb renter and have no dog in the fight but I do not like the confusion for voters.

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brewster wrote:
And VVP being elaborately and expensively renovated without including a playground. Good times.

Wow... never knew that happened (I don't use VVP since i am not in the downtown). The playgrounds are one reason I like living in J.C. My kid has 'his gang' that he meets daily at the playground on Ogden ave (Pershing Field gets a bit insane with the crowds). Having playmates at that young of an age was something I missed out on (Gen X baby bust in the burbs... no kids in my neighborhood... or playgrounds).

I take it the VVP planners didn't have kids...

I don't know all the details, but yeah, people who wanted a fancy garden had control, till at some point it all came out, and they had to retrofit in the 2 play areas. There were people in HP who would have gotten rid of the playground and ball courts in the reno if they'd had their way.

I do feel like homeowners who are living on the property and want to rent out a room or a basement, have a vested interest in the place, given they live there. That is different and I get their problem with the ban.

val7101 wrote:

Last, I hate to be a drama queen but that amusing guy could've just as easily been an OD because nobody has any idea who they are renting to.

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You know what else is lost? Party goers coming and going at all hours of the night. The feeling of insecurity you have when strangers are constantly in your building. Having to become the de facto concierge for out of towners. There is a true quality of life issue here.

I don't have a dog in this fight (I don't do AirBnB). My main concern is the creeping micro-management of property owners by the city. I am a cynic who believes politicians are on the whole, bought and paid for. I don't think for a minute "quality of life" was the motivating factor. The city was fine getting millions from AirBnB until someone I suspect from some lobbying group offered $$$ in campaign contributions (or other forms of compensation) to do a 180 and get rid of AirBnB.

So far my only bad run in was a AirBnB guest who blocked the garage I rent, when I needed to take my kid to the emergency room. Other than that, the AirBnB critters are well behaved.

My 'bad experiences' were mostly neighbors (before the neighborhood gentrified) strung out on booze, drugs, etc. creating all sorts of issues. Thankfully most of the bad actors are gone now.*

*One humorous incident when some guy high on who knows what was on all fours, barking at my bushes like a dog. He subsequently passed out on the sidewalk in the pouring rain.

MDM wrote:

I don't have a dog in this fight (I don't do AirBnB). My main concern is the creeping micro-management of property owners by the city. I am a cynic who believes politicians are on the whole, bought and paid for. I don't think for a minute "quality of life" was the motivating factor. The city was fine getting millions from AirBnB until someone I suspect from some lobbying group offered $$$ in campaign contributions (or other forms of compensation) to do a 180 and get rid of AirBnB.

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brewster wrote:
And VVP being elaborately and expensively renovated without including a playground. Good times.

Wow... never knew that happened (I don't use VVP since i am not in the downtown). The playgrounds are one reason I like living in J.C. My kid has 'his gang' that he meets daily at the playground on Ogden ave (Pershing Field gets a bit insane with the crowds). Having playmates at that young of an age was something I missed out on (Gen X baby bust in the burbs... no kids in my neighborhood... or playgrounds).

I take it the VVP planners didn't have kids...

brewster wrote:
And VVP being elaborately and expensively renovated without including a playground. Good times.

MDM wrote:
My 'bad experiences' were mostly neighbors (before the neighborhood gentrified) strung out on booze, drugs, etc. creating all sorts of issues. Thankfully most of the bad actors are gone now.*

val7101 wrote:

You know what else is lost? Party goers coming and going at all hours of the night. The feeling of insecurity you have when strangers are constantly in your building. Having to become the de facto concierge for out of towners. There is a true quality of life issue here.

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The sad thing is that with AirBnB regulated out of existence, rents won't be reduced by much, if at all. As long as multi-family buildings are torn down and replaced with Bayonne boxes, the rent market will continue to face shortages (at least until the next recession).

What will be lost is the revenue paid to the city by AirBnB. Wasn't it around $9mil a year?

You know what else is lost? Party goers coming and going at all hours of the night. The feeling of insecurity you have when strangers are constantly in your building. Having to become the de facto concierge for out of towners. There is a true quality of life issue here.

val7101 wrote:
Also, how have the neighborhood associations hurt you? You seem to be obsessed with them. In my experience (12 years in HP) they haven't shown themselves to be all that powerful.

they?re not taking up peoples precious parking, they?re either using ride share or public transit.

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MDM wrote:
The sad thing is that with AirBnB regulated out of existence, rents won't be reduced by much, if at all. As long as multi-family buildings are torn down and replaced with Bayonne boxes, the rent market will continue to face shortages (at least until the next recession).

What will be lost is the revenue paid to the city by AirBnB. Wasn't it around $9mil a year?

You know what else is lost? Party goers coming and going at all hours of the night. The feeling of insecurity you have when strangers are constantly in your building. Having to become the de facto concierge for out of towners. There is a true quality of life issue here.

What nonsense. Any of the issues complained about here can also occur with long term tenants and owners. Future, Airbnb tourists aren?t putting kids into the school system and draining resources and they?re not taking up peoples precious parking, they?re either using ride share or public transit.

Let?s also not forget that this entire initiative was started by wealthy VVPA NIMBYs that didn?t like seeing people with roller suitcases on their block and feel they should restrict property rights for the entire city based on one incident.

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MDM wrote:
The sad thing is that with AirBnB regulated out of existence, rents won't be reduced by much, if at all. As long as multi-family buildings are torn down and replaced with Bayonne boxes, the rent market will continue to face shortages (at least until the next recession).

What will be lost is the revenue paid to the city by AirBnB. Wasn't it around $9mil a year?

You know what else is lost? Party goers coming and going at all hours of the night. The feeling of insecurity you have when strangers are constantly in your building. Having to become the de facto concierge for out of towners. There is a true quality of life issue here.

MDM wrote:
The sad thing is that with AirBnB regulated out of existence, rents won't be reduced by much, if at all. As long as multi-family buildings are torn down and replaced with Bayonne boxes, the rent market will continue to face shortages (at least until the next recession).

What will be lost is the revenue paid to the city by AirBnB. Wasn't it around $9mil a year?

MDM wrote:
The sad thing is that with AirBnB regulated out of existence, rents won't be reduced by much, if at all. As long as multi-family buildings are torn down and replaced with Bayonne boxes, the rent market will continue to face shortages (at least until the next recession).

What will be lost is the revenue paid to the city by AirBnB. Wasn't it around $9mil a year?

Yvonne wrote:
Airbnb are running commercials on cable tv, so this fight is not over.

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The issue is that if you are living in a building where lots of units are Air Bnb then they need to let you know up front so you can decide if you want to live with that.
If you have a building that's completely AirBnb then it needs to have signage indicating that so once again, people can decide if they want to live there.
I wouldn't live in a building with strangers constantly coming in and out, and neither would a lot of other people.
Second, how do people not see what this does to the housing market? Not to mention neighborhoods.
There is a big difference between people renting their house here and there or even a room, particularly if it's owner occupied.

But, again, this measure is overly aggressive in trying to solve this problem. If I want to spend the Summer away and rent out my unit to a friend, or even a stranger, for the month or two I will be away, I would not be allowed to do so legally, even if I had the consent of my landlord, as I live in a building with 5+ units. Where's the harm in that scenario?