HEY! After much "on-site study", stuck in that area in the mornings, I figured out long ago that the traffic is all screwed up in that area.

Where do I collect my 300K?

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Huh? Is this some sort of existential statement?

Is a resident (and I have to believe it was more than just one) not the public? Who better to demand change?

It seems plausible if the study includes survey and construction plans that would allow the project to be "shovel ready".

It seems high but niether you or I are qualified or educated enough about the subject and this situation to answer that. Unless there is something you are not letting on to.

so you think spending 300k for a study on traffic in 1 area is justified?

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I think you may not be up to speed on proper urban planning. I dont claim to be either, but i can appreciate the value of studying and examining a complex situation.

If you think you have an observational technique, maybe you should submit a proposal for that contract. I am not a civil engineer or urban planner but I would recommend you consider sending out traffic counters to multiple intersections. Have them record the number and type of vehicle traffic aswell as how they navigate the intersection...110 left turning trucks per hour, ect. Dont forget to monitor and document pedestrian traffic, break all this down by time of day and day of week as it varies. Then look at all of the future provisions for commercial and residential property, factor in the estimated traffic from those. Then...

I can START to understand the pricetag of the study...

Would we be better off driving a car through the area for a day or two and breaking ground based off assumptions from this?

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Despite the fact that it is on the other side of the railroad bridge painted "Welcome to HOBOKEN", i am fairly certain that a bit of Newark street there is actually in Jersey City. I dont know how true it is but I have heard that JC and Hoboken have bickered over this area for some time. Hoboken needs an improvement there but since it is actually Jersey City, JC would foot the bill for Hoboken's traffic improvements.

I hope this study doesnt simply point out the obvious...20 lanes of Holland tunnel traffic, 15 or so railroad tracks and a large rock cliff restricts movement between the two cities...

Public policy should be about the public's interest. A resident's complaining is inevitably a selfish interest.

you say loud-mouthed complaining residents like they're a bad thing.

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This is a product of loud mouthed residents complaining about traffic on local streets, which is why public input on public policy is not always a good idea.

Another problem is that Hoboken Avenue needs to connect Jersey City and Hoboken, but at present the light rail tracks are there.

keep in mind this is not 300k to improve traffic woes, but 300k to fund a STUDY that will look at improve traffic.

It's just mind boggling, how about just drive around there for a day or two. It doesnt take a genius to pinpoint the congestion points, muchless a 300k study.

Hoboken hopelessly screwed up that area by closing off all the northbound routes from Observer between Jackson and Park, funneling everyone into those 2 roads no matter where they're going. Trying to make a left from Newark onto Jackson is a game of chicken at high traffic, the light pattern at Grove-Monroe-Newark insures a perfectly steady stream of traffic westbound at Jackson with no gaps. Turning traffic backs up all the way to 18th.

They are already building a pedestrian bridge down on the water front! Do they need to spend 300k to tell themselves that this was a great idea?!!?


Spend the money on actual improvements (like a turn only lane by a&P)

they really need to do something about the intersection next to the A&P complex. People coming from HO-boken making a left there stack traffic back to observer highway

$300G study to relieve traffic woes on Hoboken-Jersey City border

Jersey Journal
Monday March 30, 2009, 5:04 PM

A new study will look for ways to ease vehicle and pedestrian travel in a growing area along the Hoboken and Jersey City border, Hudson County Executive Thomas DeGise and Jersey City Mayor Jerramiah Healy announced today.

"Improving circulation in this area would not only benefit Hoboken and
Jersey City, but the entire region," said DeGise, a member of the North Jersey Transportation Planning Authority Board of Trustees and Chairman of the NJTPA's Planning and Economic Development Committee. "These streets are key routes for people traveling to the region's job centers and commuter hubs, as well as the Hudson River waterfront."

The NJTPA study will be paid for through $240,000 in federal funds provided by an NJTPA grant and $60,000 from a local match. Funding will begin July 1.

The Jersey City/Hoboken Connectivity Study is one of 11 county- and city-led studies slated for funding in the NJTPA's next work program. The NJTPA Board of Trustees endorsed the Fiscal Year 2010-2011 Unified Planning Work Program at its March 23 meeting.

Mayor Healy, who also sits on the NJTPA Board, noted that new solutions
will be needed in order to handle future growth and development.
"We expect to see a lot of residential growth in the area in the years to
come, and we need to make sure our infrastructure properly keeps the
pace," Healy said. "We look forward to seeing the recommendations this
study produces."

The study will focus on a section of the two cities along the Palisades cliffs and Paterson Plank Road/County Route 681, which carries a heavy mix of local and regional traffic.

A series of recommendations will be developed to improve the street
network for drivers, pedestrians and bicyclists. Potential options may
include plans to modify existing streets or construct new rights of
ways. The recommendations will seek to accommodate anticipated future
developments and encourage non-auto travel in the area.

The NJTPA is the metropolitan planning organization (MPO) for 13
northern New Jersey counties. Under federal legislation, MPOs provide a
forum where local officials, public transportation providers and state
agency representatives can come together and cooperatively plan to meet
the region's current and future transportation needs. It establishes
the region's eligibility to receive federal tax dollars for
transportation projects.

The NJTPA Board consists of one local elected official from each of the
13 counties in the region (Bergen, Essex, Hudson, Hunterdon, Middlesex,
Monmouth, Morris, Ocean, Passaic, Somerset, Sussex, Union, and Warren),
and the cities of Newark and Jersey City.

The Board also includes a Governor's representative, the Commissioner of the New Jersey Department of Transportation, the executive directors of NJ Transit and the Port
Authority of New York and New Jersey, and a citizen's representative
appointed by the governor.