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jcdd wrote:
Monroe: in "tony" Millburn, the are also paying 19K in taxes for a house (often large) with a lawn and parking. They also get much nore in the way of services for their taxes. They are not paying 10K for an 800 square foot apartment with no parking.

So relatively speaking, Jc residents are paying more.

They may well be, but that's immaterial (and likely inflated by the traditional JC cost of corruption)-the fact remains that you are being subsidized by suburban households to the tune of about a half a billion dollars a year, every year.

Great deal for JC, lousy deal for the suburban taxpayers. Just be happy you're being subsidized while others help shoulder your burden, adding to their own.

The Abbott decision was recognition that NJ, with a ridiculous number of municipalities, has basically ghettoized it's poor into a handful urban areas, and those areas can not realistically generate the funds to provide education that would not be dramatically substandard to the rest of the state. As difficult as it is to educate urban kids, doing it spending half or less of what the suburbs do is even harder. I know the idea of "the common good" is a tough one for today's conservative, but it's an old idea.

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jcdd wrote:
Monroe: in "tony" Millburn, the are also paying 19K in taxes for a house (often large) with a lawn and parking. They also get much nore in the way of services for their taxes. They are not paying 10K for an 800 square foot apartment with no parking.

So relatively speaking, Jc residents are paying more.

They may well be, but that's immaterial (and likely inflated by the traditional JC cost of corruption)-the fact remains that you are being subsidized by suburban households to the tune of about a half a billion dollars a year, every year.

Great deal for JC, lousy deal for the suburban taxpayers. Just be happy you're being subsidized while others help shoulder your burden, adding to their own.

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JC is 16, 793 per square mile per person or roughly 10411 per kilometer, which is the density of many third world cities.

jcdd wrote:
Monroe: Why do you post on JClist if you live in the suburbs? If you live here part time, why do you do that?

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As for 'affordable housing' there is no civil or God given right to live wherever you choose-you live where you can afford to live.

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Nobody is shouldering my burden. The subsidy is because Cities require more funds in the way of cost of space, and taking care of the poor and immigrants, together with the unique issues that come with those responsibilities. Most immigrants can't afford to live in the fancy suburbs of NJ. Nice deal for the 'burbs, because it keeps the poor out of their neighborhoods- the way they like it. God forbid someone wants to build affordable housing in their neighborhood.

In any event, this is what we do in a civilized, first world country - we take care of our poor and our immigrants. Monroe, just be thankful that you live in a civilized, first world country. If you don't like it, find a country where they don't do that - perhaps Russia or India - where corruption among the elite runs amok and the poor die in the streets.

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So relatively speaking, Jc residents are paying more.

jcdd wrote:
Monroe: in "tony" Millburn, the are also paying 19K in taxes for a house (often large) with a lawn and parking. They also get much nore in the way of services for their taxes. They are not paying 10K for an 800 square foot apartment with no parking.

So relatively speaking, Jc residents are paying more.

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blanquiita wrote:
I'd add an eighth factor: property taxes.

JC property taxes are very inexpensive, due to the Abbott decision that pays for 75% of the cost of educating JC children-about $500,000,000/year. That's a half a billion dollars each and every year.

Consider yourself lucky, suburban taxpayer are covering a lot of JC costs.

Is this a joke? I pay $6500 a year in property tax for a 800sqf 1br apt and that's on the cheap side, 2br is 10k, other highrises are even higher meanwhile the giant mansions in the suburbs also have 10k taxes a year. In the same space where you have two of those houses in the suburbs paying a total of 20-30k in tax, we have 250+ units each paying 6-12k in tax.

Not sure what planet you are from if you think JC taxes are lower than suburbs.

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Alex Napoliello/NJ.com

Jersey City is the fifth most stressed out city in the county while Newark is ranked No. 8, according to a report from real estate blog Movoto.

Both cities are less stressed than nearby New York City (2) but have a higher stress level than Philadelphia (9) and Los Angeles (10).

The real estate blog determined its rankings by looking at seven factors: commute time, unemployment, cost of living, crime per 100,000 residents, hours worked, population density and percentage of income spent on rent.

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I'd add an eighth factor: property taxes.

JC property taxes are very inexpensive, due to the Abbott decision that pays for 75% of the cost of educating JC children-about $500,000,000/year. That's a half a billion dollars each and every year.

Consider yourself lucky, suburban taxpayer are covering a lot of JC costs.

Is this a joke? I pay $6500 a year in property tax for a 800sqf 1br apt and that's on the cheap side, 2br is 10k, other highrises are even higher meanwhile the giant mansions in the suburbs also have 10k taxes a year. In the same space where you have two of those houses in the suburbs paying a total of 20-30k in tax, we have 250+ units each paying 6-12k in tax.

Not sure what planet you are from if you think JC taxes are lower than suburbs.

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blanquiita wrote:
I'd add an eighth factor: property taxes.

JC property taxes are very inexpensive, due to the Abbott decision that pays for 75% of the cost of educating JC children-about $500,000,000/year. That's a half a billion dollars each and every year.

Consider yourself lucky, suburban taxpayer are covering a lot of JC costs.

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I'd add an eighth factor: property taxes.